Are they a wolf in sheeps clothes?

[know1]

This is nice but I think you are confused.
If you by faith say it and believe it that you need a pink Cadillac. Will you get one?

First off, I would NEVER EVER ask for a pink Cadillac, to start with, not for myself anyway, but if for some dumb reason I wanted such a thing, then YES, ABSOLUTELY, I would get what I confessed in faith, because God cannot not do what He promised to do.
However, there are things that could prevent me from receiving.
Some of which I will mention below.

What happens when you believe and speak for healing and the healing doesn't come?

The same as I did repeatedly in the past... Do what Jesus said.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then...
Joh 8:32 ...ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

So I continue until I get the healing.
One of the biggest reasons why many don't get their healing is because they let the seed of Jesus' work of healing, "by whose stripes ye were healed", die, and so they stop believing, or quit and fall away.
Do you know how many times I got my healing of sicknesses, only for the same sickness to come back, causing me to doubt, quit believing I was healed and fell away, thereby causing me to fail to receive my healing again?
MANY many times in the past.
But I would seek God each time, and learn, then go at it again, and again, and again!!!
Until I get that which I desired, according to that which is written.
That being, my healing or that of loved ones.

Luk 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily...

Luk 11:8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.
Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, [therefore] Ask [in like manner or with the same insistence], and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Luk 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Healing is a good thing.
And if one doesn't get their healing, it is most likely because of their lack of faith and/or unconfessed sin.

There is a large connection to the spiritual meaning of those scriptures and the will of God. Also the literary understanding is always important. When Jesus says he is the door, do you believe Jesus is a literal door?

Let's focus on the scripture itself, instead of digressing about Jesus being a literal door or not, shall we?
First off, Jesus start Mk 11:23 by saying, "For verily or truly I say unto you".
Which is to say, 'this statement is true AS IS'.
For you or anyone to ADD "the will of God" to this verse is to take it out of context, and both TWIST AND PERVERT a guaranteed promise and law, to nothing more than a flimsy, weak, maybe, if by chance, kind of nothing statement.
NO ONE can have ANY FAITH in God to do anything for them, with that kind of HOPE AND PRAY garbage, while WISHING AND WONDERING what God will do.
There is absolutely NO GUARANTEE OR ASSURANCE God will do anything for you.
Now let's take the same part of verse 1Jn 5:14 out of again and use it on a similar promise, and let's see what it does to it.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, [AND IF IT BE THE WILL OF GOD,] he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life[IF IT BE THE WILL OF GOD].

Try getting someone to have confidence in promises like that.
Because after all, neither you nor the person desiring to enter the kingdom of God knows if it is God's will for that person to enter in.
They might be the wolf in sheep's clothing.
For God said, "Not everyone who calls me Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven".
If you are going to take a scripture out of context and inject it into another verse, supposedly true as is, then you have done the same as I did to the two verses above concerning salvation.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

 

[know1]

First off, I would NEVER EVER ask for a pink Cadillac, to start with, not for myself anyway, but if for some dumb reason I wanted such a thing, then YES, ABSOLUTELY, I would get what I confessed in faith, because God cannot not do what He promised to do.
However, there are things that could prevent me from receiving.
Some of which I will mention below.


The same as I did repeatedly in the past... Do what Jesus said.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then...
Joh 8:32 ...ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

So I continue until I get the healing.
One of the biggest reasons why many don't get their healing is because they let the seed of Jesus' work of healing, "by whose stripes ye were healed", die, and so they stop believing, or quit and fall away.
Do you know how many times I got my healing of sicknesses, only for the same sickness to come back, causing me to doubt, quit believing I was healed and fell away, thereby causing me to fail to receive my healing again?
MANY many times in the past.
But I would seek God each time, and learn, then go at it again, and again, and again!!!
Until I get that which I desired, according to that which is written.
That being, my healing or that of loved ones.

Luk 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily...

