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Your arguments have already been refuted in post #19 and elsewhere.
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/that-hebrews-10v26-thread.189675/
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/that-hebrews-10v26-thread.189675/
You’re making excuses for driving at a higher rate of speed then allotted. Speed kills. Just because other people sin in the same manner doesn’t mean you should join them.
What will be your excuse God forbid you ever have an accident and it is your excessive speed that attributes to someone else being injured?
What will be your excuse God forbid you ever have an accident and it is your excessive speed that attributes to someone else being injured?
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@Judges1318, why do you believe God would save people and then unsave them? Do you believe God knows everything and that he knows who are His ( see 2 Timothy 2:19)?
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Wrong again.
A saving faith isn't about meeting some quota, it is about whom you place your faith in.
(Belief in, trust in, confidence in, loyalty/ fidelity to)
Those who believe in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, will be born again.
You deny the ability of the Savior to save.
A saving faith isn't about meeting some quota, it is about whom you place your faith in.
(Belief in, trust in, confidence in, loyalty/ fidelity to)
Those who believe in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, will be born again.
You deny the ability of the Savior to save.
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Because we’re human beings, made in the image of God yet in need of a Savior. A Savior who’s grace covers all sins throughout one’s life. A savior who’s gifts are irrevocable.
You give yourself credit for your salvation while not giving Jesus Christ the credit He should receive ~~ all of it.
You give yourself credit for your salvation while not giving Jesus Christ the credit He should receive ~~ all of it.
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Not even close.
Reformed theologians of the centuries decided the person sanctified by the blood couldn't possibly be a believer because they conclude beforehand that since osas is true it can't be a believer. That's the famous circular reasoning of osas doctrine.
So, to avoid the obvious contextual definition of the sanctified person given right there in Hebrews 10, they picked out an example of a sanctified unbeliever (not sanctified by the blood) and said that's what it must be talking about because osas is true and it can't be anything else.
Besides that definition of the sanctified person defying what the passage itself says is the sanctified person, there is no such thing as a sanctified, fake unbeliever set apart by God as clean for the church. The Bible plainly tells us they are unclean, not sanctified, and are to be removed from the congregation:
"9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—
11But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister c but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” - 1 Corinthians 5:9,11,13
14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial b ? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
17Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.” - 2 Corinthians 6:14-15,17
So your sanctified person in Hebrews 10:29 doesn't even exist! God doesn't sanctify (set apart as clean) fake believers in the church. Reformed theologians, who should know better, invented a sanctified person in the church that doesn't even exist! And they did it to avoid the obvious non-osas message of Hebrews 10. Shame on them. They have led millions astray.
Reformed theologians of the centuries decided the person sanctified by the blood couldn't possibly be a believer because they conclude beforehand that since osas is true it can't be a believer. That's the famous circular reasoning of osas doctrine.
So, to avoid the obvious contextual definition of the sanctified person given right there in Hebrews 10, they picked out an example of a sanctified unbeliever (not sanctified by the blood) and said that's what it must be talking about because osas is true and it can't be anything else.
Besides that definition of the sanctified person defying what the passage itself says is the sanctified person, there is no such thing as a sanctified, fake unbeliever set apart by God as clean for the church. The Bible plainly tells us they are unclean, not sanctified, and are to be removed from the congregation:
"9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—
11But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister c but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” - 1 Corinthians 5:9,11,13
14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial b ? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
17Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.” - 2 Corinthians 6:14-15,17
So your sanctified person in Hebrews 10:29 doesn't even exist! God doesn't sanctify (set apart as clean) fake believers in the church. Reformed theologians, who should know better, invented a sanctified person in the church that doesn't even exist! And they did it to avoid the obvious non-osas message of Hebrews 10. Shame on them. They have led millions astray.
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Even if it was out of narcissistic arrogance, and not because of a willful disregard and a trampling on and abuse of the Spirit of grace, it's covered under the blood and his Dad will deal with it.
The only reason anyone should be defensive about this is if they are purposely tramping on the Blood and abusing the Spirit of grace.
Do you ever sin that way?
I don't think you do, but if you do, or any of us do, we got something to worry about.
This new osas deceives people into thinking they can sin that way.
It's very, very dangerous theology.
This isn't just another theological dispute.
At least the old osas defended the necessity to live holy and not sin.
The new osas says it doesn't matter in the least bit to your salvation.
That's just not true.
The only reason anyone should be defensive about this is if they are purposely tramping on the Blood and abusing the Spirit of grace.
Do you ever sin that way?
I don't think you do, but if you do, or any of us do, we got something to worry about.
This new osas deceives people into thinking they can sin that way.
It's very, very dangerous theology.
This isn't just another theological dispute.
At least the old osas defended the necessity to live holy and not sin.
The new osas says it doesn't matter in the least bit to your salvation.
That's just not true.
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Don't you mean "keep believing sec by sec with all your power and might in Christ"
This is not believing in Christ actually because it denies His complete response to the one act of belief.
You are very disingenuous you know that, you change your argument all the time. At least I am consistent.
You have yet to come to terms with John 3:1-21 and you never will.
One physical birth. Done ..... no being unbirthed
One spiritual birth. Done ..... no being unbirthed
This is not believing in Christ actually because it denies His complete response to the one act of belief.
You are very disingenuous you know that, you change your argument all the time. At least I am consistent.
You have yet to come to terms with John 3:1-21 and you never will.
One physical birth. Done ..... no being unbirthed
One spiritual birth. Done ..... no being unbirthed
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