Is God Good?

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Dave-L said:
The premeditated killing of an innocent person = murder.
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And yet again my point remains, the Bible lied. It says He willingly died, murder isn't willingly. And God is a murderer.
 
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JohnR7 said:
Everyone may have a different answer for this and that is fine. In the Bible we read about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. This and the tree of life. I wonder: is good and evil balanced? Is there as much good as there is evil in this world? In the law of thermodynamics we have equilibrium (a state in which opposing forces or influences are balanced). I talk about river rocks and how the water forms them in a way that they are very easy to balance. So we know there is a lot of balance in the universe, cosmos or world we live in. We ask why there is so much suffering. I know people that love to play the victim card. Yet if there is just as much pleasure as there is pain. If here is just as much good as there is evil - then everything in life and in the universe balances itself out and cancels itself out. In quantum physics everything would cancel itself out. So there has to be a million and one positive particles and a million negative in order for us to exist. It there was more negative then positive then I would think this would cancel everything out so that nothing could exist. Although you cannot have nothing without something to compare it to.

Then of course we do hear that God is abundantly above and beyond all that we could ever ask or think. If there were as much good somewhere as there is evil, pain, misery and suffering in this world, I would think that would be substantial. We also hear that we need to die to self so we can live for God. I am not sure how that plays into all of this.
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Things may see muddled now but stay tuned. We won't see things clearly until we are redeemed, made holy, glorified. What we have now is an earnest of the Spirit (second birth) and justification and varying degrees of sanctification, all the while in the midst of the battle against the powers and principalities of evil. Total good comes when the totality of God's kingdom arrives in its fullness. Right now there is a plurality of kingdoms, a plurality of wills.
 
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Hungry said:
According to the theology they invented, even Jesus is a heretic, because He said first the Father is above Him and gives Him the authority. Also the Father sends the Spirit so above Him too.
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I don't think so. The Holy Spirit of God is also the Holy Spirit of Jesus! We may not understand the Trinity fully.....yet. But it is clearly Scriptural.

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Spirit-Of-Christ
 
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Dave-L said:
If he died for the sins of the elect, it would be suicide in the same sense a cop takes a bullet in place of a victim. Is that suicide?
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Who's on first? Why did you bring up suicide? You're chasing your tail. You said He was murdered.
 
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Dave-L said:
In the garden, Jesus said, not my will but thine.
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Read the post before you answer. You're throwing out random verses. He said He laid down His life, if He was murdered by the Father that's not willingly laying down His life.
 
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Dave-L said:
So you have only original thoughts?
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I have read what the Bible says and prayed and meditated while fasting for wisdom and clarity. I have desired only for His instruction and counsel. He has rewarded my diligence by opening my eyes and transforming my mind. My thoughts are not original. They are guided to what was originally given before man added confusion to them.
 
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Dave-L said:
Where does it say Jesus is still buried?
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Where does it say it would make a difference seeing the onetime demonstration of the two (Father and Son) is over and we are commanded not to seek after corrupted flesh that is no longer here or returned to the dust. God is not a man.

The Son of man Jesus informed us His flesh and blood used as a demonstration does not profit as if we walked by sight after the temporal things seen. We cannot serve two masters as teachers . (1) What the eyes see and (2) what the spirit reveals.

Its not what do men say but what does our father in heaven reveal. The Potter reveals his will to flesh and blood (clay) by forming Christ in it.

It is the work of the unseen Spirit that dwelled in the Son of man that did profit as a law of faith. .No power from his earthen body of death .Just like al believers. We should believe without murmuring like Adam and Eve in the garden .That ended in death.

After all if it is God's power working in us with us to both will and do his good pleasure. why would we edify our own self as if it was not given freely from His hand (will) ?

It would be like seeking after the bones of Moses .They are hid for a purpose. I don't think any one has a DNA record of the blood of the Son of man . Where to begin would be the question? we neither wrestle against flesh and blood the temporal things seen or do we seek its approval as self edifying.

We walk or understand God not seen by a living faith as Christ in us works to make the load lighter. . No one has received the promise of a new incorruptible body

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

God is not a man.
 
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Dave-L said:
If God did not kill Jesus in the place of sinners, none would be saved.
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According to Peter (and God), wicked men killed Jesus.
God, for His part, raised Jesus from the dead and glorified Him, and is now having his prophet Peter continue the work of redeeming the very Israelites who committed the murder.

Acts 3

And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering. And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? The God of Abraham, anwhom d of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to lethim go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
 
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Dave-L said:
If he died for the sins of the elect, it would be suicide in the same sense a cop takes a bullet in place of a victim. Is that suicide?
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God did not murder Jesus, nor did Jesus commit suicide. Fallen sinful men murdered Jesus. Jesus simply did not defend himself and allowed it to happen.

Matt 26:53
Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?
 
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Dave-L said:
If God did not kill Jesus in the place of sinners, none would be saved.
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Frankly much of what you say is blasphemous. You insinuate God is a murderer and you denying the ultimate redemption of Israel. I can't remember but are you a preterist?
 
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cv5 said:
Things may see muddled now but stay tuned.
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We read in Genesis 1:31 that all was very good. If this is true then we have nothing to worry about even if there are a few bumps in the road.
 
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Dave-L said:
Did he commit suicide?
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It’s questions like these that reveal your true intent. Clearly you just like attention. Starting with title, Is God Good?”, you have just invited argument. If the words of Christ can’t be trusted when stated, “...only my Father is good,” then why continue? I’m sure you intentionally contradicted the Creeds that you esteem for the purpose to antagonize other posters. Sometimes I think, maybe he’s just that stupid and needs more information. But no, you aren’t stupid, just obviously bored and enjoy the conflict. Once again, I have more to accomplish today. No point trying to teach the unteachable. May the Lord give you a heart for Him instead of your Catholic forefathers.
 
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John146 said:
The KJV cannot be proven wrong.😉
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Depends on what you mean by wrong. God watches over the KJV to do what He says He will do. That does not mean there are not a lot of problems with that translation. If you want to understand the Bible you have to read the Hebrew.
 
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Dave-L said:
Gordon Clark solved for many the problem of Evil. This is a bare-bones summary worth looking into if interested.

Clark first asks; "How can the existence of God be harmonized with the existence of evil?"

If God is all-good, He would want to destroy evil.

If God is all-powerful, He is able to destroy evil. But evil still exists.

It seems that God cannot be both all-good and all-powerful. However, Christianity teaches that He is both. This is the problem of evil."

Clark stated that "God's causing a man to sin is not sin. There is no law, superior to God, which forbids him to decree sinful acts. Sin presupposes a law, for sin is lawlessness." Clark explained that "God is above law" because "the laws that God imposes on men do not apply to the divine nature."
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Well this guy is wrong, God is not above the law, His very nature IS the law.

This is such a great example of the futility of our thinking processes. Proclaiming "If this, then God that", as if man could even comprehend, the thinking, reasoning, planning, and will of God. Then having the complete audacity to say this in a way that suggest that God is above the law, as if He transgresses His own law or something, just doesn't sound right to me, honestly this is as close to blasphemous a thing can get, if it's not already there. Something is only "evil" or "wrong" if it transgresses His will. Jesus didn't ever do it, which person of the Godhead do you suggest is "above" His nature? I even agree with a lot of what you say here ol' DaveL, and don't even know anything about who you're quoting here, but man this isn't at all a good start to something "worth looking into", In my opinion, but I kind of just jumped in, so I'm not even sure what you're recommending it for, not only that but I should read it all before really forming a full opinion. I just sounds bad to me, for whatever that's worth.
 
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