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Hebrew 6 was written to an audience of believing jews who were still sinning and not understanding that they had a HIGH PRIEST in the ORDER of MELCHJZADEK who mediates for them...that they did not and SHOULD NOT do anything in the physical temple that NEGLECTS THAT MESSAGE
Believing Hebrews had eternal life. the ones tempted to return to Judaism and animal sacrifice would remain forever lost with no chance of repentance. This is the exact road Dispensationalists are on now. It matters not if there ever is a temple or not. The hardcore already denied Christ by teaching it will happen in the future. The unlearned who listen to them still have a chance.
 
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Hebrew 6 was written to an audience of believing jews who were still sinning and not understanding that they had a HIGH PRIEST in the ORDER of MELCHJZADEK who mediates for them...that they did not and SHOULD NOT do anything in the physical temple that NEGLECTS THAT MESSAGE
Dave l is playing you.
Wants you and others to bite on his wild ridiculous baloney.
Put him on ignore.
It is the dog chasing his tail big time.
 
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Dave l is playing you.
Wants you and others to bite on his wild ridiculous baloney.
Put him on ignore.
It is the dog chasing his tail big time.
If you think animal sacrifices can atone for sin in the future, you think so now. And this is heresy in rejecting Christ and his shed blood on the cross. Hebrews 6 says those who do this are beyond salvation without hope.
 

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If you think animal sacrifices can atone for sin in the future, you think so now. And this is heresy in rejecting Christ and his shed blood on the cross. Hebrews 6 says those who do this are beyond salvation without hope.
Except HEBREWS is addressed to those who accept CHRIST...not to those who do not know their right from their wrong...who WILL indeed build a temple and WILL indeed reinstate animal sacrifices for the guilt of their sins...

Not believing and not understanding that there is an ETERNAL HIGH PRIEST and NO MAN can replace that position...
 
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Except HEBREWS is addressed to those who accept CHRIST...not to those who do not know their right from their wrong...who WILL indeed build a temple and WILL indeed reinstate animal sacrifices for the guilt of their sins...

Not believing and not understanding that there is an ETERNAL HIGH PRIEST and NO MAN can replace that position...
It applies to a third temple too where "Christians" trade Jesus and his shed blood for a pagan temple and animal sacrifice. This is a similar sin to Hebrews 6. When the early Hebrew "Christians" were warned not to return to Judaism which cannot be repented from.

Also, consider the biblical physical temple cannot be built because the dimensions are incomplete. Only God can build it and he tells us the Church and Jesus are the temple made without hands. You must deny this and add to his words to build a physical temple. = major sin.

Also, consider only the born again can see the present kingdom. That's why the Pharisees rejected Christ and still look for their millennial kingdom. So third temple talk is placing Phariseeism above Christ and the Church.
 
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Except HEBREWS is addressed to those who accept CHRIST...not to those who do not know their right from their wrong...who WILL indeed build a temple and WILL indeed reinstate animal sacrifices for the guilt of their sins...

Not believing and not understanding that there is an ETERNAL HIGH PRIEST and NO MAN can replace that position...
I would be careful how we hear or say we hear what the Spirit says to us. He gives us those hearing instructions revealing the things not seen hid from natural man using the things seen "the temporal". .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

We walk or understand Christ in us by that faith. Being yoked with him make the load lighter. It is easy for things to get turned upside down .The unbelieving Jew performed that with the oral traditions of kings and fathers taking way the understanding of faith from the Potter.

It appears to be what has happen with the use of the phrase "abomination of desolation". Some would seem to put a hope it will raise up for what some call the third pagan foundation. another demonstration again and again like those in Hebrews 6 over and over as if one demonstration was not enough.

We are the temple. We are the temple. . . always have been. We have the treasure, Christ in our corrupted earthen bodies of death . dead as a stone. the living hope in us .Not Christ is us. Eternal, life does not come from looking as bricks.

The idea of a third temple to replace the believers who are the temple is a abomination of desolation. No will be is.

The previous temple as abomination of desolate was made to no effect when God Jesus said it is finished and the veil was rent. The bible forbids idol worship of pagan temples. And it has nothing to do with fulfilling the prophecy of Melchezedek. In fact it supports the idea of no outward temple (pagan idol image)

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the (unseen) temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

God who is not a man does not live in temples made with corrupted human hands never did, never will .