Luk 11:8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.
Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, [therefore] Ask [in like manner or with the same insistence], and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Luk 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Healing is a good thing.
And if one doesn't get their healing, it is most likely because of their lack of faith and/or unconfessed sin.


Let's focus on the scripture itself, instead of digressing about Jesus being a literal door or not, shall we?
First off, Jesus start Mk 11:23 by saying, "For verily or truly I say unto you".
Which is to say, 'this statement is true AS IS'.
For you or anyone to ADD "the will of God" to this verse is to take it out of context, and both TWIST AND PERVERT a guaranteed promise and law, to nothing more than a flimsy, weak, maybe, if by chance, kind of nothing statement.
NO ONE can have ANY FAITH in God to do anything for them, with that kind of HOPE AND PRAY garbage, while WISHING AND WONDERING what God will do.
There is absolutely NO GUARANTEE OR ASSURANCE God will do anything for you.
Now let's take the same part of verse 1Jn 5:14 out of again and use it on a similar promise, and let's see what it does to it.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, [AND IF IT BE THE WILL OF GOD,] he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life[IF IT BE THE WILL OF GOD].

Try getting someone to have confidence in promises like that.
Because after all, neither you nor the person desiring to enter the kingdom of God knows if it is God's will for that person to enter in.
They might be the wolf in sheep's clothing.
For God said, "Not everyone who calls me Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven".
If you are going to take a scripture out of context and inject it into another verse, supposedly true as is, then you have done the same as I did to the two verses above concerning salvation.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

Do you believe the mountain or tree was to mean a literal mountain or tree?

If Jesus killed a literal tree, with His word, which was with power, then YES, it definitely can be a literal mountain or tree for us as well.
As well as anything else, because the basic law applies to everything.
Again, you focused on the object and not the word of God and the law of faith, or the solution.
You are focusing on the natural and not the spiritual word of God.
Paul calls that a "carnally minded" person.

Or does the context explain what the mountain or tree was?

More importantly, the verse explain what FAITH IS!
Of which, you are missing.
You keep IGNORING the rest of the words.
Are they meaningless.
Is it because you CAN'T believe what is written after all?
That is exactly what your problem is.
You either refuse to believe the promises of God, or are UNABLE to, outside those dealing with salvation.

A glimpse at God's will as Paul was dealing with some prosperity teachers in his day.

1 Timothy 6:3-5 New International Version (NIV)
3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

That version is not accurate.

1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Here we go again.
The same old thing of gimme money, riches, and great wealth, to those who believe in word of faith.
It's called word of faith, NOT word of money, riches, and wealth.
Again, we were talking about word of faith, any like so many others, you digressed off from the word of God and try to move the focus to what you see as corruption.
There is a difference between thinking godliness is a means of getting you gain and that gain is godliness.
One way says, I will get gain if I get godly, and the other says, I am godly if I have gain.
The fact is, many of the Jews believed gain or wealth was godliness, because they believed it was God doing the blessing.
Even the disciples marveled at Jesus' statement.

Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

Why were they so astonished?
Because they thought the rich were godly people as well.

 

[know1]

If Jesus killed a literal tree, with His word, which was with power, then YES, it definitely can be a literal mountain or tree for us as well.
As well as anything else, because the basic law applies to everything.
Again, you focused on the object and not the word of God and the law of faith, or the solution.
You are focusing on the natural and not the spiritual word of God.
Paul calls that a "carnally minded" person.


More importantly, the verse explain what FAITH IS!
Of which, you are missing.
You keep IGNORING the rest of the words.
Are they meaningless.
Is it because you CAN'T believe what is written after all?
That is exactly what your problem is.
You either refuse to believe the promises of God, or are UNABLE to, outside those dealing with salvation.



That version is not accurate.

1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Here we go again.
The same old thing of gimme money, riches, and great wealth, to those who believe in word of faith.
It's called word of faith, NOT word of money, riches, and wealth.
Again, we were talking about word of faith, any like so many others, you digressed off from the word of God and try to move the focus to what you see as corruption.
There is a difference between thinking godliness is a means of getting you gain and that gain is godliness.
One way says, I will get gain if I get godly, and the other says, I am godly if I have gain.
The fact is, many of the Jews believed gain or wealth was godliness, because they believed it was God doing the blessing.
Even the disciples marveled at Jesus' statement.

Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

Why were they so astonished?
Because they thought the rich were godly people as well.

I will conclude this because I am curious to what you believe involves word faith? I have nothing against reminding God of his promises as long as they relate to me. The Word did create the universe. But me speaking God's word to create universes isnt going to happen.

If you can't even get healed from a simple sickness, why would you even suggest creating a universe?
Of course it ain't gonna happen.
Babies don't create, they only eat and poop.
Right now I think you are doing more pooping than eating because most of what you are saying stinks.

God doesn't promise us anything we ask. But in context it has to be within the character of God and the will.

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar

You say God won't give us what we ask for, but His word says otherwise.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you...

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

That's just a few that proves your statement to be a blatant lie and not the truth, and I could go on.
Why can't you take your focus off the natural and direct it at the promises of God like you do with salvation?

My question is. What do you in your life speak to God to give you or do for you? Give some examples. Each example needs a scripture to justify your asking.

Where do I start and how much time to you have?!
I don't see you giving any example of God answering your prayers of so-called faith.
But I will give you some.
But first, I must say, I don't as so much as I command or decree.
Most things that are not of God, I reject, then command them to go.
I don't need to ask God if it is His will for those things I see as a curse.
Some of the things I have rejected and commanded to leave are, moles, a wart, painful lumps under the skin, bone spur, arthritis in the fingers, colds, a flu, kidney stones, back pain, citations, bad actors, and the list goes on.
Not all that was on me.
The scripture I use many times is-

Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not [or WHATSOEVER YOU REJECT], from him shall be taken [FROM THEM] even that which he seemeth to have [OR THINKS THEY HAVE].

 

[Roughsoul1991]

First off, I would NEVER EVER ask for a pink Cadillac, to start with, not for myself anyway, but if for some dumb reason I wanted such a thing, then YES, ABSOLUTELY, I would get what I confessed in faith, because God cannot not do what He promised to do.
However, there are things that could prevent me from receiving.
Some of which I will mention below.


The same as I did repeatedly in the past... Do what Jesus said.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then...
Joh 8:32 ...ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

So I continue until I get the healing.
One of the biggest reasons why many don't get their healing is because they let the seed of Jesus' work of healing, "by whose stripes ye were healed", die, and so they stop believing, or quit and fall away.
Do you know how many times I got my healing of sicknesses, only for the same sickness to come back, causing me to doubt, quit believing I was healed and fell away, thereby causing me to fail to receive my healing again?
MANY many times in the past.
But I would seek God each time, and learn, then go at it again, and again, and again!!!
Until I get that which I desired, according to that which is written.
That being, my healing or that of loved ones.

Luk 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily...

Luk 11:8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.
Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, [therefore] Ask [in like manner or with the same insistence], and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Luk 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Healing is a good thing.
And if one doesn't get their healing, it is most likely because of their lack of faith and/or unconfessed sin.


Let's focus on the scripture itself, instead of digressing about Jesus being a literal door or not, shall we?
First off, Jesus start Mk 11:23 by saying, "For verily or truly I say unto you".
Which is to say, 'this statement is true AS IS'.
For you or anyone to ADD "the will of God" to this verse is to take it out of context, and both TWIST AND PERVERT a guaranteed promise and law, to nothing more than a flimsy, weak, maybe, if by chance, kind of nothing statement.
NO ONE can have ANY FAITH in God to do anything for them, with that kind of HOPE AND PRAY garbage, while WISHING AND WONDERING what God will do.
There is absolutely NO GUARANTEE OR ASSURANCE God will do anything for you.
Now let's take the same part of verse 1Jn 5:14 out of again and use it on a similar promise, and let's see what it does to it.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, [AND IF IT BE THE WILL OF GOD,] he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life[IF IT BE THE WILL OF GOD].

