Should Pentecostal claims of the miraculous be lumped together with the claims of other religious groups? Are we to accept such claims as true simply because we align ourselves to their theology? Does the Holy Spirit work miracles through Mormon prophets and Catholic saints and does this validate their message?
Are the Mormons & Catholic claims of miracles just as valid as the Pentecostal claims?
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If the Gospel is falsified and if Bible truth is corrupted, miracles do not support the teachings of any religious group. There are counterfeit and Satanic miracles.
To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:20)
To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:20)
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Should Pentecostal claims of the miraculous be lumped together with the claims of other religious groups? Are we to accept such claims as true simply because we align ourselves to their theology? Does the Holy Spirit work miracles through Mormon prophets and Catholic saints and does this validate their message?
False Prophets do miracles so God can test us
Should Pentecostal claims of the miraculous be lumped together with the claims of other religious groups? Are we to accept such claims as true simply because we align ourselves to their theology? Does the Holy Spirit work miracles through Mormon prophets and Catholic saints and does this validate their message?
You see it all comes back to what are these people preaching? What's their message? Is it in alignment with the Word of God or is it in conflict with the Word of God?
The Bible gives clear warning that in the end times people will be doing ""lying signs and wonders"" and will deceive those given over to delusion.. So in this age we Christians should not be moved either way by demonstrations of miracles.. Sit back and wait to hear what they are actually preaching in their sermons.. Is it in alignment with the Bible?? or not??
Scripture:: in context..
2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, {2} That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. {3} Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. {5} Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? {6} And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. {7} For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. {8} And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: {9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
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No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.
No person says Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Peter claimed Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and Jesus said flesh and blood did not reveal that to him but the Father.
The Bible says that God was manifest in the flesh so Jesus is God, not a created God for God said there was no God formed before Him, and there shall be no God formed after Him.
God does not give His glory to another so all worship, and praise, and reverence go to God.
We have to have faith when we first believe that Jesus is the Savior, and confess that Jesus is Lord.
We have to repent of our sins, turn from sins, and want to live like Christ.
We have to believe the Gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and that His blood washes away our sins.
We have to believe we can receive God's Spirit to give us power to overcome the flesh and live like Christ, for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit and not the flesh.
So if a person hates sin, and does not want sin, then by the Spirit they can abstain from sin, and if they sin to repent and keep moving forward not wanting sin.
But some have a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof, which they do not go on to receive the Spirit after they confess Christ.
If a Church is in violation of God's word of the basics of salvation and the holiness of Jesus, which God said be ye holy for I am holy, that would deny the Spirit to work among them then there would be no miracles being done among them.
And I believe TV evangelists are lying about their miracles and a set up.
God can work among people that fall short of the truth that causes the Spirit to work among them to get them to come to the truth when God called them, but they cannot be in violation of God's word when it comes to reverence to Him, the basics of salvation which allows for them to be saved, and not going by the holiness of Jesus wanting to be Christlike, for then they would not receive the Spirit for salvation, and to give them power to overcome the flesh, which then no miracles could be done among them.
For the Spirit would not work through people that fall short of the truth, or have perverted doctrines that take away the importance of the Bible in key areas, that is a necessity that we have that truth, for then it would testify that their religion is true for people would think if miracles are done through them then their religion must be true for God would approve of their beliefs.
Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers which is bad mistake for Jesus is God, and Satan is a fallen angel, so Jesus is way greater than Satan.
Mormons claim that total apostasy overcame the church following apostolic times, and that the Mormon Church (founded 1830) is the "restored church", which is ridiculous for God always has people in the truth through the Church history, and when Elijah said to God that Israel is disobedient to the truth and got rid of the prophets God said that there is 7000 people that follow Him in the truth.
So the Mormons are saying no one had the truth from apostolic times until them which is wrong, especially when God is in the people saving business, and His Spirit working in the world, and any Church that springs up that is a newer church whose beliefs stray from the truth in the Bible would be saying the same thing.
Mormons claim that God the Father was once a man and that he then progressed to godhood (that is, he is a now-exalted, immortal man with a flesh-and-bone body).
