A word

[AnandaHya]

You can tell if the words are of the Spirit or not by the fruits the words and thoughts produce in your life and the intentions of the person speaking to you. Is it out of love or pride?

Matthew 24:45-51 (New King James Version)

The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant
45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ [a] 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The bible study I am doing with the women in the community is reading "walking in faith: taking off the robes" by Jennifer Kostyal. A local girl from Bolivia, NC

"I was raised on a farm and there are two major differences between a sheep and a goat. A SHEEP will obey and is very submissive. A GOAT is full of "buts" and will not obey but will give you a million reasons why he or she CANNOT obey."


James 1: 22 "be doers of the word, and not hearers only DECEIVING yourselves"

Jesus spoke about in Matthew 15: 8-9, Psalms 78: 36, Isaiah 29:13

"These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their HEART is far from me and in vain they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of MEN."

Let us worship God with our whole heart, body, mind and soul. Let us live our lives as a living sacrifice to GOD!

YouTube - Lifesong - Casting Crowns

lol you know Paulnsilas told me I was acting like a five year old and needed to get some help today.( i clicked on my story link without being signed in and saw her poison)

I like being a kid and I do have help. I have the HOLY SPIRIT who loves me for ME.

God has shown me what love really means and I don't listen to demons or the demon possessed, i suggest you ignore and not respond to them either.

YouTube - JJ Heller - What Love Really Means (Official Music Video)

I was the kid with the story no one would believe.

 

[paulnsilas]

And men are going to die again for understanding the truth in doctrine in Revelation. They will stand on a sea of glass for their testamony....remember. These Multitude will be standing up for correct doctrines that the church has done a good job of twisting. Do you know who is going to send them to their deaths?
Christians who are claiming to have the correct doctrines but will send the ones who they think have the wrong doctrines to their deaths.

They did the same to Jesus....religion did that to him also.

Well, in a sense you are right, but the ones who will be (and are) doing the "turning in" aren't really Christians.

It should be evident by now what's really going on.

But people who have been listening to "prophets" are looking in exactly the wrong direction, exactly according to plan.

Deuteronomoy 13:3
you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.

1 Corinthians 11:19
for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.

 

[unclefester]

I said I do not think the prophesy at the top of this thread is verbatim from Jesus Christ.

Then in your view, it cannot be a prophecy at all, correct ?


I did not say I do not think the gift ministries (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers) are no longer around. I believe the gift ministries function today, and are very necessary. I also believe in, and practice, the manifestations of holy spirit, one of which is prophesy.

When you practice prophecy, is it verbatim from Jesus Christ ? I'm not being sarcastic. I'm trying to understand if and how something that isn't verbatim from God can be properly called a prophecy....a prophecy being defined as a revelation divinely inspired by God. I'm guessing I wouldn't be far off the mark if I said that thousands or even tens of thousands claim to practice prophesy today. Surely I'm not expected to discern the entirety of these revelations ?......or am I ? Or are God's revelations meant only for each church building where these prophecies take place ?

 

[VW]

I said I do not think the prophesy at the top of this thread is verbatim from Jesus Christ.

Then in your view, it cannot be a prophecy at all, correct ?


I did not say I do not think the gift ministries (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers) are no longer around. I believe the gift ministries function today, and are very necessary. I also believe in, and practice, the manifestations of holy spirit, one of which is prophesy.

When you practice prophecy, is it verbatim from Jesus Christ ? I'm not being sarcastic. I'm trying to understand if and how something that isn't verbatim from God can be properly called a prophecy....a prophecy being defined as a revelation divinely inspired by God. I'm guessing I wouldn't be far off the mark if I said that thousands or even tens of thousands claim to practice prophesy today. Surely I'm not expected to discern the entirety of these revelations ?......or am I ? Or are God's revelations meant only for each church building where these prophecies take place ?

When operating in the gift of prophecy, the word is subject to the prophet. In other words, he can speak, or he can withhold. Also, it should be understood that speaking in the gift of prophecy is not a word for word process all the time, although this can happen, especially when it involves the word to an unbeliever, as God reveals the secrets of their heart before all, and they fall down before God.

