So many anti charismatic smear jobs allowed?

[bojack]

So you're suggesting that anybody who so much as challenges your beliefs is attacking Christ's body and is therefore demonic?

Have a day off, love!

I think you'll find that many Christians take issue with the 'charismatic' perception of faith that has came about over the last couple of decades because of the false teaching that is so often associated with it.

From experience, 'charismatic' teaching basically says "give me your money or else you're robbing God".

It's your money , you can use it however you want to .. Why do you care if some one else does the same .. They used to have 2 independent auditing firms with TV ministers you could receive audits by request on demand .. Today I wouldn't get involved with one that didn't have independent auditors ..

 

[DBurrage]

It's your money , you can use it however you want to .. Why do you care if some one else does the same .. They used to have 2 independent auditing firms with TV ministers you could receive audits by request on demand .. Today I wouldn't get involved with one that didn't have independent auditors ..

Who said that I have an issue with people doing what they want with their money?

What I have an issue with is people being force fed false doctrine.
One such example is how some charismatic churches guilt trip people into giving money to the Church.

 

[Guojing]

No man could keep the letter of the law. "Thou shall surely die"

The word "keep" must be defined.

I remember once for a long period sharing with another person who used the word "keep" in a way that opposed the gospel.

No man could keep any commandment coming from God who is not a man.

To "keep" is to guard closely with all of ones new heart, soul and mind. We can keep in that way because he empowers us living in these bodies of death who keep his laws imperfectly. He is the perfect One.

As the just one(letter of the law) and the justifier (law of faith) He is one who kept the law perfectly. We therefore can keep his commandments as he works in us with us. . His loving commandments forgive as well as show error . Without his perfect law we would have no way to hear Him and seek after when we do violate it denying him if and when do .

With Him there is forgiveness without. . . .the letter of the law death

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Again, that was what the animal sacrifice was for during the OT. Christ has not arrived yet, so there was no such thing as faith apart from works.

 

[Absolutely]

and there is the problem. You have a persecution complex about anybody disagreeing with YOUR scriptural understanding... because you obviously cannot be wrong.

So, your conclusion is that anyone that disagrees with you is possessed of a demonic spirit?

I bet you're a BLAST at parties....

Um no
I explored a physiological aspect earlier.

I can read and comprehend what is said.

Your inaccurate depiction could simply reveal a agenda you are not willing to confront.

But nice try and cunning move. Try again.

 

[bojack]

Who said that I have an issue with people doing what they want with their money?

What I have an issue with is people being force fed false doctrine.
One such example is how some charismatic churches guilt trip people into giving money to the Church.

I have issues with people doing illegal drugs, abusing kids, family break ups and lots of other stuff higher priority .. Jesus took my guilt and folks get saved from TV ministries not to mention shut-ins .. The regular church folks don't seem to be beating the streets ..

 

[Absolutely]

So you're suggesting that anybody who so much as challenges your beliefs is attacking Christ's body and is therefore demonic?

Have a day off, love!

I think you'll find that many Christians take issue with the 'charismatic' perception of faith that has came about over the last couple of decades because of the false teaching that is so often associated with it.

From experience, 'charismatic' teaching basically says "give me your money or else you're robbing God".

Why do you malign me?
You literally made that up.
Basically lied about me

But if that is how you roll...

 

[DBurrage]

Why do you malign me?
You literally made that up.
Basically lied about me

But if that is how you roll...

Have a day off, love.

My conclusion is, as somebody else suggested, that you have a persecution complex.

I'm not willing to waste my time on this.

Have a good day.

 

[Absolutely]

Not necessary to forbid that which ceased according to scripture.

Many will not agree with you but will say that speaking in tongues is a required evidence of the Holy Spirit baptism.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yeah that verse is about all you got.
You have 3 ceasing.
Prophecy
Tongues
And knowledge.

So you have no prophecy, no tongues,and no knowledge in you or your teachers

I would say ditto.
You guys do not.
That verse was prophetic..irony of ironies.

