2 Timothy 3 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

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Dave-L

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John146 said:
Lol, once we are in Christ, we will become holy. That’s our destination. We’re not there yet. Not until we are conformed to the image of Jesus. That’s the future adoption, the redemption of our body.
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God must save us so we can believe and be holy.
 
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“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” Philippians 2:13 (KJV 1900)
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Paul’s speaking to those who are already in Christ.
 
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John146 said:
Paul’s speaking to those who are already in Christ.
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“The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever he will.” Proverbs 21:1 (KJV 1900)
 
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“The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever he will.” Proverbs 21:1 (KJV 1900)
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What’s the point of this? Is this your attempt to show God’s knowledge?🤦‍♂️
 
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Dave-L said:
This does not hold up. Saying God is ignorant = saying he is not omniscient. = Not God.
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Dave, the only way a person can come to THE FATHER, is through THE SON...
 
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Do all believe THAT JESUS is who HE says HE is?

No...therefore, many can profess to have GOD...but if they deny THE SON, they deny and do NOT have THE FATHER...


Therefore, they have another father....

Further no one can come to HIM, unless THE FATHER enables it...and yet, anyone who comes to HIM, HE will in no wise cast out....
So, who do all come to THE FATHER, through, sir?

JESUS...

And do all believe?

No.
 
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Dave-L said:
This does not hold up. Saying God is ignorant = saying he is not omniscient. = Not God.
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Why doesn´t what John said to you, hold up? That one has to come to THE FATHER through THE SON? Iḿ not sure why you are arguing this TRUTH...

What you are saying, is that GOD foreknew...this is true...but HE will point all men to HIS SON...those who believe will be marked as belonging to HIM...in, by and through HIS SON...the SON is THE SON over HIS FATHER´ś HOUSE...and THE SON will present back to THE FATHER...THE HOUSE
 
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Why doesn´t what John said to you, hold up? That one has to come to THE FATHER through THE SON? Iḿ not sure why you are arguing this TRUTH...

What you are saying, is that GOD foreknew...this is true...but HE will point all men to HIS SON...those who believe will be marked as belonging to HIM...in, by and through HIS SON...the SON is THE SON over HIS FATHER´ś HOUSE...and THE SON will present back to THE FATHER...THE HOUSE
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God is not ignorant, never was.
 
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Dave, the only way a person can come to THE FATHER, is through THE SON...
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“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:44 (KJV 1900)
 
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I think people deny the power of God when they proclaim free will. God saves, free will does not.
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I am not a proponent of the term free will. I prefer the term self will :)
 
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which is desperately wicked.
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In the natural state, yes. Though people are capable of doing good things, none of it is good enough to warrant salvation aside from that which God has mandated.
 
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Are you saying God is merely a spectator learning as he goes?
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Your descriptions kill me. What saith the scriptures? Ever read Hebrews. We’re told that God learned what it was like living in a body of flesh, to be tempted, to suffer, to thirst, to hunger, to be weary, to experience physical pain.
 
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John146 said:
Your descriptions kill me. What saith the scriptures? Ever read Hebrews. We’re told that God learned what it was like living in a body of flesh, to be tempted, to suffer, to thirst, to hunger, to be weary, to experience physical pain.
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So he was blind and ignorant as the eternal Spirit too?
 
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