Try getting someone to have confidence in promises like that.
Because after all, neither you nor the person desiring to enter the kingdom of God knows if it is God's will for that person to enter in.
They might be the wolf in sheep's clothing.
For God said, "Not everyone who calls me Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven".
If you are going to take a scripture out of context and inject it into another verse, supposedly true as is, then you have done the same as I did to the two verses above concerning salvation.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

First off, I would NEVER EVER ask for a pink Cadillac, to start with, not for myself anyway, but if for some dumb reason I wanted such a thing, then YES, ABSOLUTELY, I would get what I confessed in faith, because God cannot not do what He promised to do.

This is just silly and unbiblical.

One of the biggest reasons why many don't get their healing is because they let the seed of Jesus' work of healing, "by whose stripes ye were healed", die, and so they stop believing, or quit and fall away.

Are you kidding me? John 8:31-32 isnt even speaking about this. Your words are so twisted and off. Goodluck telling a dying Cancer patient. You must have more faith to be healed. This is so stupid and arrogant. And you flood my feed with walls of words that each sentence is just as flawed. If you want me to keep responding then donr flood my feed with so much nonsense because I am not about to write a book to correct it.

Luke 11:9 is only in context speaking about things in the will of God. Many scriptures speak on things we shouldn't ask or expect. If you need more clarification I will gladly do so. This is a favorite by word faith prosperity teachers. But it ignores many other scriptures. God is no Genie.

Matthew 7:11 I wonder what good things is Jesus talking about? May want to study this one more.

Adding the will of God is a contextual thing because if you just sit on the verses you state, ignores the verses that speak on when healing doesn't come, or tribulations, or when martyrd for our faith, or how greed and materialism isn't Biblical, or how even Jesus asked for his cup to pass from him but he ultimately relented to His Father's will. So many more examples. You are correct we are not guaranteed everything. Only what is within the promise and will of God. Some are promises and secure while others are in God's will. You are getting them confused.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

If Jesus killed a literal tree, with His word, which was with power, then YES, it definitely can be a literal mountain or tree for us as well.
As well as anything else, because the basic law applies to everything.
Again, you focused on the object and not the word of God and the law of faith, or the solution.
You are focusing on the natural and not the spiritual word of God.
Paul calls that a "carnally minded" person.


More importantly, the verse explain what FAITH IS!
Of which, you are missing.
You keep IGNORING the rest of the words.
Are they meaningless.
Is it because you CAN'T believe what is written after all?
That is exactly what your problem is.
You either refuse to believe the promises of God, or are UNABLE to, outside those dealing with salvation.



That version is not accurate.

1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Here we go again.
The same old thing of gimme money, riches, and great wealth, to those who believe in word of faith.
It's called word of faith, NOT word of money, riches, and wealth.
Again, we were talking about word of faith, any like so many others, you digressed off from the word of God and try to move the focus to what you see as corruption.
There is a difference between thinking godliness is a means of getting you gain and that gain is godliness.
One way says, I will get gain if I get godly, and the other says, I am godly if I have gain.
The fact is, many of the Jews believed gain or wealth was godliness, because they believed it was God doing the blessing.
Even the disciples marveled at Jesus' statement.

Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

Why were they so astonished?
Because they thought the rich were godly people as well.

You go tell a tree to die in the name of Jesus then. Make a video and show me. Otherwise it doesn't take a Biblical scholar to understand the example behind the words. The tree being the Jews and the mountain being a demonic attack.

There is no word faith law. This is some new age nonsense.

Well atleast you may not fall into the prosperity bunch but your answer to the pink Cadillac question is kinda hypocritical.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

If you can't even get healed from a simple sickness, why would you even suggest creating a universe?
Of course it ain't gonna happen.
Babies don't create, they only eat and poop.
Right now I think you are doing more pooping than eating because most of what you are saying stinks.


Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar

You say God won't give us what we ask for, but His word says otherwise.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you...