He did not “progress” toward godhood, but has always been God, which they think they are progressing towards godhood also.
Which the new age movement the worse misinterpretation of the Bible believe they are progressing towards godhood by the process of evolution, so it makes you think is the Mormon Church only to get them to think that way but a lighter version, like the inner circle of the occult puts out an outer circle that is a lighter version to get people to believe in the occult, and to produce a people that lust for power more through nature that they can lead to a new system.
Believe that Jesus was the first born child of a heavenly father and mother then progressed to deity in the spirit world.
There is more untruths but that is enough to show the Spirit cannot be working among them because of what they believe and that is not compatible with what a person must believe for the Spirit to be operating in their life because they are not honoring Jesus like they should, and not reverencing God like they should.
The Roman Catholic Church has many errors and a lot come from their works that has nothing to do with salvation, and putting tradition as equal to the word of God.
Reverence Mary calling her the Queen of heaven, and the mother of God, exalting the Pope as head of the Church, and calling him holy father.
Which Jesus said anybody that does the will of God the same is His mother, brethren, and sisters, and anybody that hears the word of God and does it as blessed as Mary, so Jesus put Mary on the same equal level as the saints and not greater, which Jesus said born of women John the Baptist was the greatest.
And Jesus said call no man on earth father in a spiritual sense for God is your Father, which the Pope and the priests claim to be operating in a spiritual sense in the church, so we do not call them father.
And Christ is the head of the Church not the Pope.
Using physical objects and believing power comes from them like crucifixes, holy water, and the rosary as they chant hail Mary which is a serious error.
Confessing their sins to a priest when the man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and men.
Which they have more untruths but that is enough to show the Spirit cannot work among them if they hold unto those beliefs for God does give His glory to another and they cannot exalt Mary and the Pope like that, and put tradition equal to the word of God for everything God wants us to know is already in the Bible.
The Spirit will not work among a church that is not compatible with the beliefs they should have, and practices they should have, because for them to do miracles would testify that God is working among them, and that He approves of what they do and believe.
As far as Pentecostal not all operate the same for my brother went to a Pentecostal Church and I went to Church with him, and everything was done decently and in order, and the preaching seem compatible to the word of God, which they sang, and worshipped God, they proclaimed the holiness of Jesus and to be Christlike led by the Spirit, but there was not any of the things that people usually associate with a Pentecostal Church that they think is out of order.
But not all claims of miracles by the different Pentecostal Churches could actually be real, and there is preachers that may deceive with any denomination, but Pentecostal claim miracles where some denominations may not.
If people are abiding enough by the truth that does not hinder reverence to God, salvation, and receiving the Spirit, and the holiness of Jesus, then the Spirit should operate among them for God would want people to know that He approves of what they teach.
But not all Pentecostal Churches may be the same the same as they say there are different Baptist Churches that believe a little different.
But it appears as if Southern Baptists is more stricter in holiness than a standard baptist Church.
So all Pentecostal Churches might not be the same like the different Baptist Churches.
Which I went to a Baptist Church with my uncle and it did not seem weird to me, but I was young and do not remember what was preached, and did not know the Bible that well except there was a God, and Jesus can save me from my sins.
The Mormons and Catholics have too many beliefs that are not compatible with the word of God, and serious errors for them to do miracles.
Jehovah's witnesses deny that Jesus is God.
Have faith, confess Jesus as Savior, and He is Lord, and God manifest in the flesh, believe in the Gospel, repent of your sins and turn from them, allow the Spirit to lead you to be Christlike, be humble and give all glory to God and not glory to a person or yourself, and the Spirit should be working among you.
So is there miracles today or not, which I know the miracle of healing surely could not of passed away, but there is so many Churches not preaching the truth, and so much hypocrisy among many of those that claim Christ, and a lack of faith that many miracles of healing may not be done.
No person says Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Peter claimed Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and Jesus said flesh and blood did not reveal that to him but the Father.
The Bible says that God was manifest in the flesh so Jesus is God, not a created God for God said there was no God formed before Him, and there shall be no God formed after Him.
God does not give His glory to another so all worship, and praise, and reverence go to God.
