Three Gods or one? Explain the Trinity.
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the 6,000 Demons I said were spirits inside the man, not persons. But I am not saying the Bible is wrong. Just asking how can 6,000 persons be inside the man when it is possible for 6,000 spirits.
And the Mary comment was IMMEDIATELY after giving birth to Jesus and before Joseph knew her, she was still a virgin.
You did not say that you said
But he is not related to anyone of us by natural birth. Mary was still a virgin after Jesus was born. WAs your Mom still a virgin after your birth, my Mom was not!
If you can't see how your comment was not left for one to think "immediately" being born, that is on you.
So again I will place you on ignore so I don't see your post anymore God bless were done.
But he is not related to anyone of us by natural birth. Mary was still a virgin after Jesus was born. WAs your Mom still a virgin after your birth, my Mom was not!
If you can't see how your comment was not left for one to think "immediately" being born, that is on you.
So again I will place you on ignore so I don't see your post anymore God bless were done.
I believe anyone that we can fully understand and explain is not someone we should worship. He is a diety, and His thoughts are not ours.
I think many here have given you the idea or concept of the trinity. One day it will be more perfectly clear. Until then, I believe the simplest way to understand is...
they are One, working together.
I think many here have given you the idea or concept of the trinity. One day it will be more perfectly clear. Until then, I believe the simplest way to understand is...
they are One, working together.
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you know when you start accusing people of being in some cult it makes you look not so good, it makes you look desperate. the idea of me being a Mormon is pretty crazy, i am from arkansas and my dad is apache, the Mormons were notorious bigits, they murdered a wagon train from arkansas and blamed it on native americans.
i have the Father as the creator, Jesus may have had a part in it, i have no problem believing that, but Jesus said time and time again that His works were not his own but the power of the Father working through Him.
i have the Father as the creator, Jesus may have had a part in it, i have no problem believing that, but Jesus said time and time again that His works were not his own but the power of the Father working through Him.
That's the point, I don't think the Bible is at odds with that explanation. To be fair though, that explanation was formatted in the 1st Century, some 1500 years before the KJV Bible was ever written. I love that explanation because it shows them all as Spirit. Even Jesus in John 4 says, that God is a Spirit. I don't see why we need anything else but how Jesus claimed it.
Like you said to me before "is believed to have" is man's opinion 
The Jews are a funny bunch, a prideful nation and it is more likely than not that they red the Hebrew scrolls. There was no Bible in those days and only the very rich could afford all the scrolls because it took a lot of sheep to create one Tanakh. They also teach Torah from a very young age and the Pharisees and Sadducees would have been taught in the Jewish ways. We can't even argue that. We also see when Jesus red from the Bible it was a scroll. In those days you had to go to the temple to read and the rest was taught by word of mouth, easy then to come to a conclusion that it happened in Hebrew.
Just out of interest sake, do you know of any Septuagint that was found that could be that old? They did some carbon dating on the very old Torah scrolls and to my knowledge it is the oldest written documents ever found (10 000 years by carbon dating standards ).
Thank you for the interesting conversation.
God bless brother
The Jews are a funny bunch, a prideful nation and it is more likely than not that they red the Hebrew scrolls. There was no Bible in those days and only the very rich could afford all the scrolls because it took a lot of sheep to create one Tanakh. They also teach Torah from a very young age and the Pharisees and Sadducees would have been taught in the Jewish ways. We can't even argue that. We also see when Jesus red from the Bible it was a scroll. In those days you had to go to the temple to read and the rest was taught by word of mouth, easy then to come to a conclusion that it happened in Hebrew.
Just out of interest sake, do you know of any Septuagint that was found that could be that old? They did some carbon dating on the very old Torah scrolls and to my knowledge it is the oldest written documents ever found (10 000 years by carbon dating standards
). Thank you for the interesting conversation.
God bless brother
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Like you said to me before "is believed to have" is man's opinion
The Jews are a funny bunch, a prideful nation and it is more likely than not that they red the Hebrew scrolls. There was no Bible in those days and only the very rich could afford all the scrolls because it took a lot of sheep to create one Tanakh. They also teach Torah from a very young age and the Pharisees and Sadducees would have been taught in the Jewish ways. We can't even argue that. We also see when Jesus red from the Bible it was a scroll. In those days you had to go to the temple to read and the rest was taught by word of mouth, easy then to come to a conclusion that it happened in Hebrew.
Just out of interest sake, do you know of any Septuagint that was found that could be that old? They did some carbon dating on the very old Torah scrolls and to my knowledge it is the oldest written documents ever found (10 000 years by carbon dating standards ).
Thank you for the interesting conversation.
God bless brother
The Jews are a funny bunch, a prideful nation and it is more likely than not that they red the Hebrew scrolls. There was no Bible in those days and only the very rich could afford all the scrolls because it took a lot of sheep to create one Tanakh. They also teach Torah from a very young age and the Pharisees and Sadducees would have been taught in the Jewish ways. We can't even argue that. We also see when Jesus red from the Bible it was a scroll. In those days you had to go to the temple to read and the rest was taught by word of mouth, easy then to come to a conclusion that it happened in Hebrew.
Just out of interest sake, do you know of any Septuagint that was found that could be that old? They did some carbon dating on the very old Torah scrolls and to my knowledge it is the oldest written documents ever found (10 000 years by carbon dating standards
).Thank you for the interesting conversation.
God bless brother
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Matthew 15:9 (KJV): "But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men.
Isaiah 29:13 (KJV – MZ)
Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Isaiah 29:13 (LXX):
13 And the Lord has said, This people draw nigh to me with their mouth, and they honour me with their lips, but their heart is far from me: but in vain do they worship me, teaching the commandments and doctrines of men.
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James 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Proverbs 3:34 (KJV - MZ)
"Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly."
Proverbs 3:34 (LXX):
"The Lord resists the proud; but he gives grace to the humble."
the LXX is close to verbatim while the MZ is not even close.
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im pretty sure that every protestant bible uses MZ. in the case of the KJV it uses the bishops bible, bishops bible uses MZ.
but! there are several prophetic passages concerning the Christ that the MZ got pretty bad and forced the KJV and others to go back to the LXX.
Psalm 22 16
KJV
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
MZ
For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers has encompassed me, like a lion, my hands and feet.
LXX
For many dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked doers has beset me round: they pierced my hands and my feet.
when you remove the "pierced" hands and feet you remove the messionic meaning of the passage.
the DSS has the "pierced" hands and feet, and there is no "lion".
but! there are several prophetic passages concerning the Christ that the MZ got pretty bad and forced the KJV and others to go back to the LXX.
Psalm 22 16
KJV
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
MZ
For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers has encompassed me, like a lion, my hands and feet.
LXX
For many dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked doers has beset me round: they pierced my hands and my feet.
when you remove the "pierced" hands and feet you remove the messionic meaning of the passage.
the DSS has the "pierced" hands and feet, and there is no "lion".
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