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

That's just a few that proves your statement to be a blatant lie and not the truth, and I could go on.
Why can't you take your focus off the natural and direct it at the promises of God like you do with salvation?


Where do I start and how much time to you have?!
I don't see you giving any example of God answering your prayers of so-called faith.
But I will give you some.
But first, I must say, I don't as so much as I command or decree.
Most things that are not of God, I reject, then command them to go.
I don't need to ask God if it is His will for those things I see as a curse.
Some of the things I have rejected and commanded to leave are, moles, a wart, painful lumps under the skin, bone spur, arthritis in the fingers, colds, a flu, kidney stones, back pain, citations, bad actors, and the list goes on.
Not all that was on me.
The scripture I use many times is-

Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not [or WHATSOEVER YOU REJECT], from him shall be taken [FROM THEM] even that which he seemeth to have [OR THINKS THEY HAVE].

Most healing scriptures have to deal with the soul. I suggest creating a universe because in your mind the word had the same power and so should you. Correct? This doctrine once boiled down tries to promote like the Mormons that you can become little gods. You may not admit it but this is where this doctrine originated from.

You say God won't give us what we ask for, but His word says otherwise.

No I said God will not give us anything we ask.

Mat 7:7 again in context speaks on good gifts and what the Father's wills as in what is good for His children.

John 14:12 okay? I believe in miracles, supernatural affects of people's spiritual gifts.

John 14:14 but also John says this in
1 John 5:14. This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.

This is what I am talking about. You are not reading the whole Bible in context. Only picking verses you like that fits your doctrine.

I pray for healing all the time. Sometimes it comes and sometimes it doesn't. By no means does that say I didn't have enough faith. If someone told me that within my pain, I would probably be ready knock someone across the jaw.

 

[know1]

Most healing scriptures have to deal with the soul.

Just like those who didn't get their healing in the bible.
It was talking about their souls not getting healed as well.
All talk, NO PROOF to back up such claims.
All I see are one way hypocritical streets with you.
You continue to make general statements, as though they are true, without providing a single shred of evidence to back them up.
Yet you want me to give you specifics, with scriptural proof.
Show me in detail, scripture I use, and other who believe as I do, that said scriptures are talking about the soul, and not the physical body.

I suggest creating a universe because in your mind the word had the same power and so should you. Correct?

NO, not necessarily.
As stated in prior posts, we do not have the Holy Spirit Himself and THE WORD of God per se, but their offspring, which God refers to as a seed.
Even as some angels and demons are stronger than other, and the parents greater than the children, in respect to God, so it is, with God's offspring through His word, in us.
So No, I do not think we could create universes, because the word in us is not able to.
And besides all that, you would have to have some serious faith for such a feat, and no one has said faith.

This doctrine once boiled down tries to promote like the Mormons that you can become little gods. You may not admit it but this is where this doctrine originated from.

Yes, we, I mean, those of us who are partakers of God's divine nature, are in a sense, little gods, even as Jesus stated.
Honestly, I could care less if the Morons started it or not.
What matters to me is, is it the truth of and from God or not.
The Morons, I can tell you, believe differently than what I am stating.
I lived close to Salt Lake City for a while before moving, and was approached many time by them and even had some friend that were morons. So their doctrinal beliefs were brought up a lot.
So I know what they believe, and it ain't the same.
They believe God started out like us and progressed in time.
They also believe they WILL BE little gods, as they progress like God.
I believe, those who are partakers of God's divine nature, ARE little gods, in a sense.

No I said God will not give us anything we ask.

So why bother asking if you believe He wont give you anything?

Mat 7:7 again in context speaks on good gifts and what the Father's wills as in what is good for His children.

Is good health, good?
Is wealth good?
Is healing and deliverance good?
What about sickness and poverty, is that good?
Are you tell me, I'm like a thoughtless little child who doesn't know what is good for my family and I?
The things you say we, who believe in WOF, try to covetously grab, are the very same things you hypocrites secretly chase after and covet. You just don't say it in church or before those who are religious.