We have to have faith when we first believe that Jesus is the Savior, and confess that Jesus is Lord.
We have to repent of our sins, turn from sins, and want to live like Christ.
We have to believe the Gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and that His blood washes away our sins.
We have to believe we can receive God's Spirit to give us power to overcome the flesh and live like Christ, for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit and not the flesh.
So if a person hates sin, and does not want sin, then by the Spirit they can abstain from sin, and if they sin to repent and keep moving forward not wanting sin.
But some have a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof, which they do not go on to receive the Spirit after they confess Christ.
If a Church is in violation of God's word of the basics of salvation and the holiness of Jesus, which God said be ye holy for I am holy, that would deny the Spirit to work among them then there would be no miracles being done among them.
And I believe TV evangelists are lying about their miracles and a set up.
God can work among people that fall short of the truth that causes the Spirit to work among them to get them to come to the truth when God called them, but they cannot be in violation of God's word when it comes to reverence to Him, the basics of salvation which allows for them to be saved, and not going by the holiness of Jesus wanting to be Christlike, for then they would not receive the Spirit for salvation, and to give them power to overcome the flesh, which then no miracles could be done among them.
For the Spirit would not work through people that fall short of the truth, or have perverted doctrines that take away the importance of the Bible in key areas, that is a necessity that we have that truth, for then it would testify that their religion is true for people would think if miracles are done through them then their religion must be true for God would approve of their beliefs.
Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers which is bad mistake for Jesus is God, and Satan is a fallen angel, so Jesus is way greater than Satan.
Mormons claim that total apostasy overcame the church following apostolic times, and that the Mormon Church (founded 1830) is the "restored church", which is ridiculous for God always has people in the truth through the Church history, and when Elijah said to God that Israel is disobedient to the truth and got rid of the prophets God said that there is 7000 people that follow Him in the truth.
So the Mormons are saying no one had the truth from apostolic times until them which is wrong, especially when God is in the people saving business, and His Spirit working in the world, and any Church that springs up that is a newer church whose beliefs stray from the truth in the Bible would be saying the same thing.
Mormons claim that God the Father was once a man and that he then progressed to godhood (that is, he is a now-exalted, immortal man with a flesh-and-bone body).
He did not “progress” toward godhood, but has always been God, which they think they are progressing towards godhood also.
Which the new age movement the worse misinterpretation of the Bible believe they are progressing towards godhood by the process of evolution, so it makes you think is the Mormon Church only to get them to think that way but a lighter version, like the inner circle of the occult puts out an outer circle that is a lighter version to get people to believe in the occult, and to produce a people that lust for power more through nature that they can lead to a new system.
Believe that Jesus was the first born child of a heavenly father and mother then progressed to deity in the spirit world.
There is more untruths but that is enough to show the Spirit cannot be working among them because of what they believe and that is not compatible with what a person must believe for the Spirit to be operating in their life because they are not honoring Jesus like they should, and not reverencing God like they should.
The Roman Catholic Church has many errors and a lot come from their works that has nothing to do with salvation, and putting tradition as equal to the word of God.
Reverence Mary calling her the Queen of heaven, and the mother of God, exalting the Pope as head of the Church, and calling him holy father.
Which Jesus said anybody that does the will of God the same is His mother, brethren, and sisters, and anybody that hears the word of God and does it as blessed as Mary, so Jesus put Mary on the same equal level as the saints and not greater, which Jesus said born of women John the Baptist was the greatest.
And Jesus said call no man on earth father in a spiritual sense for God is your Father, which the Pope and the priests claim to be operating in a spiritual sense in the church, so we do not call them father.
And Christ is the head of the Church not the Pope.
Using physical objects and believing power comes from them like crucifixes, holy water, and the rosary as they chant hail Mary which is a serious error.
Confessing their sins to a priest when the man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and men.
Which they have more untruths but that is enough to show the Spirit cannot work among them if they hold unto those beliefs for God does give His glory to another and they cannot exalt Mary and the Pope like that, and put tradition equal to the word of God for everything God wants us to know is already in the Bible.
