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Here's the part you both missed:
"12if we endure,
we will also reign with Him;
if we deny Him,
He will also deny us;
13if we are faithless,
He remains faithful,
for He cannot deny Himself." - 2 Timothy 2:12-13
You can be a faithless believer, like when you cheat on your taxes out of fear for yourself, and Christ will remain faithful to you.
What you can not do is deny Christ.
He will deny you if you deny Him.
"12if we endure,
we will also reign with Him;
if we deny Him,
He will also deny us;
13if we are faithless,
He remains faithful,
for He cannot deny Himself." - 2 Timothy 2:12-13
You can be a faithless believer, like when you cheat on your taxes out of fear for yourself, and Christ will remain faithful to you.
What you can not do is deny Christ.
He will deny you if you deny Him.
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Be careful.
@dcontroversal may try to get you banned for misquoting me.
@dcontroversal may try to get you banned for misquoting me.
Your misquote was completely deceptive.
Again, you should apologize to both @mailmandan and @dcontroversal but we know you won't.
You actually enjoy promoting a false gospel that is becoming more and more apparent... it is all fun and games for you.
That makes all the worse.
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Peter was not truly saved (converted) yet when he denied Christ. There is no record of this happening again after coming to a full understanding of Christ's resurrection.
Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18:3).
Jesus told Peter:
I have prayed for you, that your faith will not fail: and when you are converted, strengthen your brethren (Luke 22:32).
And you can see Peter strengthening the brethren as recorded in Acts 1:15-22.
And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples...
Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18:3).
Jesus told Peter:
I have prayed for you, that your faith will not fail: and when you are converted, strengthen your brethren (Luke 22:32).
And you can see Peter strengthening the brethren as recorded in Acts 1:15-22.
And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples...
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You guys are really something else, the lengths you will go to ... just something!
Jesus told Peter his name was written in the book of life:
Luke 10:20
Peter knew who Jesus was, he announced Him as Son of the Living God.. sounds like faith to me and he denied Jesus three times in fact.
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Not until Christ died on the cross:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:19).
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead (1 Peter 4:6).
By the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water (Zechariah 9:11).
Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise thy name (Psalm 142:7).
The LORD looses the prisoners (Psalm 146:7).
For to this end Christ both died, and rose and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living (Romans 14:9).
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:19).
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead (1 Peter 4:6).
By the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water (Zechariah 9:11).
Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise thy name (Psalm 142:7).
The LORD looses the prisoners (Psalm 146:7).
For to this end Christ both died, and rose and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living (Romans 14:9).
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Abraham was justified (made right with God).. means he was saved.
Peter was saved as well.
John 6:66-69
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
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Peter did not loose his salvation, end of story.... grasp THIS very important concept it is >>>>>> because of who Jesus IS
Peter learned and you should know that Jesus “is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them” (Heb. 7:25).
High time you stop making Jesus an ineffectual, quasi-competent Savior.. it really is not a good thing.
Peter learned and you should know that Jesus “is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them” (Heb. 7:25).
High time you stop making Jesus an ineffectual, quasi-competent Savior.. it really is not a good thing.
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In the Gospel of the Kingdom, a Jew can be saved by believing Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:30-31).
Believing that Jesus will die and be resurrected was not necessary for salvation in that gospel.
So yes, Peter was certainly saved. However, Miciah believes that Paul's gospel of grace also hold during that time, a case of anticipating revelation.
Believing that Jesus will die and be resurrected was not necessary for salvation in that gospel.
So yes, Peter was certainly saved. However, Miciah believes that Paul's gospel of grace also hold during that time, a case of anticipating revelation.