How 'Relationship not Religion' preaching has replaced the Gospel with many Evangelicals

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presidente

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I saw a post about this once Facebook recently, and it is true in my experience. I have witnessed a lot of 'altar call's' and closing bits of sermons leading up to a 'sinner's prayer' where people stay in their seats that leave out important parts of the Gospel.

If I went by what I heard in some churches, I'd think the way to evangelize is:

- Do not tell the audience that Jesus is the Son of God.
- Do not explain who Jesus is.
- Do not explain who God is.
- Do not say much about the cross. Mention it....maybe.... but don't explain it.
- Do not mention that Christ rose from the dead.
- Do not tell the audience that Jesus is Lord.
- If you mention any of these things, do not explain what they mean-- sin, atonement, 'Lord', or 'Christ.'

But make sure to:
- Tell people that Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship.

Maybe include:
- The phrase 'personal Savior', but don't explain what this odd phrase means.
- An appeal to people that they need Jesus to make their lives better.
- An appeal to ask Jesus into their hearts.

Then have the audience repeat a prayer that has them ask God for forgiveness or say they want to accept Jesus, or believe in Jesus.


The approach basically assumes the listener has already heard the Gospel and can fill in the gaps based on their previous understanding. I cringe a bit when I heard 'Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship.' and preaching on the idea that religion is a bad thing for a number of reasons. One reason is, I know that probably in the 1980's, evangelical preachers decided to redefine 'religion' as a bad thing. It was an okay word when I was a kid. Christians did not take offense to it. An old song said, "Give me that old time religion.' Puritan books call Christianity 'religion.' Just about every English translation of the Bible I've come across, with maybe one exception, says that 'pure religion' includes visiting widows and orphans in their affliction and keeping oneself spotted from the world. That' sin James 1. 'Religion' is not inherently evil in our Bibles. There is pure religion, and there is vain religion.

I think the 'personal Savior' thing that preceded the 'not a religion, it's a relationship' emphasis is just plain confusing, since most of the time it went unexplained. I heard an evangelist in the 1980's explain that each of us personally needed to repent. That makes sense if you are dealing with a culturally Christian audience who intellectually acknowledge Christ as Savior but haven't repented. It doesn't help an audience of totally unchurched heathens, though, and our nation is going more in that direction. Without explanation 'personal Savior' must seems some undecipherable jargon to those unfamiliar with it.

And "it's a personal relationship" was not the message the apostles preached. What really bothers me is that the actual Gospel stuff gets left out of so much preaching. Consider this passage:

1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

If we read the sermons in Acts, we read about Jesus being Lord, Jesus being Christ, Christ being slain, and an emphasis on the resurrection of Christ. I see the resurrection here again as part of the Gospel by which we are saved in I Corinthians 15. In Romans 10:9-10 Paul says that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead you shall be saved. (Singular, translated 'thou' in the KJV.)

Why do so many preachers, even if they do manage to mention the cross, omit the resurrection? And why would they assume the audience knows about these things? Do they really thing people can be saved by hearing that religion is bad and that they need a personal relationship, if the people do not believe that Jesus is Lord, the Christ, Who died for their sins and rose from the dead? If they believe the people need to believe this, why don't they preach it? How shall they hear without a preacher, Paul asked.

I know some of you cannot relate to this. When I grew up, I heard "sinner's prayers", but the preaching that preceded it and the prayer were tied closely to Romans 10, and emphasized Christ dying and rising from the dead. There was preaching on Christ dying for our sins. The sinner's prayer ritual in the mouths of many preachers has become a cross-less thing it seems. I grew up in Pentecostalism, and I can say in recent years I have still heard this approach to 'evangelism', but from some Pentecostals, Charismatics, Baptists, and nondenominational preachers, I've heard plenty of appeals to 'pray to receive Christ' that were not preceded by preaching on His cross or resurrection.

The preacher doesn't share the Gospel, asks people to receive Christ, and then maybe he tells them if they believed that prayer, they are saved. Or he tells them the Devil might try to tell them later they aren't saved. What happens if they get convicted for still being sinners after they have left without hearing and believing the Gospel? Who are they going to blame that on?

I am a strong believer in water baptism. I don't think the ritual of repeating a prayer in and of itself saves, nor do I see this as the approach of the apostles. I do believe confessing faith in Christ is important and repeating a prayer is a way this is done.