That kind of idea came from the Pharisees with Sadaucesss to opposing sects putting aside their differences that tried to make the word of God to no effect . Joining forces as pagan kingdoms. . as a law of the fathers. (oral traditions of sinful men)

They serve a pagan foundation ."Out of sight out of mind". No faith needed .Just look and touch and receive a wonderment of pride as a false hope. The three avenues of the father of lies.... (all these things I will give you fall down and worship the bricks.)

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Why would a the Holy Spirit remove the old abomination of desolation and replace it with a new??

Its become clearer that those who look to build another abomination of desolation .( things seen standing in the unseen holy palace of God) have no idea what the words mean .Seeing the opposite is sought after by the sign and wonder seekers (no faith) . We have little the King of peace can increase.

No man can serve two masters .We either serve the unseen Holy Spirit (faith) . or we make it coming from God desolate and serve the flesh.

And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21:

Back to Genesis .The abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. = Did God say ? You shall surely not die.

The first recorded "abomination of desolation". Took away the walking ability's (understanding) of the beautiful creature Sssssssssssss.
 

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I would be careful how we hear or say we hear what the Spirit says to us. He gives us those hearing instructions revealing the things not seen hid from natural man using the things seen "the temporal". .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

We walk or understand Christ in us by that faith. Being yoked with him make the load lighter. It is easy for things to get turned upside down .The unbelieving Jew performed that with the oral traditions of kings and fathers taking way the understanding of faith from the Potter.

It appears to be what has happen with the use of the phrase "abomination of desolation". Some would seem to put a hope it will raise up for what some call the third pagan foundation. another demonstration again and again like those in Hebrews 6 over and over as if one demonstration was not enough.

We are the temple. We are the temple. . . always have been. We have the treasure, Christ in our corrupted earthen bodies of death . dead as a stone. the living hope in us .Not Christ is us. Eternal, life does not come from looking as bricks.

The idea of a third temple to replace the believers who are the temple is a abomination of desolation. No will be is.

The previous temple as abomination of desolate was made to no effect when God Jesus said it is finished and the veil was rent. The bible forbids idol worship of pagan temples. And it has nothing to do with fulfilling the prophecy of Melchezedek. In fact it supports the idea of no outward temple (pagan idol image)

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the (unseen) temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

God who is not a man does not live in temples made with corrupted human hands never did, never will .

That kind of idea came from the Pharisees with Sadaucesss to opposing sects putting aside their differences that tried to make the word of God to no effect . Joining forces as pagan kingdoms. . as a law of the fathers. (oral traditions of sinful men)

They serve a pagan foundation ."Out of sight out of mind". No faith needed .Just look and touch and receive a wonderment of pride as a false hope. The three avenues of the father of lies.... (all these things I will give you fall down and worship the bricks.)

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Why would a the Holy Spirit remove the old abomination of desolation and replace it with a new??

Its become clearer that those who look to build another abomination of desolation .( things seen standing in the unseen holy palace of God) have no idea what the words mean .Seeing the opposite is sought after by the sign and wonder seekers (no faith) . We have little the King of peace can increase.

No man can serve two masters .We either serve the unseen Holy Spirit (faith) . or we make it coming from God desolate and serve the flesh.

And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21:

Back to Genesis .The abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. = Did God say ? You shall surely not die.

The first recorded "abomination of desolation". Took away the walking ability's (understanding) of the beautiful creature Sssssssssssss.

You lack understanding, and SERIOUS STUDY.

We (ALL TRUE BELIEVERS OF ALL TIME) will be taken to Heaven's New City JERUSALEM, for the Wedding of the LAMB, sometime before the middle of the Antichrist's so-called SEVEN Year PEACE TREATY with Israel. Yes, the New City Jerusalem, will be lowered to the earth, but NOT UNTIL the New Heaven (Atmosphere) and New Earth come into Play at the end of the Millennial KINGDOM. That TEMPLE will be the center of WORSHIP HERE ON EARTH for the MORTALS, and there is A WHOLE LOT of Worship that goes ON in the TEMPLE, that never includes animal sacrifices. The SAVED INDIVIDUALS will be IMMORTAL, in our HOME, in the New City Jerusalem for OVER 1000 YEARS, before it is LOWERED TO THE EARTH. GOD WILL CONTINUE THE EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH ISRAEL HE STARTED HERE ON EARTH.