The Spirit will not work among a church that is not compatible with the beliefs they should have, and practices they should have, because for them to do miracles would testify that God is working among them, and that He approves of what they do and believe.
As far as Pentecostal not all operate the same for my brother went to a Pentecostal Church and I went to Church with him, and everything was done decently and in order, and the preaching seem compatible to the word of God, which they sang, and worshipped God, they proclaimed the holiness of Jesus and to be Christlike led by the Spirit, but there was not any of the things that people usually associate with a Pentecostal Church that they think is out of order.
But not all claims of miracles by the different Pentecostal Churches could actually be real, and there is preachers that may deceive with any denomination, but Pentecostal claim miracles where some denominations may not.
If people are abiding enough by the truth that does not hinder reverence to God, salvation, and receiving the Spirit, and the holiness of Jesus, then the Spirit should operate among them for God would want people to know that He approves of what they teach.
But not all Pentecostal Churches may be the same the same as they say there are different Baptist Churches that believe a little different.
But it appears as if Southern Baptists is more stricter in holiness than a standard baptist Church.
So all Pentecostal Churches might not be the same like the different Baptist Churches.
Which I went to a Baptist Church with my uncle and it did not seem weird to me, but I was young and do not remember what was preached, and did not know the Bible that well except there was a God, and Jesus can save me from my sins.
The Mormons and Catholics have too many beliefs that are not compatible with the word of God, and serious errors for them to do miracles.
Jehovah's witnesses deny that Jesus is God.
Have faith, confess Jesus as Savior, and He is Lord, and God manifest in the flesh, believe in the Gospel, repent of your sins and turn from them, allow the Spirit to lead you to be Christlike, be humble and give all glory to God and not glory to a person or yourself, and the Spirit should be working among you.
So is there miracles today or not, which I know the miracle of healing surely could not of passed away, but there is so many Churches not preaching the truth, and so much hypocrisy among many of those that claim Christ, and a lack of faith that many miracles of healing may not be done.
The question is by no means irrelevant. It addresses the issue of how we respond to the claims of the miraculous not the origin of the claimed miracles. This thread focuses on how we react to simple claims of physical supernatural powers or events. Jesus did not claim the miraculous, He simply did the miraculous.
The following is very important for all of us to understand. When Jesus' authority and validity were questioned, He was not shy to respond. The Apostles were not inspired by the claims of physical supernatural manifestations but the manifestations themselves.
Matthew 9:1-8 Jesus telling the crowd which is easier to claim a man to be forgiven or to heal to heal him. Jesus visually healed him to show His validity.
Matthew 12:10-13 Jesus visually healing the crippled hand for the purpose of proving His authority.
John 20:24-29 Jesus visually proving to Thomas that He was alive and to stop doubting.
Luke 7:19-22 Jesus telling the disciples of John the Baptist to remember the miracles you have seen and heard.
Again, the issue of the thread is simple. Should all claims of physical supernatural manifestations be treated the same regardless of there origin and seen as just claims and not actual miracles.
BTW your verse is not about claims but actual "power and signs and lying wonders".
The following is very important for all of us to understand. When Jesus' authority and validity were questioned, He was not shy to respond. The Apostles were not inspired by the claims of physical supernatural manifestations but the manifestations themselves.
Matthew 9:1-8 Jesus telling the crowd which is easier to claim a man to be forgiven or to heal to heal him. Jesus visually healed him to show His validity.
Matthew 12:10-13 Jesus visually healing the crippled hand for the purpose of proving His authority.
John 20:24-29 Jesus visually proving to Thomas that He was alive and to stop doubting.
Luke 7:19-22 Jesus telling the disciples of John the Baptist to remember the miracles you have seen and heard.
Again, the issue of the thread is simple. Should all claims of physical supernatural manifestations be treated the same regardless of there origin and seen as just claims and not actual miracles.
BTW your verse is not about claims but actual "power and signs and lying wonders".
"If the Gospel is falsified and if Bible truth is corrupted, miracles do not support the teachings of any religious group. There are counterfeit and Satanic miracles."
