Servus Christi on YouTube......anyone watching his polemics?

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IMO The start of the 70th week begins in heaven, When the Lamb receives the scroll. Since this occurs in first heaven, it comes as a thief in the night, just as Jesus warns those who are left on the earth. The Church of course has been raptured by this time. Furthermore Jesus may come for His Church at anytime. And in fact Jesus Graciously gives the same warning for both parties!
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I also believe (for now) That the start of the 70th week is also the start of Day of the Lord. Other scholars disagree with this point, but I have yet to be convinced otherwise.
 
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cv5 said:
IMO The start of the 70th week begins in heaven, When the Lamb receives the scroll. Since this occurs in first heaven, it comes as a thief in the night, just as Jesus warns those who are left on the earth. The Church of course has been raptured by this time. Furthermore Jesus may come for His Church at anytime. And in fact Jesus Graciously gives the same warning for both parties!
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T.A. McMahn carries on the work of Dave Hunt who was very close with Chuck Missler and another of my Mentors.
This is an interesting piece about a book written over a century ago that reads as contemporary as books written today as to apostacy the framework of deception against Christianity in the world. I'm sure you're probably a Dave hunt fan... If not check out the Berean Call channel on Youtube.
Here's the piece about the book written in the 1880's.
https://subspla.sh/5348f2f
 
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I also believe (for now) That the start of the 70th week is also the start of Day of the Lord. Other scholars disagree with this point, but I have yet to be convinced otherwise.
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I believe that the Day of Jesus Christ(Phil 1:6) "The Rapture" inaugurates the 70th week, the week of Jacob's trouble, or the Day of the Lord... Which incorporates the fulfillment of all promise and prophecy to Israel continuing into the Millennial reign.
 
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I am also a Jacob Prasch fan... About the only thing I disagree with him on is his teaching of a mid trib rapture.
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That's fine, I hold that both Mid or Pre as viable choices unlike Post, Preter, or Amil (those are beyond possibilities).
Have you heard Pavia Prasch (Jacob's wife)? Quite a little teacher in her own right.
 
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That's fine, I hold that both Mid or Pre as viable choices unlike Post, Preter, or Amil (those are beyond possibilities).
Have you heard Pavia Prasch (Jacob's wife)? Quite a little teacher in her own right.
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I find her animated pronunciation hard to listen to.
 
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I believe "He" that letteth or restaineth is the Holy spirit within the body of Christ, The Church... and that She must be removed in order for the Day of the Lord to begin because the week of Jacob's trouble is appointed to Israel apart from the Church in totality.
I also agree that post, preterist, and amillennial views are out of the question.
 
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I believe "He" that letteth or restaineth is the Holy spirit within the body of Christ, The Church... and that She must be removed in order for the Day of the Lord to begin because the week of Jacob's trouble is appointed to Israel apart from the Church in totality.
I also agree that post, preterist, and amillennial views are out of the question.
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I believe vss 3&8 make the Pre-Wrath position viable as well.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Thessalonians 2:8 (KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The italics in vs 3 weakens the argument though.
 
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I believe vss 3&8 make the Pre-Wrath position viable as well.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Thessalonians 2:8 (KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The italics in vs 3 weakens the argument though.
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Next weekend shall not come, except Friday come first, and we settle into our rooms and walk on the beach and behold the sunsets.

And of course... "He" which restrains will be taken out of the way AND THEN SHALL that wicked be revealed. We can't have it both ways...
 
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Next weekend shall not come, except Friday come first, and we settle into our rooms and walk on the beach and behold the sunsets.

And of course... "He" which restrains will be taken out of the way AND THEN SHALL that wicked be revealed. We can't have it both ways...
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I may be seeing a lot of Pre-Tribbers playing 'slide-rule theology' regarding the rapture as the Day approaches lol.
BTW, what would you say kicks off the Great Trib?
 
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I may be seeing a lot of Pre-Tribbers playing 'slide-rule theology' regarding the rapture as the Day approaches lol.
BTW, what would you say kicks off the Great Trib?
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Like I said previously, "I believe that the Day of Jesus Christ(Phil 1:6) "The Rapture" inaugurates the 70th week."

