Does man have a libertarian free will?

[Roughsoul1991]

Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit = God must save a person before they can believe.

I seem to remember even the demons believe.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Grace = we don't deserve God's love.

Grace may be defined as the unmerited or undeserving favor of God to those who are under condemnation.

Of course we dont deserve grace. But that is the very essence of grace. What is your point?

 

[Dave-L]

Grace may be defined as the unmerited or undeserving favor of God to those who are under condemnation.

Of course we dont deserve grace. But that is the very essence of grace. What is your point?

If salvation depends on you, it is not of grace and you are the savior.

 

[Dave-L]

I seem to remember even the demons believe.

But faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. The demons believe by sight.

 

[Dave-L]

Wicked people as in free will believers? Good luck with that. No free will theological believer thinks of themselves as a Savior. This is your opinion.

That's how it works out. Of course, they would never admit it.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

If salvation depends on you, it is not of grace and you are the savior.

Limited Atonement isnt grace either. Regardless I'm sorry but Jesus tells us he is the only way. Jesus calls for people to believe and put faith in His promises. Yes as explained above that you didn't address. There are 2 types of faith. A gift, and one of man which we also see as a call to believe.

People couldn't be accountable to sin if we had no will to choose between good and evil. The moral law. The law written on the heart. Conscience bearing witness to such law.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

But faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. The demons believe by sight.

Yes pistis faith. But that isnt the only faith we have. Belief is the first step.

Romans 10:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

But in context obviously repentance, and perseverance is necessary.

Unfortunately many dont move on from belief. Read the parable of the sower.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

That's how it works out. Of course, they would never admit it.

In your opinion. You have to very vehemently deny scriptures to accept your theology. How do you handle scriptures that call for belief, acceptance, a choice, to abide, to return, or scripture of warning to believer about being led astray or fall away?

All scriptures with this context sounds very comical within your interpretation.

 

[Dave-L]

In your opinion. You have to very vehemently deny scriptures to accept your theology. How do you handle scriptures that call for belief, acceptance, a choice, to abide, to return, or scripture of warning to believer about being led astray or fall away?

All scriptures with this context sounds very comical within your interpretation.

Conditional salvation is not grace. It is works.

 

[Dave-L]

Yes pistis faith. But that isnt the only faith we have. Belief is the first step.

Romans 10:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

But in context obviously repentance, and perseverance is necessary.

Unfortunately many dont move on from belief. Read the parable of the sower.

God must save a person before they can believe. Faith is a FRUIT of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Dave-L]

Limited Atonement isnt grace either. Regardless I'm sorry but Jesus tells us he is the only way. Jesus calls for people to believe and put faith in His promises. Yes as explained above that you didn't address. There are 2 types of faith. A gift, and one of man which we also see as a call to believe.

People couldn't be accountable to sin if we had no will to choose between good and evil. The moral law. The law written on the heart. Conscience bearing witness to such law.

Limited Atonement is pure grace. It saves its subjects completely.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Conditional salvation is not grace. It is works.

A call to believe or faith isnt works. It like a person willingly making themselves a slave to the master, enlisted as a soldier. A submission to Christ.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Limited Atonement is pure grace. It saves its subjects completely.

No it saves a few while the majority was chosen by God to burn in Hell.

 

[Dave-L]

No it saves a few while the majority was chosen by God to burn in Hell.

Justly. God would not be good if they did not burn in hell.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

God must save a person before they can believe. Faith is a FRUIT of the Holy Spirit.

Can you address post 734. Before we move on. The Holy Spirit fruit faith is pistis not pisteuo.

 

[Dave-L]

A call to believe or faith isnt works. It like a person willingly making themselves a slave to the master, enlisted as a soldier. A submission to Christ.

If salvation depends on choosing to believe, it's a false gospel.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Justly. God would not be good if they did not burn in hell.

Lol God chose them to not be elected as on God just created them to remain evil. How is that good? Or Just?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

If salvation depends on choosing to believe, it's a false gospel.

The scriptures call for it. Idk what Gospel you read. But again your opinion because I see your theology as false.

 

[Dave-L]

The scriptures call for it. Idk what Gospel you read. But again your opinion because I see your theology as false.

You need to prove it false or be found lying.

 

[Dave-L]

Lol God chose them to not be elected as on God just created them to remain evil. How is that good? Or Just?

You do not like God if I'm right?