Genesis 17:7 (HCSB)
7 I will keep My covenant between Me and you, and your future offspring throughout their generations, as an everlasting covenant to be your God and the ⌊God⌋ of your offspring after you.

1 Chronicles 16:15-18 (HCSB)
15 Remember His covenant forever— the promise He ordained for a thousand generations, {Symbolized the Everlasting Covenant.}
16 ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
17 and confirmed to Jacob as a decree, and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
18 I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”

Isaiah 57:16 (HCSB)
16 For I will not accuse ⌊you⌋ forever,
and I will not always be angry;

for then the spirit would grow weak
before Me, even the breath ⌊of man⌋,
which I have made.

Jeremiah 3:12 (ESV)
12 Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and
say, “‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the LORD.
I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful,
declares the LORD; I will not be angry forever
.



You can go now, I DID NOT START THIS THREAD TO DEBATE PEOPLE WITH SILLY, OPPOSITE VIEWS.

Just a NEWS site for the Third Temple, and the Tabernacle of David.
 
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You lack understanding, and SERIOUS STUDY.

We (ALL TRUE BELIEVERS OF ALL TIME) will be taken to Heaven's New City JERUSALEM, for the Wedding of the LAMB, sometime before the middle of the Antichrist's so-called SEVEN Year PEACE TREATY with Israel. Yes, the New City Jerusalem, will be lowered to the earth, but NOT UNTIL the New Heaven (Atmosphere) and New Earth come into Play at the end of the Millennial KINGDOM. That TEMPLE will be the center of WORSHIP HERE ON EARTH for the MORTALS, and there is A WHOLE LOT of Worship that goes ON in the TEMPLE, that never includes animal sacrifices. The SAVED INDIVIDUALS will be IMMORTAL, in our HOME, in the New City Jerusalem for OVER 1000 YEARS, before it is LOWERED TO THE EARTH. GOD WILL CONTINUE THE EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH ISRAEL HE STARTED HERE ON EARTH.


Genesis 17:7 (HCSB)
7 I will keep My covenant between Me and you, and your future offspring throughout their generations, as an everlasting covenant to be your God and the ⌊God⌋ of your offspring after you.

1 Chronicles 16:15-18 (HCSB)
15 Remember His covenant forever— the promise He ordained for a thousand generations, {Symbolized the Everlasting Covenant.}
16 ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
17 and confirmed to Jacob as a decree, and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
18 I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”

Isaiah 57:16 (HCSB)
16 For I will not accuse ⌊you⌋ forever,
and I will not always be angry;

for then the spirit would grow weak
before Me, even the breath ⌊of man⌋,
which I have made.

Jeremiah 3:12 (ESV)
12 Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and
say, “‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the LORD.
I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful,
declares the LORD; I will not be angry forever
.



You can go now, I DID NOT START THIS THREAD TO DEBATE PEOPLE WITH SILLY, OPPOSITE VIEWS.

Just a NEWS site for the Third Temple, and the Tabernacle of David.
What you are missing, The Church is Israel and we are the subjects of the Covenant.

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)
 
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What you are missing, The Church is Israel and we are the subjects of the Covenant.

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)
No division in the body .

Remember all Israel are not born again Israel as the one bride.

All words have meaning assigned by the author. to include Israel and Christian (the one bride) . he warns us in Deuteronomy 4 not to add meaning to a word (single).It can change the outcome and take away the understanding of the finger of God . The bible protects the integrity of the author.

The church as the spirutl house of God made up of many lively stones has always been Israel. The bride of Christ who wrestles with the things of the flesh and has the Spirt of Christ in their earthen bodies of death and therefore overcomes.

Israel previously was named Jacob a word with intended meaning. . " the deceiver" one who does wrestles against flesh and blood (grasping the heel of His brother Esau and does not overcome . Great picture of the gospel that does give us the power to over come yoked with him
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Genesis 32:27-29 King James Version (KJV) And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

The blood cries out from the ground of the first apostle Abel sent with prophecy. He was murdered by his faithless brother . The first murder of the father of lies. . a murderer from that beginning. Abel the first recorded martyr as a member of the bride. .

God renamed her in Acts to a more befitting name "residents of a city prepared as His bride". Named her after her founder like any city endings in " ian'" denoting residents . Christian is the one new name of His bride. That he named her. Some attribute that to the father of lies. Destroying the beauty of the new name.

Could you think of a more fitting name for the bride previously called Israel?

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
 
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No division in the body .

Remember all Israel are not born again Israel as the one bride.