The office of prophet is not the gift of prophecy. This office is charge with and equipped for seeing the truth in the doctrines of the church in his day, and for correction and discipline of those who are charged with teaching the flock. It is a ministry to the church, and in this office, one so called has been in intimate contact with Jesus Christ, and through Him with the Father. And their main purpose is to call the body into this same intimate contact with God. As an office in the body, they call the members to walk in a spiritual life, to worship God in spirit and in truth.

It is a measure of the maturity of the body by how much they are able to discern and judge the words of a prophet, and how they receive the call to repentance. God sends His servants to the workers when they have decided that He is not coming, and they begin to neglect the service that He set them to. Unfortunately, most often, when the workers become neglectful, and God sends His servants to them, they despise the servants and the words of God that they speak, and mistreat them and kill them.

You decide in what fashion God looks upon this kind of worker.

 

[shroom2]

I said I do not think the prophesy at the top of this thread is verbatim from Jesus Christ.

Then in your view, it cannot be a prophecy at all, correct ?

Good question. Some of what was said could indeed be words heard during a prophesy. I believe it's possible for part of a prophesy to be genuine, and then the person gets distracted and throws in a little of his own doctrine. I believe that could be the case here. A word of prophesy will not contradict the written word, and the bible tells us that prophesy is words of comfort, edification, and exhortation. Some of the words in the above 'prophesy' do not meet that criteria.

I did not say I do not think the gift ministries (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers) are no longer around. I believe the gift ministries function today, and are very necessary. I also believe in, and practice, the manifestations of holy spirit, one of which is prophesy.

When you practice prophecy, is it verbatim from Jesus Christ ? I'm not being sarcastic.

If it's done properly, a word of prophesy is words from God or the Lord Jesus Christ intended for the body of believers present.

I'm trying to understand if and how something that isn't verbatim from God can be properly called a prophecy....a prophecy being defined as a revelation divinely inspired by God.

The manifestation of prophesy as described in I Cor 12 and 14 is words from God intended to build up the body of believers.

I'm guessing I wouldn't be far off the mark if I said that thousands or even tens of thousands claim to practice prophesy today. Surely I'm not expected to discern the entirety of these revelations ?......or am I ? Or are God's revelations meant only for each church building where these prophecies take place ?

yes. Again, the words are for the body of believers present.

Thanks for your politeness. Some, primarily due to their ignorance on the matter, aren't so nice.

 

[paulnsilas]

When operating in the gift of prophecy, the word is subject to the prophet. In other words, he can speak, or he can withhold.

Also, it should be understood that speaking in the gift of prophecy is not a word for word process all the time, although this can happen, especially when it involves the word to an unbeliever, as God reveals the secrets of their heart before all, and they fall down before God.

The office of prophet is not the gift of prophecy.

This office is charge with and equipped for seeing the truth in the doctrines of the church in his day, and for correction and discipline of those who are charged with teaching the flock.

It is a ministry to the church, and in this office, one so called has been in intimate contact with Jesus Christ, and through Him with the Father.

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[SIZE=+1]What is it and where is it going?

[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]The International Coalition of Apostles headed by C. Peter Wagner is the most influential purveyor of the New Apostolic Reformation, a term coined by Wagner. This organization is really an extension of the New Order of the Latter Rain whose influences and mentors include William Branham, Franklin Hall, the Hawtin brothers, and more recently Bill Hamon, Paul Cain and the Kansas City Prophets. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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[SIZE=-1]The doctrines of the Latter Rain have influenced most of the televangelists on TV today, and so have crept deceptively into many denominations. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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[SIZE=-1]The main heretical teachings of the New Order Of The Latter Rain, as ruled in 1949 at the General Council of the Assemblies of God held in Seattle, were as follows:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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[SIZE=-1](1) The restoration of foundational apostles and prophets in the churches. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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[SIZE=-1](2) The teaching and promotion of a transferable impartation or anointings that are passed on "by" the laying on of hands "by" the will of man. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1](3) Confession and deliverance from sin to men. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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[SIZE=-1](4) The impartation of spiritual gifts by the laying on of hands such as the gift of languages for missionary service and other "ministry skills". [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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[SIZE=-1](5) The extreme and unscriptural practice of imparting or imposing personal leadings by the means of the gifts of utterance, "word of knowledge" or prophecy. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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[SIZE=-1](6) Distortions of scripture interpretations, which are in opposition to teachings and practices generally accepted among the Church. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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[SIZE=-1]These doctrines deemed heretical by the Assemblies Of God in 1949, which are now common fare because of the Brownsville 'Revival" and the Third Wave movement, are all being promoted today in the New Apostolic Reformation.[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=-1]If these things are heretical to the heretical AoG, doesn't that say something?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Is it really that hard to start recognizing the usual suspects? over and over and over, the same names. They add up to something: this isn't just random.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Please THINK.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] connect the dots.
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[paulnsilas]