 

[bojack]

Um no
I explored a physiological aspect earlier.

I can read and comprehend what is said.

Your inaccurate depiction could simply reveal a agenda you are not willing to confront.

But nice try and cunning move. Try again.

Depends on what kind of party , right ?

 

[Absolutely]

Who said that I have an issue with people doing what they want with their money?

What I have an issue with is people being force fed false doctrine.
One such example is how some charismatic churches guilt trip people into giving money to the Church.

Sounds like you have some persecution complex.
All churches have false doctrine.
No church 100% agrees with anyone.
Well maybe a handfull.

Maybe your heart is not right or something.
I am called demonic not through any proof or honest debate.
But by people like you that bring nothing to the table but wild accusations.
You so readily accused me without knowing a thing about me
You know nothing at all about me but what you made up in your mind.

Then you post more conjecture and leave.

 

[DBurrage]

Sounds like you have some persecution complex.
All churches have false doctrine.
No church 100% agrees with anyone.
Well maybe a handfull.

Maybe your heart is not right or something.
I am called demonic not through any proof or honest debate.
But by people like you that bring nothing to the table but wild accusations.
You so readily accused me without knowing a thing about me
You know nothing at all about me but what you made up in your mind.

Then you post more conjecture and leave.

Ok darling, have a lovely day x

 

[Absolutely]

Depends on what kind of party , right ?

Exactly
I find it appalling that this forum sanctions hyper grace believers and at the same time allows attacks against charismatics.
Then people come in here and pretend nobody has any anti charismatic threads. "Oh you got a disorder if you think there are any attacks".."you got a complex clearly laid out my issue. My issue is in lumping ALL CHARISMATICS IN WITH A FEW CRAZIES.
I am FULLY AWARE THAT THE anti charismatic brethren here will never stop attacking.
That is a separate issue.
But lumping all charismatics as exactly like that is a lie.
They lie.

My thread title gets authenticated over and over.

Think about it.
How blind can people be?

 

[Absolutely]

Ok darling, have a lovely day x

You are not aware of my debate.
You have no idea of the dimension I am contending against.

 

[Moses_Young]

Again, that was what the animal sacrifice was for during the OT. Christ has not arrived yet, so there was no such thing as faith apart from works.

Okay.... So ignoring the fact that there was no animal sacrifice for a capital sin... In that you were supposed to be executed before and irrespective of any sacrifice made...

How can you claim that some were saved by faith in God *and* keeping the law, if clearly none of them could keep it, because they had all this animal sacrificing (for sin) to do?

 

[garee]

The Word plainly says what the fruit of the Spirit is .. Gifts of the Spirit are subject to the prophet and can be diverse ..

Yes prophecy comes in many manners to include tongues of all the nations of the world.

We walk by faith the unseen eternal. Not by sight. No such thing as a "sign gift" (gifts the eyes see) as if we walked by sight .Gifts like. . . . Did God really say.

Spiritual gifts the eternal are not seen .They are all actively working in all who believe sola scriptura .This is without the oral traditions of men like falling backward. A sign they designed which according the the scriptures shows they are mocking God , who in turn mocks them with mocking stammering lips. At Pentecost he brought his prophecy as the tongue of God and interpreted it in the language of all nation.


The foundation of the doctrine is found in Isiah 28. It must not be destroyed .Like David said; destroy the foundation of doctrines of God what could those who have been given a new tongue, do? He informs us of those sign and wonder seekers. Yet for all that they still make a noise without meaning and fall backward mocking God.

The law established in Isaiah 28 is revisited in 1 Corinthian 14: 22-23 they should be compared to each other

Note.... Red...The Holy Spirit . Green ....The living word prophecy as the tongue of God . Orange.. unbelievers faithless that mock God by falling backward.

In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sound to them:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured. Isaiah 28:12-13

They even call it proudly "slain in the spirit" to fulfill that prophecy of sign and wonderment seekers . But why?

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe1 Corinthian 14: 22-23

One the signs are shown for what they are for unbelievers the rest of the spiritual gifts unseen fall into place.