John 14:12 okay? I believe in miracles, supernatural affects of people's spiritual gifts.

But you have never witnessed it.
Especially in your church.

John 14:14 but also John says this in 1 John 5:14. This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. This is what I am talking about. You are not reading the whole Bible in context. Only picking verses you like that fits your doctrine.

You need to understand what "context" really is, because it is NOT what you are saying.
It is the ORIGINAL surrounding verses that determine the meaning and proper interpretation of the verse or word in question, NOT the surrounding verses where you decide to put it.
Just because you decide to inject it into other promise of God, doesn't mean the surrounding text have to line up with, the ever so iffy, "if it be the will of God", part of a verse taken from one part of the bible and put in another.
I might cheery pick, but you copy and paste.
And in so doing, it is like you taking a bird flying through the air, from one picture, and past it with fish in the water, while saying the fish must be flying in the air with the bird, because I have put the bird with the fish.

I pray for healing all the time. Sometimes it comes and sometimes it doesn't. By no means does that say I didn't have enough faith. If someone told me that within my pain, I would probably be ready knock someone across the jaw.

From what I have read of your posts, you definitely do NOT have any faith for healing.
And I seriously doubt you got healed of anything.
You are too full of doubt.
God says you have and EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF.
And like Thomas, you have to see it with your own eyes BEFORE you believe it.
You might have a form of godliness, not that I see it that way, but you certainly deny the power of God in His word to work for us in this world.
The kingdom of God is not in form or words, but in power.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Just like those who didn't get their healing in the bible.
It was talking about their souls not getting healed as well.
All talk, NO PROOF to back up such claims.
All I see are one way hypocritical streets with you.
You continue to make general statements, as though they are true, without providing a single shred of evidence to back them up.
Yet you want me to give you specifics, with scriptural proof.
Show me in detail, scripture I use, and other who believe as I do, that said scriptures are talking about the soul, and not the physical body.

NO, not necessarily.
As stated in prior posts, we do not have the Holy Spirit Himself and THE WORD of God per se, but their offspring, which God refers to as a seed.
Even as some angels and demons are stronger than other, and the parents greater than the children, in respect to God, so it is, with God's offspring through His word, in us.
So No, I do not think we could create universes, because the word in us is not able to.
And besides all that, you would have to have some serious faith for such a feat, and no one has said faith.

Yes, we, I mean, those of us who are partakers of God's divine nature, are in a sense, little gods, even as Jesus stated.
Honestly, I could care less if the Morons started it or not.
What matters to me is, is it the truth of and from God or not.
The Morons, I can tell you, believe differently than what I am stating.
I lived close to Salt Lake City for a while before moving, and was approached many time by them and even had some friend that were morons. So their doctrinal beliefs were brought up a lot.
So I know what they believe, and it ain't the same.
They believe God started out like us and progressed in time.
They also believe they WILL BE little gods, as they progress like God.
I believe, those who are partakers of God's divine nature, ARE little gods, in a sense.



So why bother asking if you believe He wont give you anything?


Is good health, good?
Is wealth good?
Is healing and deliverance good?
What about sickness and poverty, is that good?
Are you tell me, I'm like a thoughtless little child who doesn't know what is good for my family and I?
The things you say we, who believe in WOF, try to covetously grab, are the very same things you hypocrites secretly chase after and covet. You just don't say it in church or before those who are religious.


But you have never witnessed it.
Especially in your church.


You need to understand what "context" really is, because it is NOT what you are saying.
It is the ORIGINAL surrounding verses that determine the meaning and proper interpretation of the verse or word in question, NOT the surrounding verses where you decide to put it.
Just because you decide to inject it into other promise of God, doesn't mean the surrounding text have to line up with, the ever so iffy, "if it be the will of God", part of a verse taken from one part of the bible and put in another.
I might cheery pick, but you copy and paste.
And in so doing, it is like you taking a bird flying through the air, from one picture, and past it with fish in the water, while saying the fish must be flying in the air with the bird, because I have put the bird with the fish.


