First: it isn’t my Septuagint, second.. the most quotes are coming from the Septuagint, that is used in the OT.. Well, the KJV is a translation just as the Leeser ( Jewish translation OT) the Statenvertaling (Dutch) Naardense Vertaling (Dutch) the Lutheran (English, German, Dutch). And of course we can always look at the orginal text.. In Hebrew and Greek.. if you only are able to use your KJ or NIV, don’t accuse me of unable to debate.
I asked you if you would accept what is written in the KJV
Are you saying that unless a person reads the Greek and Hebrew texts they can have no true understanding of Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
Christianity is not about being a scholar, it is about the truth the Holy Spirit will reveal to a person who loves God and trusts in Christ in simple faith, but this for so many if they are honest is offensive
For man has to believe that with his human brilliance he can himself work out so much by deep study(and he convinces himself so often he is being led of the spirit in doing so)
And he ends up contradicting the plainest of statements in the Bible with this approach
yet to us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we in Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by Him.
All hemin heis theos ho pater ex hou ta panta kai hemeis eis auto kai heis kurius iesous christos die hou ta panta kai hemeis die auto.
Soo what is Paul telling: one God, heis theos, ho pater and one Lord heis kurious iesous christos So if that is true.. it isn’t possible that there are two Gods and two Lords.. I hope you agree with me. Because the part of the sentence is the same.. If Paul made a different between God of Kurios.. than we got some problem.. Because the NT said: that Father is the Lord.
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Well Christ is our Lord and Saviour, but also he was the God of Israel in the OT. I am afraid you try to dig too deeply into something you cannot fully understand
But for us there is but one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ
Let me put it this way
For us there is but one TRUE GOD
Again the tragedy of this is that man uses his academic mind to understand the spiritual, it cannot be done. Read 1 Cor ch 2
Than this sentence is impossible: Luc 1:32 He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David,
Why?? Because there is one Lord said Paul remember!!! Ohh and if you want to say… well when you read, you can read there is only one Lord Jesus Christ, that is written in 1Cor 8:6.. So there isn’t a problem that the God is kurios is too.. than it isn’t a problem that Jesus Christ is God too..
Well it is allowed to laugh. Because you made really funny moves to proof..
You are like so many others who delve so deeply into this and get nowhere
I have told you that Christ has the title God but is not the one TRUE GOD
Heb 1:8&9
The Father is the ONE TRUE GOD but is at times refered to the Lord God Almighty
There for us is one true God and one true Lord
Yes.. magic.. So you agree that the Word is Christ? Don’t play magic and read what there is written: The WORD WAS GOD.. and that all was in the beginning with God. AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH. When you accuse people that they have to read the Scripture you have to do it too.
Well as I don't profess perfect understanding and do not profess to interpret everything perfectly let us look at it from another point of view
As Christ was the God of Israel John is quite entitled as an Israelite to say Christ in one sense is God having the title God. And scripturally you cannot argue against that. And so this just becomes more confusion that you desperately try to understand with your academic mind and scholars, and you simply land in more trouble this way
We as Christians are not called to this kind of Christianity I assure you
Do you really think God wants you to spend so much of your time delving into this or doing the work he has called you to do?
What is your plan saved? You know that I don’t denie that.. are you going to try to made funny moves again? Where did I say the Christ isn’t the Word.. don’t do magic again doesn’t work here.
Well let me plainly write it a way you CANNOT scripturally argue against
In the begining was the word(Christ) and the word was with/besides God and the word was God(so who was the God of Israel in the OT) I can go over it with you if you wish.
And so you become ever consumed by one verse of scripture
Remember what John wrote after he had written this Gospel
No-one has seen God
1 John 4:12
So how can John believe Christ is the one true God? He cannot
Yes nobody seen God.. Isaiah didn’t and Ezekiel didn’t.. Jesus didn’t. Well in your only blind mind it is contradiction..
Now you are starting to be untruthful, why?
I have repeastedy quoted John 6:46 to you, please accept I have and please write accordingly
Nlo-one has seen the one true God
The Father is spirit and has never been seen by any HUMAN, do you disagree?
Because Christ said no-one has seen the Father, EXCEPT THE ONE WHO IS FROM GOD
And John says
no-one has seen God
So Christ and John must be refering to the same person
The Father, the one true God
Put the magic away and read it again..
Yes.. a lie.. from who?? Satan.. they know good and evil, but they were equal. Tell me is satan equal? No? You fall in the same trap as A&E..
Please reread what I wrote from Gen 3:5 KJV
I go back to the orginal translation.. et elohim(plural form from eloah)
And I will go to vs 26 And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
We can see here.. God is plural..