You are putting the cart before the horse. The thread is about claims of supernatural physical manifestations not actual miracles themselves. Before we address the motives of the "miracle worker" should we not first ask if a miracle even happened? If I was told I won the Powerball lottery I would not run out and buy a new car but I would validate the claim first then consider what to do with the money.
You are putting the cart before the horse. The thread is about claims of supernatural physical manifestations not actual miracles themselves. Before we address the motives of the "miracle worker" should we not first ask if a miracle even happened? If I was told I won the Powerball lottery I would not run out and buy a new car but I would validate the claim first then consider what to do with the money.
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You make a valid point but your verse is about actual miracles ("The miracle or sign might even happen").
Jesus expected people to take Him seriously not because of His claims about Himself but the validity of His miracles.
John 5:36, John 10:25, John 14:10-11 just to name a few.
Again, should we accept claims by Pentecostals as anything more than ipse dixit?
Jesus expected people to take Him seriously not because of His claims about Himself but the validity of His miracles.
John 5:36, John 10:25, John 14:10-11 just to name a few.
Again, should we accept claims by Pentecostals as anything more than ipse dixit?
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The above makes no sence to me.. My reply was not about Claims of supernatural events.. The answer i gave was how to respond to actual supernatural events.
Yes and No.. The miracle was backing for jesus claim that He had the Authority to forgive sins.. But later Jesus was accused of doing His miracles by the power of demons.. So actual miracles do not prove someone has the backing of God it only proves that they are backed by spiritual entities..
Yes this was very strong evidence that Jesus was alive.. But again people will claim that Jesus did not die on the cross and that when he was laid in the tomb he was in a coma and he recovered 3 days later..
Yep..
A claim is just a claim.. To me no manifestation has taken place until it is confirmed to me that it did happen.. But it is to me irrelevant because of the position i posted in the first reply.. Miracles do not prove that the person is doing them by the power of God..
Yes and No.. The miracle was backing for jesus claim that He had the Authority to forgive sins.. But later Jesus was accused of doing His miracles by the power of demons.. So actual miracles do not prove someone has the backing of God it only proves that they are backed by spiritual entities..
Yes this was very strong evidence that Jesus was alive.. But again people will claim that Jesus did not die on the cross and that when he was laid in the tomb he was in a coma and he recovered 3 days later..
Yep..
A claim is just a claim.. To me no manifestation has taken place until it is confirmed to me that it did happen.. But it is to me irrelevant because of the position i posted in the first reply.. Miracles do not prove that the person is doing them by the power of God..
You know in Jesus day they would say He made them sick to heal them. Now.. Satan sorry.. but does not go around healing anyone. The word is clear..ALL good things come from God. Theres coming a day that we will not be there.. when Christ gathers the nations and splits them. One group Christ says "I never knew you". Clear they were never saved. What I want you to see is.. what did they do in His name?
See His name... always WORKS! The person upfront might be fake of false.. but that NAME! That POWER of God is still real. The power is in the one that name belongs to. Gods not some light switch we turn off and on. He is ALWAYS on. And His mercy, grace, compassion.. hello! Not the person but God doing it? How about Peter and John? After that man was healed they said "why look at us as if we did this by our own power. Its FAITH in that name!" So be it any group you can think of.. person coming.. believes in Jesus... has faith in that name.. you will see the power of God. I believe
See His name... always WORKS! The person upfront might be fake of false.. but that NAME! That POWER of God is still real. The power is in the one that name belongs to. Gods not some light switch we turn off and on. He is ALWAYS on. And His mercy, grace, compassion.. hello! Not the person but God doing it? How about Peter and John? After that man was healed they said "why look at us as if we did this by our own power. Its FAITH in that name!" So be it any group you can think of.. person coming.. believes in Jesus... has faith in that name.. you will see the power of God. I believe
Again i do not need to nor do i feel any pressure from God to make a judgement upon a supposed manifestation / miracle.. All i need do is take close notice on what they organization or preacher teaches in regard to God and His will..
I don't believe the Holy Spirit supports the catholic church.. The only moving the Holy Spirit would be doing with catholics is to call them to get out of that spiritual harlot of a religion.. Same goes for Mormons who are even further from the truth of the LORD Jesus Christ then the catholics are..