From what I have read of your posts, you definitely do NOT have any faith for healing.
And I seriously doubt you got healed of anything.
You are too full of doubt.
God says you have and EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF.
And like Thomas, you have to see it with your own eyes BEFORE you believe it.
You might have a form of godliness, not that I see it that way, but you certainly deny the power of God in His word to work for us in this world.
The kingdom of God is not in form or words, but in power.

You you you. Attack the individual if you cannot communicate your nonsense. It is a old tactic. As that is my sign to stop wasting my time with you. I feel for whoever else has to scroll through the jumbled words.

 

[know1]

You go tell a tree to die in the name of Jesus then. Make a video and show me. Otherwise it doesn't take a Biblical scholar to understand the example behind the words. The tree being the Jews and the mountain being a demonic attack.
There is no word faith law. This is some new age nonsense.
Well atleast you may not fall into the prosperity bunch but your answer to the pink Cadillac question is kinda hypocritical.

Again, you say there is not law of faith, and yet the word of God says otherwise.

Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Let's look at some specifics in Mark 11:22 and 23.

Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Verse 22 says, "Have faith in God", or "Have the God kind of faith".
What for?
Why would Jesus tell Peter to have faith in God or the God kind of faith?
Could it be, Jesus was telling Peter how, He, Jesus, did it and how Peter could do the same thing to a fig tree or even move a mountain?
Why, because He said, "...THIS mountain..."
Referring to either the one they were on or close to.
It was a literal mountain Jesus spoke of, and a literal sea it could be moved to.
Jesus starts out with, "Verily", or "Truly" I say unto you.
Which is to say, "What I am about to say to you is the truth, AS IS."
If I draw up a contract we agree on, sign it and then give it to you to sign, but you decide to pencil something in, thereby adding to it, do we still have an agreement?
The answer is no, because you changed the wording.
It's one thing to use other verses that agree with the verse in question, for clarity sake, but it is an entirely different thing to add a part of another verse to make it say something entirely different, or what you WANT it to say.
Doing so changes the very meaning of what was written.
He then declares an open spiritual law, that will work for "whosoever" has faith in God or the God kind of faith.
I'm a whosoever and so are you.
Which means, that law is open to me or anyone else who believes.
It is NOT for the doubter, because God's signs follow them that believe, not the losers.
Now He's about to tell us what Paul preaches.
That being. the word of faith.
Again, WOF is speaking what you believe in your heart, without any doubt, and it will come to pass, AS IT IS WRITTEN.
So He says, "whosoever says or speaks unto or to...",
What you speak to doesn't matter, as we will see later.
"AND shall NOT DOUBT in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass;"
No doubt, means no doubt.
For God said about those who doubt, "don't let them think they will receive ANYTHING of the Lord."
He then says of those who spoke in faith without doubting, that they "shall have whatsoever they saith."
Again, whatsoever they say, mean, whatsoever they say.
It doesn't mean, only if it is God's will you will get whatsoever you say, but whatsoever you say believing without any doubting.
But wait, if I do add, "so long as it is the will of God", I can change that immovable, unshakable, and solid rock upon which I stand, to quicksand.
Isn't that neat?
The sheep of God get it, where the goats don't.
It's very simple and clear to those who are of God.
I didn't change, twist, or pervert anything written.
I believe what is written, AS IT IS WRITTEN, because it is perfect AS IS.

 

[know1]

You you you. Attack the individual if you cannot communicate your nonsense. It is a old tactic. As that is my sign to stop wasting my time with you. I feel for whoever else has to scroll through the jumbled words.

Deflection and ignoring equates to ignorance.
A hypocrite is someone who does the same thing they accuse others of doing.
Stating or point to facts, or what one perceives about the other, does not constitute attacking.
Again, SOME HERE ON THIS THREAD still refuse to interpret specific scripture.
Generalizing is a form of avoiding, talking around, and deflecting the eye or attention of the recipient.