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Yes, now read this:
"21The Lord was angry with me because of you, and he solemnly swore that I would not cross the Jordan and enter the good land the Lord your God is giving you as your inheritance. 22I will die in this land; I will not cross the Jordan; but you are about to cross over and take possession of that good land." - Deuteronomy 4:21-22
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Yes, now read this:
"21The Lord was angry with me because of you, and he solemnly swore that I would not cross the Jordan and enter the good land the Lord your God is giving you as your inheritance. 22I will die in this land; I will not cross the Jordan; but you are about to cross over and take possession of that good land." - Deuteronomy 4:21-22
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Exactly.
And that fact is not any kind of rebuttal to the non-osas argument, for that is not the non-osas argument.
Non-osas does not say sinning in and of itself causes one to not be saved anymore.
If that were true there would be no such thing as 'being saved'.
The argument is unbelief causes one to not be saved anymore.
But obviously, unbelief will invariable be displayed in a life of willful sin.
And I think that's where the confusion comes in for you people.
And that fact is not any kind of rebuttal to the non-osas argument, for that is not the non-osas argument.
Non-osas does not say sinning in and of itself causes one to not be saved anymore.
If that were true there would be no such thing as 'being saved'.
The argument is unbelief causes one to not be saved anymore.
But obviously, unbelief will invariable be displayed in a life of willful sin.
And I think that's where the confusion comes in for you people.
Yep, and we can take great comfort out of their example.
But one thing they did not do was stop believing in the promise, though they had opportunity to and go back to where they came from:
25 He (Moses) chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible.
admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one.
Hebrews 11:13-15, 25-27
But one thing they did not do was stop believing in the promise, though they had opportunity to and go back to where they came from:
25 He (Moses) chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible.
admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one.
Hebrews 11:13-15, 25-27
"For he (Christ) was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished." - Isaiah 53:8
By law, a person was to be cutoff as punishment for various sins.
Instead of us being cutoff for our sin, Jesus was cutoff for our sin instead.
We see a shadow of that in how Moses was cutoff while the people of God entered in.
"21The Lord was angry with me because of you, and he solemnly swore that I would not cross the Jordan and enter the good land the Lord your God is giving you as your inheritance. 22I will die in this land; I will not cross the Jordan; but you are about to cross over and take possession of that good land." - Deuteronomy 4:21-22
By law, a person was to be cutoff as punishment for various sins.
Instead of us being cutoff for our sin, Jesus was cutoff for our sin instead.
We see a shadow of that in how Moses was cutoff while the people of God entered in.
"21The Lord was angry with me because of you, and he solemnly swore that I would not cross the Jordan and enter the good land the Lord your God is giving you as your inheritance. 22I will die in this land; I will not cross the Jordan; but you are about to cross over and take possession of that good land." - Deuteronomy 4:21-22
@CherieR do not buy this drivel.....Moses represents the LAW...JOSHUA THE SAVIOR...his analogy is not only false but as skewed as all the other drivel he peddles! The LAW will never deliver and exactly why MOSES paid the price for one sin and was not allowed to enter the PHYSICAL LAND OF REST....THE law points to the SAVIOR <--Joshua and HE IS THE ONE THAT DELIVERS INTO THE LAND OF PROMISE AND REST!