All words have meaning assigned by the author. to include Israel and Christian (the one bride) . he warns us in Deuteronomy 4 not to add meaning to a word (single).It can change the outcome and take away the understanding of the finger of God . The bible protects the integrity of the author.

The church as the spirutl house of God made up of many lively stones has always been Israel. The bride of Christ who wrestles with the things of the flesh and has the Spirt of Christ in their earthen bodies of death and therefore overcomes.

Israel previously was named Jacob a word with intended meaning. . " the deceiver" one who does wrestles against flesh and blood (grasping the heel of His brother Esau and does not overcome . Great picture of the gospel that does give us the power to over come yoked with him
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Genesis 32:27-29 King James Version (KJV) And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

The blood cries out from the ground of the first apostle Abel sent with prophecy. He was murdered by his faithless brother . The first murder of the father of lies. . a murderer from that beginning. Abel the first recorded martyr as a member of the bride. .

God renamed her in Acts to a more befitting name "residents of a city prepared as His bride". Named her after her founder like any city endings in " ian'" denoting residents . Christian is the one new name of His bride. That he named her. Some attribute that to the father of lies. Destroying the beauty of the new name.

Could you think of a more fitting name for the bride previously called Israel?

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Jesus removed the unbelievers when he abolished circumcision.
 
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Jesus removed the unbelievers when he abolished circumcision.
The shadow of circumcision disappeared when the glorious light of the gospel came.

Circumcision is a sign to the world of the first born.

Our bloody husband Christ suffering beforehand and revealed the promised glory the graves were opened. . The shadow was fulfilled when the time of reformation had come .

The veil which represents flesh is rent signifying the circummsion sign of the first born as our bloody husband was finished when Jesus said; "It is finished" .The veil representing the fore flesh was torn from the top to the bottom .
 

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No division in the body .

Remember all Israel are not born again Israel as the one bride.

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The CORRECT INTERPRETATION is: The separation lies between the BLOODLINE Jews that HAVE the FAITH OF ABRAHAM, and THOSE WHO DID NOT HAVE THAT FAITH. IT IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT BLOODLINE JEWS.

SALVATION, CAME TO THE JEWS the SAME WAY it DOES in the NEW TESTAMENT. Bloodline Jews who had the Faith of Abraham, which is THOSE who absolutely Believe because of the Ram that GOD PROVIDED, which it only a Temporary Sacrifice for SIN, THEN GOD COULD BE TRUSTED FOR THE MESSIAH TO PERMANENTLY PAY FOR THEIR SINS.

AND THOSE BLOODLINE JEWS WITHOUT THAT FAITH, HAD NO RIGHT TO CLAIM TO BE OF ISRAEL, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE THAT ABOVE FAITH.


AND NEVER EVER DO GENTILE BELIEVERS BECOME part of ISRAEL. Grafted IN does not mean you become ISRAEL, any more than Grafted IN English Walnuts, EVER BECOME BLACK WALNUTS:

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There are a ENGLISH WALNUT Groves in California. NOTICE THE BLACK WALNUT TRUNKS. They do that because Black Walnut Trunks have deeper Roots (more water), and Black Walnuts are more disease resistant, and are more resistant to bugs and worms that burl into the Root System. NEVER DO THE BRANCHES EVER PRODUCE BLACK WALNUT NUTS. And never does a Gentile Believer become part of ISRAEL. You have misinterpreted that.


DID GOD SAVE the O.T. Fold the same way HE does the N.T. Fold ? ? ?

Malachi 3:6 (NCV)
6 I the LORD do not change.
So you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.

So HE saved O.T. Believers the SAME WAY HE saves N.T. Believers.



When did the LORD actually SAY when the TWO FOLDS WILL BE PUT TOGETHER as ONE FLOCK ? ? ?

NOT UNTIL THE CALLING OUT OF BRIDE at the END OF THE CHURCH AGE!


John 10:16 (HCSB)
16 But I have other sheep {HE is talking to the last of the O.T. Fold.} that are not of this fold {HE is referring to the N.T. Fold, that does not start until Pentecost after HIS Ascension, and has to be COMPLETED BEFORE the TWO FOLDS WILL BECOME ONE FLOCK.} ; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock, one Shephard.