THE HIGHER LIFE
OF RICK JOYNER


CHASING THE DELUSION OF POWER AND DOMINION​

by G. Richard Fisher​

“[Rick] Joyner is one of a new breed of ‘super-prophet’ in our day, a breed which desires nothing less than to redefine biblical Christianity in these last days of the church.”1
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Any well-taught, well-grounded Christian finds it ludicrous to think that believers ever will get to the place where they no longer need the words of Jesus Christ and the teachings of Scripture.

Yet, there is a growing group of teachers who are self-proclaimed prophets and self-anointed apostles insinuating in many ways that Scripture is outdated and no longer applies. Though these teachings are not along the lines of “Get rid of the Bible,” the prophecies and revelations are touted as fresh, exciting and what is really needed today. These teachers also promote a false gospel of self-aggrandizement and empire-building. Someday, they promise, the wicked will forfeit all their wealth to Christians.

So God’s Word is denigrated and characterized by Tenney as “moldy pages of what God has done.” This is but one example of how God’s Word is trashed by these new apostles. They would have us believe that Scripture is passé and no longer relevant for our day. At times they speak out of both sides of their mouths and may play up the Bible so as to not alarm their more conservative followers. However, the way they exalt their prophecies and revelations makes the Bible seem uninteresting in comparison.
Any serious reading of 1 Timothy 4 and 2 Timothy 3 would show us that this is what we can expect as the present age wears on. The one revival we can expect is not one of “super prophets and apostles” but of heresy, deception and confusion.

Such thoughts of demoting the Bible and elevating man’s imagined prophecies of dominion have their origin in the heresies of the Latter Rain Movement originating in the 1940s4. The bizarre ideas of Latter Rain were rejected by most thinking Pentecostals, including the Assemblies of God, but today many who once denounced such teachings now embrace them.

AN INCREASE IN PROPHETS

Rick Joyner, founder and Executive Director of MorningStar Publications and Ministries in North Carolina, is another proponent of these ideas of a new breed of super prophets and end-time restorationists. Joyner says his conversion to Christianity came in 1971 and from that time has “an ability to foresee certain future events accurately” and “occasionally look at people and know details about them such as problems they were having or spiritual callings on their life.”5 He associates with other self-proclaimed prophets such as Paul Cain and Mike Bickle.
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Despite his “prophetic” calling and service in full-time ministry, Joyner acknowledged that he “was shallow in [his] personal relationship to the Lord” and his “lack of intimacy with the Lord had caused [him] to lean more on formulas and procedures than the anointing that is essential to giving life to truth.”6 This crisis of conscience caused him to leave the ministry in 1980 as he “drifted from the Lord” until 1987, when he “was again called back into ministry by the Lord with the word that [his] commission would be given to another if [he] did not return at that time.”7

MORE PROPHETABLE THAN SCRIPTURE

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Joyner leaves no doubt as to where he thinks the “Voice of the Lord” is found and it is not in Scripture:

“It is typical of our Western mind-set to want a clear formula for how to get to know the voice of the Lord. There must at least be an obvious ‘how to’ in the Scriptures, we think. Many have attempted to wrestle one out of the Word, but it is not there. The only way we can come to know the voice of the Lord is the same way that the sheep came to know their shepherd’s voice — through time spent in His presence.”8
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Joyner further disparages the Bible by teaching that while Scripture is used for constituting doctrine, it is unable to provide wisdom and counsel in our daily lives. He states:

“The Scriptures alone are used for establishing doctrine, while ‘the voice of the Lord’ is used to give us day-to-day guidance as well as revealing the strategic will of the Lord. The Bible does not address some of the most important decisions we must all make — whom we should marry, our choice of professions, where we should live.”9

The Higher Life of Rick Joyner

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[VW]

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and I give them eternal life, and no one can snatch them from My hand."