 

[Guojing]

Okay.... So ignoring the fact that there was no animal sacrifice for a capital sin... In that you were supposed to be executed before and irrespective of any sacrifice made...

How can you claim that some were saved by faith in God *and* keeping the law, if clearly none of them could keep it, because they had all this animal sacrificing (for sin) to do?

You show your faith by obeying what God commanded you to do.

Before the cross, God commanded one to be circumcised, keep the Law and sacrifice an animal every time you sin. How do you show you have faith in God? You do what he says

After the cross, God commands one to cease from all works and trust Jesus's death and resurrection. How do you show you have faith in God? You do what he says.

 

[bojack]

Yes prophecy comes in many manners to include tongues of all the nations of the world.

We walk by faith the unseen eternal. Not by sight. No such thing as a "sign gift" (gifts the eyes see) as if we walked by sight .Gifts like. . . . Did God really say.

Spiritual gifts the eternal are not seen .They are all actively working in all who believe sola scriptura .This is without the oral traditions of men like falling backward. A sign they designed which according the the scriptures shows they are mocking God , who in turn mocks them with mocking stammering lips. At Pentecost he brought his prophecy as the tongue of God and interpreted it in the language of all nation.


The foundation of the doctrine is found in Isiah 28. It must not be destroyed .Like David said; destroy the foundation of doctrines of God what could those who have been given a new tongue, do? He informs us of those sign and wonder seekers. Yet for all that they still make a noise without meaning and fall backward mocking God.

The law established in Isaiah 28 is revisited in 1 Corinthian 14: 22-23 they should be compared to each other

Note.... Red...The Holy Spirit . Green ....The living word prophecy as the tongue of God . Orange.. unbelievers faithless that mock God by falling backward.

In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sound to them:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured. Isaiah 28:12-13

They even call it proudly "slain in the spirit" to fulfill that prophecy of sign and wonderment seekers . But why?

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe1 Corinthian 14: 22-23

One the signs are shown for what they are for unbelievers the rest of the spiritual gifts unseen fall into place.

Garee how do you think you could explain something you haven't experienced, I can't even hardly explain it and I've experienced the things you speak against ..

 

[notuptome]

Yeah that verse is about all you got.
You have 3 ceasing.
Prophecy
Tongues
And knowledge.

So you have no prophecy, no tongues,and no knowledge in you or your teachers

I would say ditto.
You guys do not.
That verse was prophetic..irony of ironies.

Simple matter of your definitions not matching scripture. You need to align your self with the scripture not make scripture fit your behavioral patterns.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[hornetguy]

I find it appalling that this forum sanctions hyper grace believers and at the same time allows attacks against charismatics.

this forum does NOT sanction hyper-grace believers.... in fact, it is forbidden to even discuss it on this forum. Where do you get this stuff?

 

[wolfwint]

Exactly
I find it appalling that this forum sanctions hyper grace believers and at the same time allows attacks against charismatics.
Then people come in here and pretend nobody has any anti charismatic threads. "Oh you got a disorder if you think there are any attacks".."you got a complex clearly laid out my issue. My issue is in lumping ALL CHARISMATICS IN WITH A FEW CRAZIES.
I am FULLY AWARE THAT THE anti charismatic brethren here will never stop attacking.
That is a separate issue.
But lumping all charismatics as exactly like that is a lie.
They lie.

My thread title gets authenticated over and over.

Think about it.
How blind can people be?

You never asked me why I am against the pentecostal/charismatic doctrines. F.e. would you agree that childbaptism saves the child, ore to pray to Mary for to get Help?
I know charismatics who claimes they have the Holy Spirit and all the gifts. BUT defend the RCC theologie.
And you ask me why I am not agree?
This is only one point. But I can list it to you if you cant.
In the same way I would not agree, if someone claimes that only if you are covered with water in your waterbaptism are you Worth to take the Lords supper. If someone is baptised and be sprenkled because of his witness, he is no less worth to take the Lords supper.
And so you can find some strange doctrines in Christian churches.