I wonder what the next trend to supposedly get people saved will be to ask Jesus in a prayer to be their best friend or to pretend to give Jesus some kind of high-five or what. I had thought that before, and then I heard a sinner's prayer, either without the preaching of the cross or the resurrection or both preceding it, in which the audience was told to repeat a prayer asking Jesus to be their friend. He might have said best friend. I haven't seen the get-saved-by-giving-Him-an-imaginary-high-five yet. I hope it Evangelical 'evangelism' does not degenerate into that.

This is my experience based on moving a lot and living mostly in two countries on nearly opposite sides of the world. If this is not your experience and you always hear the cross and the resurrection proclaimed in an evangelistic situation, good for you.
 

wattie

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#2
Yeah.. people should know Jesus is God and that He died for our sins so that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.. before praying to be saved by Jesus.

I used to do a lot of initative evangelism.. on a university campus, at the beach, at parks.

Most of the time I could tell if people were interested and getting convicted. When that was happening I would try to be careful to explain Jesus' deity and sacrifice.

Where it can go wrong is when it gets gimmicky.. like 'say this and that and you'll be saved' without sincerity, without conviction.

A problem can happen where the ones doing the evangelism have to report how many saved each week or month or whatever. Like churches that also report on congregation numbers.

Then you get problems with putting on a facade and having programs to 'look like you are doing the work'

Jesus has gotta be the first love.
 
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#3
I saw a post about this once Facebook recently, and it is true in my experience. I have witnessed a lot of 'altar call's' and closing bits of sermons leading up to a 'sinner's prayer' where people stay in their seats that leave out important parts of the Gospel.

If I went by what I heard in some churches, I'd think the way to evangelize is:

- Do not tell the audience that Jesus is the Son of God.
- Do not explain who Jesus is.
- Do not explain who God is.
- Do not say much about the cross. Mention it....maybe.... but don't explain it.
- Do not mention that Christ rose from the dead.
- Do not tell the audience that Jesus is Lord.
- If you mention any of these things, do not explain what they mean-- sin, atonement, 'Lord', or 'Christ.'

But make sure to:
- Tell people that Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship.

Maybe include:
- The phrase 'personal Savior', but don't explain what this odd phrase means.
- An appeal to people that they need Jesus to make their lives better.
- An appeal to ask Jesus into their hearts.

Then have the audience repeat a prayer that has them ask God for forgiveness or say they want to accept Jesus, or believe in Jesus.


The approach basically assumes the listener has already heard the Gospel and can fill in the gaps based on their previous understanding. I cringe a bit when I heard 'Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship.' and preaching on the idea that religion is a bad thing for a number of reasons. One reason is, I know that probably in the 1980's, evangelical preachers decided to redefine 'religion' as a bad thing. It was an okay word when I was a kid. Christians did not take offense to it. An old song said, "Give me that old time religion.' Puritan books call Christianity 'religion.' Just about every English translation of the Bible I've come across, with maybe one exception, says that 'pure religion' includes visiting widows and orphans in their affliction and keeping oneself spotted from the world. That' sin James 1. 'Religion' is not inherently evil in our Bibles. There is pure religion, and there is vain religion.

I think the 'personal Savior' thing that preceded the 'not a religion, it's a relationship' emphasis is just plain confusing, since most of the time it went unexplained. I heard an evangelist in the 1980's explain that each of us personally needed to repent. That makes sense if you are dealing with a culturally Christian audience who intellectually acknowledge Christ as Savior but haven't repented. It doesn't help an audience of totally unchurched heathens, though, and our nation is going more in that direction. Without explanation 'personal Savior' must seems some undecipherable jargon to those unfamiliar with it.

And "it's a personal relationship" was not the message the apostles preached. What really bothers me is that the actual Gospel stuff gets left out of so much preaching. Consider this passage:

1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

If we read the sermons in Acts, we read about Jesus being Lord, Jesus being Christ, Christ being slain, and an emphasis on the resurrection of Christ. I see the resurrection here again as part of the Gospel by which we are saved in I Corinthians 15. In Romans 10:9-10 Paul says that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead you shall be saved. (Singular, translated 'thou' in the KJV.)

Why do so many preachers, even if they do manage to mention the cross, omit the resurrection? And why would they assume the audience knows about these things? Do they really thing people can be saved by hearing that religion is bad and that they need a personal relationship, if the people do not believe that Jesus is Lord, the Christ, Who died for their sins and rose from the dead? If they believe the people need to believe this, why don't they preach it? How shall they hear without a preacher, Paul asked.

