Why did the Jews not recognise Jesus?
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They did not recognize him in the OT either. Only those born again recognize him, even today. But most worship their idea of what they think he should be instead.
It is because the jews did not actually believe in the Old Testament. They had created their own traditions and doctrines which remain today known as Judaism. Contrary to popular misconception, the followers of Judaism do not believe in the Old Testament nor the Torah, but they follow the heresies that their wicked fathers and they themselves made. For this cause even one person will accuse them to God, this person is Moses.
The whole chapter of John 5 is themed around this disparity in the jews' disbelief in Jesus and what the Old Testament scriptures say, and how they made up their own traditions, but since it is too long to post in full here, here is an excerpt:
John 5:39-47
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
The whole chapter of John 5 is themed around this disparity in the jews' disbelief in Jesus and what the Old Testament scriptures say, and how they made up their own traditions, but since it is too long to post in full here, here is an excerpt:
John 5:39-47
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Do you think many modern Churches, with their own traditions, doctrines and cultures would recognise Jesus?
No, I think it is pretty clear that they are repeating the mistakes of the fallen jews. Many of the heresies that they indulge in are even curiously forewarned about in the prophecy of the Apocalypse.
Thinking deep? Or simply rehashing questions that have been posted here so very many times?
Jesus did not present Himself in the Old Testament............GOD presented Himself. Now, given that God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Ghost are Three Persons in One, the Holy Trinity...............it could be argued, but not well.
God the Father presented Himself in the Old/First Testament because the time for God the Son (Christ) had not yet come.
Given the number of Threads you have put up lately, and given the Subjects of the Threads, I'm inclined to think you may be bordering on trolling...........
Are you gender confused?
I lived in Europe for many years, and I assure you men do not speak to other men the way you are.........just wondering
The prophecies the Jews held to in anticipation of Messiah was that which told of a conqueror, a warrior, that would set them free of their captors again. That Jesus was a soft spoken rabbi and healer who fed the hungry and taught love of one's enemy as well as neighbor , did not fit the narrative.
The Anticipation of Israel's Messiah
If you are genuinely here to seek answers in your budding faith in our Lord, ask any question in that regard that you wish.
Sometimes it is easier to make one thread and ask a number of questions there. People are then able to take your query point for point and answer accordingly.
Questions regarding scripture are of course expected in Bible Discussion Forum.
Jesus was prophecied to be rejected and sacrificed. It was ordained this way since the beginning. There is such thing as predestinstion in the Bible and such thing as free will, too, sometimes as far as I can tell.
As far as I can tell no one is actually controlled like a puppet to do the things they do, but God has the foresight to know what someone will do on whatever course they are traveling in life. Nudging someone with a little encouragement or discipline can change their destiny and I do think God does that sometimes.
As far as I can tell no one is actually controlled like a puppet to do the things they do, but God has the foresight to know what someone will do on whatever course they are traveling in life. Nudging someone with a little encouragement or discipline can change their destiny and I do think God does that sometimes.
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i would say they did recognize Him. John the baptist, the 12, st Paul, the crowds that followed Him everywhere, all Jewish.
Mark 3:7-8
Jesus withdrew to the sea with His disciples; and a great multitude from Galilee followed; and also from Judea, and from Jerusalem, and from Idumea, and beyond the Jordan, and the vicinity of Tyre and Sidon, a great number of people heard of all that He was doing and came to Him.
sounds like Jews from every little crook and cranny in the regions were coming out to see Jesus.
Its called "TUNNEL VISION" the same thing many people have today on varied subjects like the Rapture. They can't see what is, IMHO, is obvious because people's own understandings get in the way and give them tunnel vision.
The Pharisees, teachers etc. all taught that a Conquering King was coming, so they looked for that, but refused to accept the fact that a Suffering Servant was also described as coming, therefore they discounted reality for what the HOPED FOR. Likewise today people think they understand the Rapture and eschatology, most don't really, and are not called to eschatology. That is why we get all the erroneous teachings on the Rapture and eschatology.
It is important to our understanding of the Lord that we each, individually think through this question. Each Jew, at that time, identified himself with a religious group and accepted the teaching of that group. If these teachings were threatened, they felt threatened.
Each of us need help with understanding scripture. It is so simple the simplest minds can grasp it for it is only in accepting Christ and His ways and forgiveness. It is also so involved that we can spend a lifetime centered on understanding the ways of the Lord. So each of us turns to other men who have studied, and that is a very dangerous thing to do. Man's logic is not the same as the truth of the Lord.
I am using three men to help me learn the ways of the Lord: Tom Bradford, Adam Spears and John Klein. I check these men constantly to be sure they are only thinking and reasoning by the word, nothing else. Each has spent many years in the word, I need their knowledge of that word. Not their personal knowledge but the knowledge of God. But it is a dangerous thing to do and takes constant checking. The Lord and His ways must be the only goal, and we must be eager and ready to toss out anything but the Lord. So I toss out any of their ideas and learn of the word from them always checking the word as my foremost trainer.
The Jews put their organization the belonged to first., not God.
Each of us need help with understanding scripture. It is so simple the simplest minds can grasp it for it is only in accepting Christ and His ways and forgiveness. It is also so involved that we can spend a lifetime centered on understanding the ways of the Lord. So each of us turns to other men who have studied, and that is a very dangerous thing to do. Man's logic is not the same as the truth of the Lord.
I am using three men to help me learn the ways of the Lord: Tom Bradford, Adam Spears and John Klein. I check these men constantly to be sure they are only thinking and reasoning by the word, nothing else. Each has spent many years in the word, I need their knowledge of that word. Not their personal knowledge but the knowledge of God. But it is a dangerous thing to do and takes constant checking. The Lord and His ways must be the only goal, and we must be eager and ready to toss out anything but the Lord. So I toss out any of their ideas and learn of the word from them always checking the word as my foremost trainer.
The Jews put their organization the belonged to first., not God.
Gideon requested for signs and wonders from the Angel of the Lord, before he would believe it was indeed God who appeared to him (Judges 6:17)
Not walking or understanding God by faith that comes by hearing. But rather looking for a fleshly God.
They did not apply the prescription of faith that God has given us so that we might seek his unseen approval needed for rightly dividing the historically true parables that reveal the gospel beforehand . Certain faithless Jews like Esau saw no value in believing in a God not seen . Jesus called them fools as atheist's, no God in hard hearts. No desire to know him
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