The downfall of the church begin with the belief that she could know the will of God by study. There is a way that seems right to man, but the end of it is destruction. The enemy of God's people has been working a creation long deception, starting in the garden with his lie to Eve. Eve had heard the voice of God, telling her what things she was not to eat. As long as she trusted the words she had heard, she was safe, but the moment she begin to analyze the words, looking to see what was and was not said, her fall was all but assured. The little lies spoil, and grow into utter destruction.

Has God said to replace the Spirit with the bible? Obviously, some believe so. The second most precious gift offered to every believer has been relegated to the place of second, or even third hand importance in the life of the believer, after the bible and the pastor teacher they have been "called to submit themselves to." and only if what He reveals lines up with these paramount things, (which are not God,) then is it a true revelation. Is it any wonder God despises our assemblies?

The Holy Spirit is something we ought not despise. That we do, with such offhand deportment is indicative of a fallen generation of unbelievers, destined to suffer terribly when their house falls under the storm and the flood. The Holy Spirit is like God's heart. Despise God's heart, and you have despised God.

But anything I might say has already been judged as false. So why would I continue to heep to myself such disdain and derission and mocking?

Nevertheless, the Holy Spirit asks you why you must despise Him? I would think long and hard about the answer.

 

[unclefester]

Good question. Some of what was said could indeed be words heard during a prophesy. I believe it's possible for part of a prophesy to be genuine, and then the person gets distracted and throws in a little of his own doctrine. I believe that could be the case here. A word of prophesy will not contradict the written word, and the bible tells us that prophesy is words of comfort, edification, and exhortation. Some of the words in the above 'prophesy' do not meet that criteria.

With all due respect shroom, and I mean that sincerely, does it make sense to you that God would give His people a "partially true prophecy" ? I have yet to read anywhere in the bible where a prophecy carried with it any overtones of a denominational doctrine. God's work is not incoherent or inconsistent. This type of thinking suggests that it is.....or could be. I fail to understand how a word of prophecy from God could carry with it the possibility of "not being done properly". Their is NO margin of error for the things of God. Furthermore,if the gift of prophecy is still being given and there are people out there who speak directly on behalf of God, then the canon is still open. I'm certain that paulnsilas has already made this point but it bears repeating.

 

[superdave5221]

Well, since you are the moderator, I will make an exception and answer a critic. I have not answered directly any person who is critical of what I posted. I have tried to answer questions, which are not criticisms.

I responded first to one critic because I did not recognize her as one, but do now.

Since you have become a critic, I will not answer you hence forth.

I'm not surprised you are not answering critics. Just as Satan ran from God's Truth, when Jesus quoted scriptures to him, you also run from the Truth. You have no choice. What a contrast between you and Jesus, who constantly answered His critics with authority. You have no authority, that is why you don't answer.

We have the "gift" of Holy Spirit. Part of that gift is discernment. It is very easy to see those who "are in the spirit", by their abilities to discern your lack of prophetic authority.

Just as Satan often had some truth mixed in with his lies, you may be correct that these are the last days, (is that your prophecy?). Certainly the plethora of false prophets to arise would be indicative of it. Jesus warned that in the last days there would be many false prophets who would deceive many. He never warned us to beware of God's Word, as you have done.

 

[VW]

Good question. Some of what was said could indeed be words heard during a prophesy. I believe it's possible for part of a prophesy to be genuine, and then the person gets distracted and throws in a little of his own doctrine. I believe that could be the case here. A word of prophesy will not contradict the written word, and the bible tells us that prophesy is words of comfort, edification, and exhortation. Some of the words in the above 'prophesy' do not meet that criteria.