So much for your SELF TAUGHT THEORY! YOU SERIOUSLY NEED TO GET INTO A VERY GOOD BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH, PREFERABLY EVANGELICAL STYLE, AND BE TAUGHT WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ACTUALLY MEAN, FOR A VERY LONG TIME. YOUR SELF TAUGHT METHOD HAS BECOME A TOTAL FAILURE.

If you cannot do that:

Take your self-made False Teaching and GO ELSEWHERE.
 

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What you are missing, The Church is Israel and we are the subjects of the Covenant.

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)

Your extremely faulty THEOLOGY, is an ABSOLUTE JOKE.

WHY HAVE YOU NOT STARTED YOUR OWN THREAD ? ? ?

Oh yeah! Then you would realize that Absolutely NO ONE ELSE would even Want to Come to your thread.
 
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Your extremely faulty THEOLOGY, is an ABSOLUTE JOKE.

WHY HAVE YOU NOT STARTED YOUR OWN THREAD ? ? ?

Oh yeah! Then you would realize that Absolutely NO ONE ELSE would even Want to Come to your thread.
Insults = having nothing to prove what you say is true.
 
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Jesus removed the unbelievers when he abolished circumcision.
Not sure what you mean by abolished circumcision? Did you mean the shadow was made to no effect when our bloody husband said "it is finished"?
 
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You lack understanding, and SERIOUS STUDY.

We (ALL TRUE BELIEVERS OF ALL TIME) will be taken to Heaven's New City JERUSALEM, for the Wedding of the LAMB, sometime before the middle of the Antichrist's so-called SEVEN Year PEACE TREATY with Israel. Yes, the New City Jerusalem, will be lowered to the earth, but NOT UNTIL the New Heaven (Atmosphere) and New Earth come into Play at the end of the Millennial KINGDOM. That TEMPLE will be the center of WORSHIP HERE ON EARTH for the MORTALS, and there is A WHOLE LOT of Worship that goes ON in the TEMPLE, that never includes animal sacrifices. The SAVED INDIVIDUALS will be IMMORTAL, in our HOME, in the New City Jerusalem for OVER 1000 YEARS, before it is LOWERED TO THE EARTH. GOD WILL CONTINUE THE EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH ISRAEL HE STARTED HERE ON EARTH.


Genesis 17:7 (HCSB)
7 I will keep My covenant between Me and you, and your future offspring throughout their generations, as an everlasting covenant to be your God and the ⌊God⌋ of your offspring after you.

1 Chronicles 16:15-18 (HCSB)
15 Remember His covenant forever— the promise He ordained for a thousand generations, {Symbolized the Everlasting Covenant.}
16 ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
17 and confirmed to Jacob as a decree, and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
18 I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”

Isaiah 57:16 (HCSB)
16 For I will not accuse ⌊you⌋ forever,
and I will not always be angry;

for then the spirit would grow weak
before Me, even the breath ⌊of man⌋,
which I have made.

Jeremiah 3:12 (ESV)
12 Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and
say, “‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the LORD.
I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful,
declares the LORD; I will not be angry forever
.



You can go now, I DID NOT START THIS THREAD TO DEBATE PEOPLE WITH SILLY, OPPOSITE VIEWS.

Just a NEWS site for the Third Temple, and the Tabernacle of David.
We are the temple not made with human hands. Christ in us. We walk by faith the unseen eternal . The 20/20 prescription below is required if we are to rightly divide .Compare the spiritual unseen understanding to the same eternal called a parable . Only then can we we look into the dark glass of parables and discover the hidden meaning. or hidden Manna .

It would seem those who walk by sight after the temporal have no desire to find the gospel with the gospel . But develop their own by altering the meaning of a word (singular) It changes the meaning of the whole. Just one word is all it takes to make the understanding of Christ without effect..

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

God is not a man. Silly to think he could be .

When a person begins with a preconceived idea "the thoughts of others". They end up with the same.

Words and names have meaning attached by the author. Destroy the meaning of one word. . destroy the foundation of the doctrine.

The commandment is to not add meaning to a word singular .(Deuteronomy 4) Or to the whole now that we have the perfect, A different warning( Revelation 22) .Together they protect the integrity of the one author .

It is never about the corrupted flesh of one nation against the corrupted flesh of another.

Remember Abel is the first mentioned as a member of the bride of Christ the church . First recorded martyr who was sent as a apostle with the gospel. Cain the atheists murdered his brother revealing the foundation of those who know not Christ . "no faith" .Out of sight out of mind. Plowed Abel under the lower 4

Christian do not wrestles against flesh and blood with out the aid of Christ working in us . We are the temple .