I don't believe the Holy Spirit supports the catholic church.. The only moving the Holy Spirit would be doing with catholics is to call them to get out of that spiritual harlot of a religion.. Same goes for Mormons who are even further from the truth of the LORD Jesus Christ then the catholics are..
So a pastor in a church performing healing has nothing to do with that church?
So when Benny Hinn performs a sign in his Benny Hinn ministries it has nothing to do with Benny Hinn ministries??? Does not compute...
The problem is not a problem if you pay no regard to signs.. But pay all regard to what doctrines are being taught.. This is the third post when i have said this..
So when Benny Hinn performs a sign in his Benny Hinn ministries it has nothing to do with Benny Hinn ministries??? Does not compute...
The problem is not a problem if you pay no regard to signs.. But pay all regard to what doctrines are being taught.. This is the third post when i have said this..
Benny is neither catholic or Mormon.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
I'm certain that everyone is going to ask for the doctrinal statement for every assembly they go into.
The little ones are damaged when falsehoods are taught as truth. Jesus warned about doing such to the innocent.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
I'm certain that everyone is going to ask for the doctrinal statement for every assembly they go into.
The little ones are damaged when falsehoods are taught as truth. Jesus warned about doing such to the innocent.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Did i ever state that false signs only happen in catholic or mormon places of worship?? No i never made such a statement..
PS: i went to catholic churches for the first 17 years of my life.. I never saw a sign performed in any of them.. Not sure what happens in mormon temples ?
You would be surprised how many people don't.. And even if they do most of them have not even read a Bible so many people will just go in assuming that what ever is being preached must be what Christianity is.. There are millions of people like that..
I agree..
PS: i went to catholic churches for the first 17 years of my life.. I never saw a sign performed in any of them.. Not sure what happens in mormon temples ?
You would be surprised how many people don't.. And even if they do most of them have not even read a Bible so many people will just go in assuming that what ever is being preached must be what Christianity is.. There are millions of people like that..
I agree..
Should Pentecostal claims of the miraculous be lumped together with the claims of other religious groups? Are we to accept such claims as true simply because we align ourselves to their theology? Does the Holy Spirit work miracles through Mormon prophets and Catholic saints and does this validate their message?
I don't align myself with a significant percentage of charismatics. Some may be sound, but a significant portion are not.
And, these matters go beyond simple disagreements into the arena of demonic manifestations.
I believe both of these groups are largely operating with a "different spirit".
This is a good video on the topic, which exposes some of the creepy things that are going on with a significant portion of charismatics:
My wife was catholic from a child. They do create an atmosphere that is open to all kinds of spooky stuff. They have endorsed bleeding and crying statues all over the world. Veneration of stuff is a big part of Catholicism.
Many millions I'm certain and I'm being a little sarcastic because the truth is heartbreaking.
No argument.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Many millions I'm certain and I'm being a little sarcastic because the truth is heartbreaking.
No argument.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes that's true.. When i stated my position i was thinking about the kind of miracles that happened in the Bible.. Like healings and casting out of demons and speaking in tongues.. So i was not thinking about bleeding and crying statues.. I am sure having read the Bible that there where no crying or bleeding statues in the Bible.. But maybe someone has some scripture to show me an example? Always open to correction if i am wrong 
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Yes that's true.. When i stated my position i was thinking about the kind of miracles that happened in the Bible.. Like healings and casting out of demons and speaking in tongues.. So i was not thinking about bleeding and crying statues.. I am sure having read the Bible that there where no crying or bleeding statues in the Bible.. But maybe someone has some scripture to show me an example? Always open to correction if i am wrong ..
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However Orthodox believers claim the same thing.
I have a friend who was raised in Egyptian Orthodoxy or Coptic religion. He showed me a video where some priest strips down to a simple robe and goes into a cathedral that supposedly has nothing in it. He comes out with a lit candled which is then circulated around the crowd lighting their candles.
His claim is that God provides the lit candle. However, I'm positive that somewhere a lighter is hidden
Only simpletons would believe that, but at the same time, the world is full of simpletons, and some are in the USA too. I won't name names