With all due respect shroom, and I mean that sincerely, does it make sense to you that God would give His people a "partially true prophecy" ? I have yet to read anywhere in the bible where a prophecy carried with it any overtones of a denominational doctrine. God's work is not incoherent or inconsistent. This type of thinking suggests that it is.....or could be. I fail to understand how a word of prophecy from God could carry with it the possibility of "not being done properly". Their is NO margin of error for the things of God. Furthermore,if the gift of prophecy is still being given and there are people out there who speak directly on behalf of God, then the canon is still open. I'm certain that paulnsilas has already made this point but it bears repeating.
It should be noted that the bible was canonized by man, not by God. Or, are we to believe that God influenced a very ungodly man to canonize the bible?

Prophecy is not scripture.

 

[VW]

Beware of your own understanding of God's written word. If you think you know anything, then you know nothing as you ought. Seems I read that in scripture somewhere. Maybe not, but I hear those words from the Spirit.

I also hear from the Spirit that Jesus answered by saying what He heard His Father saying, and that when He was accused of blasphemy, He answered them not. When He was accused of casting out demons by the power of Satan, that He showed them wisdom from above. And now I have been called a servant of the devil. I am in good company.

All praise and all honor and all glory to Jesus Christ, then, now, and forever more. He is Lord of all, and He is coming quickly to judge His house.
Even so Lord Jesus, come quickly, come quickly.

 

[superdave5221]

It should be noted that the bible was canonized by man, not by God. Or, are we to believe that God influenced a very ungodly man to canonize the bible?

Prophecy is not scripture. [the above quoted by VW]


Wrong again VW. You sure don't know much to be a prophet! Man did not canonize the bible. Only those who believe in apostolic succession believe this. If that were true, then those church bodies who authorized the councils would have authority over the Holy Scriptures, by virtue of the fact that they had given it authority by canonizing it, which is most definitely not the case.

The N.T. canon was divinely inspired, and accepted as such by Christians, long before the church councils "formally" accepted them into their canon, later on. The church councils only adopted those books which were known to be "divinely inspired".

For you to believe what you said above proves that you have no respect for the bible as God's word.

 

[superdave5221]

Beware of your own understanding of God's written word. If you think you know anything, then you know nothing as you ought. Seems I read that in scripture somewhere. Maybe not, but I hear those words from the Spirit.

I also hear from the Spirit that Jesus answered by saying what He heard His Father saying, and that when He was accused of blasphemy, He answered them not. When He was accused of casting out demons by the power of Satan, that He showed them wisdom from above. And now I have been called a servant of the devil. I am in good company.

All praise and all honor and all glory to Jesus Christ, then, now, and forever more. He is Lord of all, and He is coming quickly to judge His house.
Even so Lord Jesus, come quickly, come quickly.

Did you just answer me? You just said you were not answering critics. If we can't rely on you to tell the truth about earthly things, how can we ever trust you in speaking of the things of God?

 

[VW]

Am I not allowed to post comments, my thoughts and prayers and the words I hear from the Spirit?

I am not answering anyone, but I will present the truth in opposition to lies.

 

[superdave5221]

Am I not allowed to post comments, my thoughts and prayers and the words I hear from the Spirit?

I am not answering anyone, but I will present the truth in opposition to lies.

It seems like a good prophet would have forseen that need, before telling everyone he would not reply. It kind of makes a prophet look bad when you do that.

 

[VW]

In the last days, there will be a spirit of slumber on the people. They will not follow sound doctrine, they will be fault finders, backbitters, hateful unreconcilable men who are always learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth. The end will be swift and sure.

If anyone stands in their way, if anyone speaks against what they have trusted in, they will slay them with malice and hatred. Their beliefs are more important to them than the commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ, to love one another. They speak in the mannor of their master.

Each of you decide for yourself, is Jesus represented by backbiting faultfinders? Is the fruit of the Spirit seen in these things? It is not hard to hear His voice. All one has to do is admit the truth, that they are blind and naked and poor and pitiable. All they have to do is answer the knock as Jesus comes to them. All they have to do is confess that they know nothing. God will not turn away from the humble and contrite heart, but He resists those who are proud, who are full of knowledge and have no love.