I know some of you cannot relate to this. When I grew up, I heard "sinner's prayers", but the preaching that preceded it and the prayer were tied closely to Romans 10, and emphasized Christ dying and rising from the dead. There was preaching on Christ dying for our sins. The sinner's prayer ritual in the mouths of many preachers has become a cross-less thing it seems. I grew up in Pentecostalism, and I can say in recent years I have still heard this approach to 'evangelism', but from some Pentecostals, Charismatics, Baptists, and nondenominational preachers, I've heard plenty of appeals to 'pray to receive Christ' that were not preceded by preaching on His cross or resurrection.

The preacher doesn't share the Gospel, asks people to receive Christ, and then maybe he tells them if they believed that prayer, they are saved. Or he tells them the Devil might try to tell them later they aren't saved. What happens if they get convicted for still being sinners after they have left without hearing and believing the Gospel? Who are they going to blame that on?

I am a strong believer in water baptism. I don't think the ritual of repeating a prayer in and of itself saves, nor do I see this as the approach of the apostles. I do believe confessing faith in Christ is important and repeating a prayer is a way this is done.

I wonder what the next trend to supposedly get people saved will be to ask Jesus in a prayer to be their best friend or to pretend to give Jesus some kind of high-five or what. I had thought that before, and then I heard a sinner's prayer, either without the preaching of the cross or the resurrection or both preceding it, in which the audience was told to repeat a prayer asking Jesus to be their friend. He might have said best friend. I haven't seen the get-saved-by-giving-Him-an-imaginary-high-five yet. I hope it Evangelical 'evangelism' does not degenerate into that.

This is my experience based on moving a lot and living mostly in two countries on nearly opposite sides of the world. If this is not your experience and you always hear the cross and the resurrection proclaimed in an evangelistic situation, good for you.
Back in the day, the only gospel we heard was "Jesus is better than taking dope" He's a real high and you can't get busted for it" "Just get them to commit (free will) and let God do the rest"...........
 

notuptome

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We are about 2 generations into an evangelical message that wants to be all love and omit the justice of God. The reason for the gospel is the penalty of sin. God judges sinners with eternal condemnation. If the penalty were not so severe God would not have thought to send His only begotten Son to satisfy the law and provide Himself a Redeemer Savior.

The reason we have John 3:16 is because of Genesis 2:17.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

presidente

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Yeah.. people should know Jesus is God and that He died for our sins so that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.. before praying to be saved by Jesus.

I used to do a lot of initative evangelism.. on a university campus, at the beach, at parks.

Most of the time I could tell if people were interested and getting convicted. When that was happening I would try to be careful to explain Jesus' deity and sacrifice.

Where it can go wrong is when it gets gimmicky.. like 'say this and that and you'll be saved' without sincerity, without conviction.

A problem can happen where the ones doing the evangelism have to report how many saved each week or month or whatever. Like churches that also report on congregation numbers.

Then you get problems with putting on a facade and having programs to 'look like you are doing the work'

Jesus has gotta be the first love.
Some atheists will repeat a prayer after them if they think you will leave them alone. Some people will just go along with you if you have a routine you are working them through that ends in a prayer, whether you agree or not. I took a soul-winning class in middle school and led probably dozens of people through the Roman Road and repeating a prayer. The scripture may have done some good, but looking back, I cannot know if those people were saved. One was a friend of mine and he seemed to show no more interest in God when we were done than he did before.
 

presidente

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Back in the day, the only gospel we heard was "Jesus is better than taking dope" He's a real high and you can't get busted for it" "Just get them to commit (free will) and let God do the rest"...........
That's a pretty messed up message. They did not tell you about the cross?
 
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I notice this trend even in person, even in their churches. It seems to me they do this to try to attract the younger generations, but I don't think they understand that they will only repel the very very few that are actually serious about Christianity, and they will basically only attract to themselves heresies and the wishy-washy youth whom will inevitably depart anyways because their root is not well grounded. Now there is a certain truth that Christianity as a religion is indeed different from the other religions. The main thing that sets Christianity apart from the other religions is that Christianity is the only true religion with the only true God.
 
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I notice this trend even in person, even in their churches. It seems to me they do this to try to attract the younger generations, but I don't think they understand that they will only repel the very very few that are actually serious about Christianity, and they will basically only attract to themselves heresies and the wishy-washy youth whom will inevitably depart anyways because their root is not well grounded. Now there is a certain truth that Christianity as a religion is indeed different from the other religions. The main thing that sets Christianity apart from the other religions is that Christianity is the only true religion with the only true God.
And such were some of us. Most of us, I'm guessing, were once wishy-washy youth - bless those who weren't.