The bride Christian with no other meaning added. "residents of the heavenly city named after her husband Christ" She was renamed previously named by God, Israel, as the bride.

The word name Israel defines those do wrestle against flesh and blood (there sin nature) identified by the word Jacob. He at birth as a parable was grapping the heel of the his brother the first born . and do overcome having the treasure of His power in the bodies of death . if we are not to define the words ,then anything goes .

Its easy to see that some error and try and create two brides. Having different names.

The outward Jew is used in ceremonial laws as shadows to represent unredeemed mankind . Just as a inward Jew born of the Spirit and her new name Christian. Our Father named her.

I would say if there is a problem with the name of the bride, Christian. Then those need to take it up with our Father who did name His bride.

Genesis 32:27-28 King James Version (KJV) And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
 
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Not sure what you mean by abolished circumcision? Did you mean the shadow was made to no effect when our bloody husband said "it is finished"?
God established Circumcision as a mark (think Mark of the Beast as a negative example) of membership in Abraham's seed. Later called Israel. Made up of few believers and many unbelievers. When the true seed, Jesus, arrived, God abolished circumcision leaving only Believing Israel also called the Christian Church or Body of Christ.
 
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God established Circumcision as a mark (think Mark of the Beast as a negative example) of membership in Abraham's seed. Later called Israel. Made up of few believers and many unbelievers. When the true seed, Jesus, arrived, God abolished circumcision leaving only Believing Israel also called the Christian Church or Body of Christ.
The mark of Cain is not a literal mark . It represent the word of God in Genesis 4 .( mark my word it will come to pass you will suffer with no rest coming from the gospel ) .Death a living hell .

God establish circummsion as a outward sign or shadow of the first born our "bloody husband" .This is performed as the suffering beforehand according to the parable in Exodus 4 .The gospel hid from the non redeemed.

Twice to emphasize it is a shadow he uses the term "bloody husband.'(Christ)

All of the ceremonial laws follow after the things not seen ( faith).

Jesus in the last days brought them into view.

Some it would seem are looking for another outward demonstration of the corrupted flesh and blood suffering . None is given. Only one was promised.

Exodus 4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

The veil representing the foreskin of Christ has been rent from the top ( 70 feet) to the earthen soil. (inspired from heaven) where corrupted flesh returns to.

It is given witness to in 1 Peter 1.Revealing they received the end of their new born again faith from the first hearing just as us we look back they looked ahead by the same faith that did dwell in them

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1 Peter1: 9-11

In that way a person cannot get literal blood out a shadows. The two parables must be compared if we are to seek the approval of God. Then we can find the gospel of hope.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man 1 Corinthians 2: 11-15
 

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Dave l is playing you.
Wants you and others to bite on his wild ridiculous baloney.
Put him on ignore.
It is the dog chasing his tail big time.
You are right.
I've had that one on ignore for a while now. It seems to be the best way to avoid the endless argument.
I will not tolerate that supersessionist theology. It's a dangerous folly.
If the dire warnings directly from the Apostle Paul in Romans 11 aren't enough to convict him, what chance do I have?
 
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The mark of Cain is not a literal mark . It represent the word of God in Genesis 4 .( mark my word it will come to pass you will suffer with no rest coming from the gospel ) .Death a living hell .

God establish circummsion as a outward sign or shadow of the first born our "bloody husband" .This is performed as the suffering beforehand according to the parable in Exodus 4 .The gospel hid from the non redeemed.

Twice to emphasize it is a shadow he uses the term "bloody husband.'(Christ)

All of the ceremonial laws follow after the things not seen ( faith).

Jesus in the last days brought them into view.

Some it would seem are looking for another outward demonstration of the corrupted flesh and blood suffering . None is given. Only one was promised.

Exodus 4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

The veil representing the foreskin of Christ has been rent from the top ( 70 feet) to the earthen soil. (inspired from heaven) where corrupted flesh returns to.

It is given witness to in 1 Peter 1.Revealing they received the end of their new born again faith from the first hearing just as us we look back they looked ahead by the same faith that did dwell in them

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1 Peter1: 9-11

In that way a person cannot get literal blood out a shadows. The two parables must be compared if we are to seek the approval of God. Then we can find the gospel of hope.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man 1 Corinthians 2: 11-15
The point is, abolishing circumcision removed unbelievers from Israel.