Jesus is coming with His angels to make war against the proud, against the unloving,'against the liars. Who will be able to stand in that day?
Come and repent, empty your hands, seek console from the Lord, and let Him teach you. Do not harden your hearts as do so many who call themselves by His name. Know that Jesus is so much more majestic than we have known, that if we were to see Him now that we would not be able to bear it. Repent of your arrogance and pride, while you still can.

 

[shroom2]

Good question. Some of what was said could indeed be words heard during a prophesy. I believe it's possible for part of a prophesy to be genuine, and then the person gets distracted and throws in a little of his own doctrine. I believe that could be the case here. A word of prophesy will not contradict the written word, and the bible tells us that prophesy is words of comfort, edification, and exhortation. Some of the words in the above 'prophesy' do not meet that criteria.

With all due respect shroom, and I mean that sincerely, does it make sense to you that God would give His people a "partially true prophecy" ? I have yet to read anywhere in the bible where a prophecy carried with it any overtones of a denominational doctrine. God's work is not incoherent or inconsistent. This type of thinking suggests that it is.....or could be. I fail to understand how a word of prophecy from God could carry with it the possibility of "not being done properly". Their is NO margin of error for the things of God. Furthermore,if the gift of prophecy is still being given and there are people out there who speak directly on behalf of God, then the canon is still open. I'm certain that paulnsilas has already made this point but it bears repeating.

The parts of a prophesy that are from God are 100% true. But because PEOPLE are involved, sometimes their mind comes into play and part of what they say is their words rather than God's words. God will not "take over" and force them to say something. "The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets". And we are to check things out:

I John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:

The Corinthian church was not operating the manifestations correctly, and required instruction. That's what I Cor 12 - 14 is, reproof to the Corinthian church on correct usage of the manifestations. We can learn from it. And the canon is not open. As I mentioned, a word of prophesy will not contradict the written Word.

God bless.

 

[unclefester]

It should be noted that the bible was canonized by man, not by God. Or, are we to believe that God influenced a very ungodly man to canonize the bible?

Prophecy is not scripture. [the above quoted by VW]


Wrong again VW. You sure don't know much to be a prophet! Man did not canonize the bible. Only those who believe in apostolic succession believe this. If that were true, then those church bodies who authorized the councils would have authority over the Holy Scriptures, by virtue of the fact that they had given it authority by canonizing it, which is most definitely not the case.

The N.T. canon was divinely inspired, and accepted as such by Christians, long before the church councils "formally" accepted them into their canon, later on. The church councils only adopted those books which were known to be "divinely inspired".

For you to believe what you said above proves that you have no respect for the bible as God's word.

Exactly. And hence the need for modern day "prophets". God speaks directly through them and if we do not accept them or dare question their validity, it is we who are arrogant and proud. I have neither the need or desire to "test" their spirits or their words to see whether they are in accord with the scriptures, God's Word. I trust that God, His only begotten Son Jesus Christ and His Word, given us through the Holy Spirit is more than sufficient to meet my every need.

 

[Red33]

Exactly. And hence the need for modern day "prophets". God speaks directly through them and if we do not accept them or dare question their validity, it is we who are arrogant and proud. I have neither the need or desire to "test" their spirits or their words to see whether they are in accord with the scriptures, God's Word. I trust that God, His only begotten Son Jesus Christ and His Word, given us through the Holy Spirit is more than sufficient to meet my every need.

If you believe this to be so, then there is no reason for you to adhere to any of the scriptures that we have been given. That includes the testimony of the gospels concerning Christ and His death, burial and resurrection. It also includes any correction, any reproof or instruction in righteousness. If you have the Holy Spirit and you depend on any self proclaimed NT prophets to give you a word from God, then you can believe anything you want and reject anything you want based upon their subjective prophecy and not on the testimony of God's inspired objective written word. Anyone that believes in the manner that you do has no sound doctrine in their soul and would scoff at those who do.