Some of us still are, and some are wishy-washy codgers. Some seeds will fall on poor ground, and some who sow have ulterior motives, even some had in Paul's day. Yet some seeds, even sewn badly, will fall on good ground and bear fruit, as the seeker learns to walk, and who to hear. Jesus. He will gravitate toward a better brotherhood, or improve the one he's in if in touch with the Spirit.

I agree that churches/evangelists are leaving much out, but am somewhat encouraged by the fact that the Lord can still use even the worst among them for His purposes.
 
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And such were some of us. Most of us, I'm guessing, were once wishy-washy youth - bless those who weren't.

Some of us still are, and some are wishy-washy codgers. Some seeds will fall on poor ground, and some who sow have ulterior motives, even some had in Paul's day. Yet some seeds, even sewn badly, will fall on good ground and bear fruit, as the seeker learns to walk, and who to hear. Jesus. He will gravitate toward a better brotherhood, or improve the one he's in if in touch with the Spirit.

I agree that churches/evangelists are leaving much out, but am somewhat encouraged by the fact that the Lord can still use even the worst among them for His purposes.
Then shall the Lord spew them out.
 
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He is the Lord; let Him do what seems good to Him.
 

breno785au

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I love finding root causes for issues. I may be wrong but I'm tending to think the root cause of this is people relying on their preachers to teach them rather than taking that responsibility on for themselves, the same like the Hebrews with Moses.

There is so much pressure on our pastors or whatever to deliver a message to us each week because of how we congregate. Give it rest! Learn for yourself and discuss your findings with your brothers and sisters! Stop treating your gatherings as a service to get something!
Take responsibility for your own walk and stop relying on someone to tell you what and how to think!
 
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I love finding root causes for issues. I may be wrong but I'm tending to think the root cause of this is people relying on their preachers to teach them rather than taking that responsibility on for themselves, the same like the Hebrews with Moses.

There is so much pressure on our pastors or whatever to deliver a message to us each week because of how we congregate. Give it rest! Learn for yourself and discuss your findings with your brothers and sisters! Stop treating your gatherings as a service to get something!
Take responsibility for your own walk and stop relying on someone to tell you what and how to think!
I believe that bible study, as I (we?) once knew it growing up, has declined to a practice of the very few. When the subject of study arises - for instance, last week my three-visits-per-week nurse aid asked me if I knew a lot about the bible because she had questions - so I asked her a simple question that I've come to use as an initial indicator of familiarity with the bible. What name-change did God give to Jacob?

A lot of Christians can't answer this. My aid certainly had no clue, but was interested. She said she only read the New Testament - once she realized that's where Jacob's story resides (she also expressed surprise when I told her the first Christians were taught from the OT scriptures). As a result of her inquiry we are studying Samuel I together, though I began with an overview of OT history that I worked up thirty years ago for a bible study class - not that I am a scholar, I'm not, but I do have some knowledge. I'm not afraid to say IDK.

Although changes in our nation's laws haven't helped the situation any, the primary problems I see lie with parents who fail to take their children to church, fail to teach them at home, and with the many churches who fail to teach the bible. Both believing, practicing parents - and their teaching churches - are still around,, but harder to find, way I see it.
 

Mission21

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I love finding root causes for issues. I may be wrong but I'm tending to think the root cause of this is people relying on their preachers to teach them rather than taking that responsibility on for themselves, the same like the Hebrews with Moses.

There is so much pressure on our pastors or whatever to deliver a message to us each week because of how we congregate. Give it rest! Learn for yourself and discuss your findings with your brothers and sisters! Stop treating your gatherings as a service to get something!
Take responsibility for your own walk and stop relying on someone to tell you what and how to think!
Good point / post.
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It seems that people focus on 'packaged Sunday message '.. nowadays.
- Maybe too much..
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I found out about some church 'weekly meetings ( group )'..
- Main agenda is 'discussing / arguing' about previous 'Sunday message.'
- Why did pastor use that word / phrase?...etc.
- Sometimes getting into 'hair - splitting argument.'
I have been to those meetings.
- Interesting / amusing experience.
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Note:
They ( group meetings ) used to have discussion on..
- Topical, Biblical issues..etc. ( Bible study )
- Then, it changed..to discussing 'Sunday message.'