Before the mystery of the Church or "Christ in us"... There were only two kinds of people on earth... Jews and Gentiles... and God dealt with Israel as a separate people. Since the inauguration of the Church on the day of Pentecost, there have been 3 kinds of folk on the earth... Jew, Gentile, and "The Church of God in Jesus Christ". During this "Church age" the promise of the Kingdom to Israel has been in abeyance, as has God's dealing with Israel as a separate people in the outworkings of His purposes.
When the rapture of the Church takes place, there will once again be only 2 kinds of people on earth... Jew and Gentile... and in the 7 year period(week of Jacob's trouble) yet appointed to them as a nation, God will turn His eye once again to Israel and fulfill all promise and prophecy to them culminating in the return of the Messiah to sit on the throne of David and rule and reign over all the earth.
 
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Sans said:
Like I said previously, "I believe that the Day of Jesus Christ(Phil 1:6) "The Rapture" inaugurates the 70th week."

Before the mystery of the Church or "Christ in us"... There were only two kinds of people on earth... Jews and Gentiles... and God dealt with Israel as a separate people. Since the inauguration of the Church on the day of Pentecost, there have been 3 kinds of folk on the earth... Jew, Gentile, and "The Church of God in Jesus Christ". During this "Church age" the promise of the Kingdom to Israel has been in abeyance, as has God's dealing with Israel as a separate people in the outworkings of His purposes.
When the rapture of the Church takes place, there will once again be only 2 kinds of people on earth... Jew and Gentile... and in the 7 year period(week of Jacob's trouble) yet appointed to them as a nation, God will turn His eye once again to Israel and fulfill all promise and prophecy to them culminating in the return of the Messiah to sit on the throne of David and rule and reign over all the earth.
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I believe that there is a gap of time of unknown length between the Rapture and the receiving of the scroll by the Lamb in heaven. But probably not very long. Revelation chapter 4 and 5 must take place before the opening of the seals.
 
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I believe vss 3&8 make the Pre-Wrath position viable as well.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Thessalonians 2:8 (KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The italics in vs 3 weakens the argument though.
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"Falling away" may very well actually mean "departure"aka Rapture.
 
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I believe that there is a gap of time of unknown length between the Rapture and the receiving of the scroll by the Lamb in heaven. But probably not very long. Revelation chapter 4 and 5 must take place before the opening of the seals.
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I have no problem with that idea... and I have entertained an unknown period of time between the rapture and the beginning of the week of Jacobs trouble.

Do you believe the Lamb receiving the scroll inaugurates the 7 year period?
 
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"Falling away" may very well actually mean "departure"aka Rapture.
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Although that interpretation would be a huge support to what I believe... It need not be so for the body of reasoning I have come to believe scripture teaches.
 
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"Falling away" may very well actually mean "departure"aka Rapture.
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Maybe, I prefer 'apostasy' as in what we see today with Rome and other Liberal institutions.
 
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Maybe, I prefer 'apostasy' as in what we see today with Rome and other Liberal institutions.
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I tend to agree with you crossnote... but I don't restrict it to Rome and liberal institutions, but to churchdom in general.
 
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I have no problem with that idea... and I have entertained an unknown period of time between the rapture and the beginning of the week of Jacobs trouble.

Do you believe the Lamb receiving the scroll inaugurates the 7 year period?
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Not exactly. I would say the 70th week per se begins with the opening of the first seal.
 
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I tend to agree with you crossnote... but I don't restrict it to Rome and liberal institutions, but to churchdom in general.
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Oh I definitely agree with the falling away, as that is stated elsewhere. And I completely agree that the state of the present-day Church is appalling....In fact I am distressed and shocked by the nature of it. To the point of literally being in tears. What I am pointing out is that the term "Falling away" in 2 Thess 2:3 may more accurately considered to be "departure" aka rapture. It is a far better fit in terms of context. Furthermore certain older Bible translations DO utilize the term "departure" in this location!
 
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I tend to agree with you crossnote... but I don't restrict it to Rome and liberal institutions, but to churchdom in general.
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I mentioned those two because their virus of downplaying Scripture has infected the rest of christendom.
 
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