What are you trying to convince me of here
Christ was with the Father from the begining, so please do not try and convince me of what I already accept
Of course.. when you are doing some magic with verses to proof you self. Using eiseges and accuse ther.
I do not understand this comment
I asked you if you would accept what is written in the KJV
Are you saying that unless a person reads the Greek and Hebrew texts they can have no true understanding of Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
Christianity is not about being a scholar, it is about the truth the Holy Spirit will reveal to a person who loves God and trusts in Christ in simple faith, but this for so many if they are honest is offensive
For man has to believe that with his human brilliance he can himself work out so much by deep study(and he convinces himself so often he is being led of the spirit in doing so)
And he ends up contradicting the plainest of statements in the Bible with this approach
yet to us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we in Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by Him.
All hemin heis theos ho pater ex hou ta panta kai hemeis eis auto kai heis kurius iesous christos die hou ta panta kai hemeis die auto.
Soo what is Paul telling: one God, heis theos, ho pater and one Lord heis kurious iesous christos So if that is true.. it isn’t possible that there are two Gods and two Lords.. I hope you agree with me. Because the part of the sentence is the same.. If Paul made a different between God of Kurios.. than we got some problem.. Because the NT said: that Father is the Lord.
.
Well Christ is our Lord and Saviour, but also he was the God of Israel in the OT. I am afraid you try to dig too deeply into something you cannot fully understand
But for us there is but one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ
Let me put it this way
For us there is but one TRUE GOD
Again the tragedy of this is that man uses his academic mind to understand the spiritual, it cannot be done. Read 1 Cor ch 2
Than this sentence is impossible: Luc 1:32 He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David,
Why?? Because there is one Lord said Paul remember!!! Ohh and if you want to say… well when you read, you can read there is only one Lord Jesus Christ, that is written in 1Cor 8:6.. So there isn’t a problem that the God is kurios is too.. than it isn’t a problem that Jesus Christ is God too..
Well it is allowed to laugh. Because you made really funny moves to proof..
You are like so many others who delve so deeply into this and get nowhere
I have told you that Christ has the title God but is not the one TRUE GOD
Heb 1:8&9
The Father is the ONE TRUE GOD but is at times refered to the Lord God Almighty
There for us is one true God and one true Lord
Yes.. magic.. So you agree that the Word is Christ? Don’t play magic and read what there is written: The WORD WAS GOD.. and that all was in the beginning with God. AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH. When you accuse people that they have to read the Scripture you have to do it too.
Well as I don't profess perfect understanding and do not profess to interpret everything perfectly let us look at it from another point of view
As Christ was the God of Israel John is quite entitled as an Israelite to say Christ in one sense is God having the title God. And scripturally you cannot argue against that. And so this just becomes more confusion that you desperately try to understand with your academic mind and scholars, and you simply land in more trouble this way
We as Christians are not called to this kind of Christianity I assure you
Do you really think God wants you to spend so much of your time delving into this or doing the work he has called you to do?
What is your plan saved? You know that I don’t denie that.. are you going to try to made funny moves again? Where did I say the Christ isn’t the Word.. don’t do magic again doesn’t work here.
Well let me plainly write it a way you CANNOT scripturally argue against
In the begining was the word(Christ) and the word was with/besides God and the word was God(so who was the God of Israel in the OT) I can go over it with you if you wish.
And so you become ever consumed by one verse of scripture
Remember what John wrote after he had written this Gospel
No-one has seen God
1 John 4:12
So how can John believe Christ is the one true God? He cannot
Yes nobody seen God.. Isaiah didn’t and Ezekiel didn’t.. Jesus didn’t. Well in your only blind mind it is contradiction..
Now you are starting to be untruthful, why?
I have repeastedy quoted John 6:46 to you, please accept I have and please write accordingly
Nlo-one has seen the one true God
The Father is spirit and has never been seen by any HUMAN, do you disagree?
Because Christ said no-one has seen the Father, EXCEPT THE ONE WHO IS FROM GOD
And John says
no-one has seen God
So Christ and John must be refering to the same person
The Father, the one true God
Put the magic away and read it again..
Yes.. a lie.. from who?? Satan.. they know good and evil, but they were equal. Tell me is satan equal? No? You fall in the same trap as A&E..
Please reread what I wrote from Gen 3:5 KJV
I go back to the orginal translation.. et elohim(plural form from eloah)
And I will go to vs 26 And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
We can see here.. God is plural..
What are you trying to convince me of here
Christ was with the Father from the begining, so please do not try and convince me of what I already accept
Of course.. when you are doing some magic with verses to proof you self. Using eiseges and accuse ther.
I do not understand this comment