1Corinthians 13: 13. Why is Charity greater than Faith or Hope ?

[John146]

though thinking on this, the word charity it’s possible I think that it can be misplaced, like say a town holds a charity event for the local popular bar that got burnt down so they can rebuild, is that really a honorable charity.

That’s not biblical charity, but man made charity. In the Bible, love can put towards wrong things, things that bring forth sin. Charity cannot.

 

[Dino246]

The KJV will define itself. No other version can claim this.

Prove it. Prove that "no other version can claim this." I think you're completely biased and your assertion is nothing more than the empty wind of the cult to which you adhere.

 

[JamOn]

Post #37

O really, very well then I wipe my feet.

 

[Dino246]

References pointing to the treatment of the brethren.

1 Corinthians 8:8 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

2 Thessalonians 1:3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;

1 Timothy 4:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

2 Peter 1:7 distinguishes brotherly kindness from charity: "And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity." That undermines your non-specific definitions completely.

 

[JamOn]

2 Peter 1:7 distinguishes brotherly kindness from charity: "And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity." That undermines your non-specific definitions completely.

Thanks for posting, I hadn’t even noticed how the poster scooted in 1 Timothy 1:5 and not 1 Timothy 4:5 like the post portrayed it to be.

Yea people do trickery things.

 

[JamOn]

References pointing to the treatment of the brethren.

1 Corinthians 8:8 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

2 Thessalonians 1:3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;

1 Timothy 4:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

Why did you do that?

 

[Blain]

You know I have heard that there are seven different types of love but I have not been able to find the different kinds in scripture. However it does make sense now that I think about it.
I believe the most well known one is agape love limitless and unconditional but aside from that I don't know.
I mean lust can be described as a kiind of love like fleshly love or the desire of the flesh I suppose how you love your spouse compared to your pet is also not the same kind of love. I think the greeks actually had a more definitive definition of the different types of love

 

[garee]

2 Peter 1:7 distinguishes brotherly kindness from charity: "And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity." That undermines your non-specific definitions completely.

I would offer. Kindness is attribute of love

Brotherly love is the kindness of God working in mankind . What a friend we have in Jesus one that loves perfectly at all times. .

God is Love. Love as a work or labor is first and foremost patient. It then can be kind . Kindness represent the long sufferings needed to be kind then being kind it has no need to envy, love builds on the next attribute all the way to Love rejoice with truth as it is written .

The first work is the hardest. It teaches us where self control comes from . Not my wife. LOL

 

[JamOn]

You know I have heard that there are seven different types of love but I have not been able to find the different kinds in scripture. However it does make sense now that I think about it.
I believe the most well known one is agape love limitless and unconditional but aside from that I don't know.
I mean lust can be described as a kiind of love like fleshly love or the desire of the flesh I suppose how you love your spouse compared to your pet is also not the same kind of love. I think the greeks actually had a more definitive definition of the different types of love

That’s interesting about the word agape, I’ve learned that the KJV translators translated the Greek word of agape as charity, but it wasn’t widely used in early times and today.

But if I’m not mistaken the KJV has footnotes that refer the word charity as Love.

So I think this whole debate of the thread on charity came from not reading the footnotes of the KJV

 

[posthuman]

"love", does not apply here, Charity does. see KJV.

on that day when we are with Him, hope will no longer be hope, having been realized, and faith will have become certain knowledge.

all that will remain is love.

if you want to use a different word that's fine.

 

[posthuman]

A good example of LOVE, without CHARITY, is shown in verse 3, in which a man lays down his life for another.

um dude that's charity to the utmost. no greater charity hath any man.

but is this a thread about why agape remains or why kjv > all ?

 

[JamOn]

The verse right before 13 is another in line in that chapter that is quite interesting as to why they used glass darkly, why didn’t the KJV translators just use mirror, who would know what a glass darkly means. I don’t see a issue with updating the glass darkly to mirror

1 cor 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

 

[posthuman]

who would know what a glass darkly means.

you ever hear of 'Alice Through the Looking Glass' ?

kind of a famous book. the prequel's good too

 

[JamOn]

you ever hear of 'Alice Through the Looking Glass' ?

kind of a famous book. the prequel's good too

I’ve heard of looking glass, but the glass darkly is kind of odd maybe that was the slang back then not sure.

 

[Magenta]

2 Peter 1:7 distinguishes brotherly kindness from charity: "And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity."

2 Peter 1:5-8

 

[Blain]

That’s interesting about the word agape, I’ve learned that the KJV translators translated the Greek word of agape as charity, but it wasn’t widely used in early times and today.

But if I’m not mistaken the KJV has footnotes that refer the word charity as Love.

So I think this whole debate of the thread on charity came from not reading the footnotes of the KJV

Well I have never seen these footnotes I just know what the word agape means though I don't remember where from. I read all kinds of versions of the bible I like to see how everything is in contrast to each version.

 

[Sipsey]

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Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
nuni de menei pistiV elpiV agaph ta tria tauta meizwn de toutwn h agaph
Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
nuni de menei pistiV elpiV agaph ta tria tauta meizwn de toutwn h agaph

Byzantine Majority
nuni de menei pistiV elpiV agaph ta tria tauta meizwn de toutwn h agaph

Alexandrian
nuni de menei pistiV elpiV agaph ta tria tauta meizwn de toutwn h agaph

Hort and Westcott
nuni de menei pistiV elpiV agaph ta tria tauta meizwn de toutwn h agaph

Latin Vulgate
13:13 nunc autem manet fides spes caritas tria haec maior autem his est caritas

King James Version
13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity.

American Standard Version
13:13 But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

Bible in Basic English
13:13 But now we still have faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

Darby's English Translation
13:13 And now abide faith, hope, love; these three things; and the greater of these islove.

Douay Rheims
13:13 And now there remain faith, hope, and charity, these three: but the greatest of these is charity.

Noah Webster Bible
13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Weymouth New Testament
13:13 And so there remain Faith, Hope, Love--these three; and of these the greatest is Love.

World English Bible
13:13 But now remain faith, hope, and love: these three. The greatest of these is love.

Young's Literal Translation
13:13 and now there doth remain faith, hope, love -- these three; and the greatest of these is love.

 

[tantalon]

The doing of GOOD is love, it has two parts: the right emotions coupled with the right actions. For example, John 3:16. "For God so LOVED the world, ( speaking of his FEELINGS toward mankind), then, speaking of the ACTIONS, that he GAVE...But 1Cor. 13 is not talking about actions of "love" except in verse three. The word charity is described in verses 4-7 and reveals itself as an INNER CHARACTER of virtues. Love then are righteous acts, but charity is the source that produces them.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I’ve heard of looking glass, but the glass darkly is kind of odd maybe that was the slang back then not sure.

see through a glass darkly

a glass = esoptron

darkly = ainigma


esoptron = a mirror

ainigma = an obscure thing


One day we will see "face to face". At this point in time we "see" through Scripture and our view is obscured because we do not see face to face. 2 Cor 3:18 tells us But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass [not the same Greek word as 1 Cor 13:12] the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

This is an ainigma (enigma). We "see" through reading a book and we are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

How does God do that???

 

[Dino246]

That’s interesting about the word agape, I’ve learned that the KJV translators translated the Greek word of agape as charity, but it wasn’t widely used in early times and today.

But if I’m not mistaken the KJV has footnotes that refer the word charity as Love.

So I think this whole debate of the thread on charity came from not reading the footnotes of the KJV

Most nodern KJV printings don't include the footnotes. Some KJV-onlyists are unaware that the original 1611 version even had them.