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Dino246

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'Question: "What is the Jesus Seminar?"

Answer: The "Jesus Seminar" was begun by New Testament "scholar" Robert Funk in the 1970s. ...
You stated, "That's what theologians think. But theologians are the ones who generally go off the rails." Providing some blather about a dozen liberal twits does nothing to support your statement. They don't represent "theologians" by a long shot.
 

Lightskin

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Hahaha. That is too commonly pulled by laymen in the church repeating arguments they heard from the actual theologians.
Sorrowfully arrogant. Not you, but those of whom you speak.
 
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You stated, "That's what theologians think. But theologians are the ones who generally go off the rails." Providing some blather about a dozen liberal twits does nothing to support your statement. They don't represent "theologians" by a long shot.
Agree, over generalizing, broad huge brush strokes, is generally not a good way to go. :)

Dino, I will leave it up to you, with your sharp eye for logically fallacies to deal with this one... should be easy peasy!!
 

miknik5

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The fermentation of wine generally takes a minimum of 2 weeks, and then 2-3 weeks of aging before it's even ready to bottle. The longer you bottle your wine, the better the results.

How long did it take Jesus to turn water into wine at Cana? My Question is: why did it only take Him 6 days to create the universe, when He could have done it in a split second (like the wine) 👍
When Jesus turned the water into wine, it is interesting to note that there were 6 earthen vessels...not one..
 

miknik5

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One for each day excluding the day of rest?
Itś a visual recap of THE LORDŚ MINISTRY...6 earthen vessels, symbolic of the 6th day creation (man) and HIS washing with water and changing this water into NEW WINE...because the ¨wine had run out¨
 

Magenta

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Itś a visual recap of THE LORDŚ MINISTRY...6 earthen vessels, symbolic of the 6th day creation (man) and HIS washing with water and changing this water into NEW WINE...because the ¨wine had run out¨
... and wine being symbolic, too, of the shed righteous blood of Christ, which now cleanses us :)

(As opposed to ritualistic cleansing by/with water.)
 
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@biker 's claim was that it made no sense to think the atmosphere changed during the flood, and yet the fact that it had not rained before the flood and that rain has been a weather phenomena to this day since seems to unavoidably suggest that the atmosphere did change...
...and if the dinosaurs were preserved via the ark,the new atmosphere would have probably killed them.
 
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G2RBeliever

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Dinosaurs are found in the Bible. Job for instance.

I am a young earth spoken into existence from nothing type of guy.


Im sorry, I assumed you to be female.
You have a quiet,sweet spirit!

i rarely look at profiles.
 
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If I remember rightly from a book I read the literal six day creation "thing" didn't become an issue until Darwin and fossils were being dug up all over the place.

Then the fundies in the 1920's jumped in crying foul about the young age of the earth and evolution and touting a literal six day creation.
 

miknik5

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... and wine being symbolic, too, of the shed righteous blood of Christ, which now cleanses us :)

(As opposed to ritualistic cleansing by/with water.)
Exactly...people overlook John 2 as if it were just an aside...but it is a recap of HIS VERY MINISTRY...only THE LORD of THE SABBATH can take the 6 earthen vessels and change them...so that 6 passes through 7 in order to become a new creation...
 

miknik5

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And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The Behemoth is the Herbivore mentioned in Job, it is known as the Mastodon, which is the Elephant before becoming the elephant.
How can you read the description and thing that?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Genesis 2 shows us when God created He did it by GENERATIONS:

He did not plant seeds but put full grown trees and flowers, and grass. Adam was made as an adult, not a child. Eve was an adult, not a child. God did everything as fully completed. Which also means, God would have done the same thing with Earth (like we read Genesis 1:1 where the Earth is completed)
Exactly. He created it aged. To sustain life the week it was created
it’s hard for us to fathom but god has the power
 

Diakonos

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About the Hebrew word yom = day

What most people here know:
-yom can be translated 3 ways.....
1. One 24-hour period
2. From sunrise to sundown (day-as opposed to night)
3. Undefined amount of time (a season of time)

What most people here don't know:
When yom is connected to a number, its always a 24-hour period. It cannot be translated any other way; It is a rule of the Hebrew language that we cannot escape or ignore.

That being said...
I am surprised that no one has provided the central verse for this doctrine yet:
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.” (Exodus 20:11)
 
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I am surprised that no one has provided the central verse for this doctrine yet:
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.” (Exodus 20:11)
It's quite possible the creation narrative was "formatted" as a shadow or motif to reflect the six day/sabbath command given to Israel as a part of the prophetic narrative that proceeds onward to the consummation in Christ.

(Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days)

(Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.)
 
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How can you read the description and thing that?

Because they are not afraid of it like one would be with a t-rex. It's like the brontosaurus, who is as tall as the twin towers were, but you could be near them without them trying to attack you.
 

inukubo

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😊 its all or nothing. (in my opinion). 1 book
2 very different genres. If you try to read Genesis 1 as pure history, you are misreading it and not, in fact, "taking it literally."