Requirements of Salvation

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posthuman

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John 20:31 states that a Jew who believes Jesus as the son of God during the gospel of the kingdom is already born again.

Peter James and John were all saved under that
Then a son or daughter of the kingdom of God is a son or daughter of the kingdom of heaven. There is only one gospel, the truth of God the King who is in heaven
 
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Then a son or daughter of the kingdom of God is a son or daughter of the kingdom of heaven. There is only one gospel, the truth of God the King who is in heaven
As I have stated that gospel required strict obedience to the law of Moses

I would choose Paul gospel anytime
 
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Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


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Yes, by the time Paul wrote Romans, the gospel of the kingdom has been postponed until after the Body of Christ is raptured.

If you want to be saved now, you need to follow the gospel spelt out in 1 Cor 15:1-4, and not John 20:31.
 
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Believing Jesus is the Son of God is no longer sufficient for salvation.
Acts 8:37
[37] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
 
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Acts 8:37
[37] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Do you know when the book of Romans was written?

Phillip was still preaching the gospel of the kingdom in Acts 8. No one knew about the gospel of grace until the ascended Christ revealed it to Paul.
 
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Do you know when the book of Romans was written?
Irrelevant; since when is “time” a hindrance to the Holy Spirit?

It’s part of the gospel. How can you believe the gospel without also believing that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 4:15
[15] Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
 
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Irrelevant; since when is “time” a hindrance to the Holy Spirit?

It’s part of the gospel. How can you believe the gospel without also believing that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 4:15
[15] Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Of course, we believe that Jesus is God's son, but if that is all you believe in, you are not going to be saved in the end.

I have already stated here that John was writing to the circumcised. The reason why his epistles are placed after Paul's letters by the Holy Spirit, is that once the Body of Christ is raptured, the Tribulation will begin and Israel will be preached the gospel of the Kingdom once again Matthew 24:14

So yes, what John wrote there was correct, but to a different group and for a different time.
 

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As I have stated that gospel required strict obedience to the law of Moses

I would choose Paul gospel anytime

I am aware that you constantly and falsely state there are multiple Gospels and kingdoms and names by which men may be saved
 
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I am aware that you constantly and falsely state there are multiple Gospels and kingdoms and names by which men may be saved
I have stated many times that the term gospel means "good news".

The good news contained in the gospel of the kingdom is very different from the good news contained in Paul's gospel of grace.

Read the Bible, its all there. If you don't want to read it literally, and try to mix everything together, I cannot stop you from doing so.
 

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Faith means to have trust/confidence in God.
How can you have trust/confidence in God when you are not trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation? Saving faith means (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ for salvation.

You can't have trust in God without having a good conscience toward God.
Without faith there is no good conscience. (1 Timothy 1:5, 19)

You can't have a good conscious toward God without obeying Him.
You can't obey Him or have a good conscience without faith/without faith it's impossible to please God. (Hebrews 11:6)

Believing in Jesus is the first commandment of God we are told to obey.
You are not believing/trusting/relying in Jesus unto salvation if you are also believing/trusting/relying in works for salvation.

There are many other commandments we must live in obedience unto if we desire to be saved.
This is works salvation plain and simple. You need to repent and believe the gospel.

We are told in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJB
"9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
In 1 Corinthians 6:9, we read - Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? The unrighteousness are not believers. Paul goes on to give a list of sins in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and in Galatians 5:19-21, Paul goes on to say that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

In 1 John 3:9, we read - No one who is born of God practices sin..

1 Corinthians 6:11, Paul goes on to say - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. Here we have a CONTRAST between the unrighteous and the righteous and it's not hard to find the unrighteous (who may even look like the righteous) mixed in with the righteous, hence the warning.

We see just from those 2 verses alone that there is a standard of righteous and holy living that God requires of us if we are to be counted worthy.
We are not counted worthy based on works righteousness. (Romans 4:5-6)

That is what is being spoken of in James 2:26 where it says faith without works is dead.
In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body exhibits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works (Ephesians 2:5-10).

So "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith, which would be like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. If someone merely SAYS-CLAIMS they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works (James 2:14) then they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith.

The works are not any righteous or holy works of our own, but of God. The works are the will of God, told to us through the commandments and precepts taught in the Holy Bible.
Works of righteousness are works done out of righteousness. Saying these works our not our own but are of God still does not change the fact that believers perform these works and we are not saved by works. There is a difference between God's will for TO BECOME SAVED: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him (apart from additions or modifications) shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. *No list of commandments here mentioned with "believes in Him."

AND there is a difference between God's will for us AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

Without obedience unto God's will, your faith is dead, you are not living a holy life, and you will not see the Lord.
Without obedience unto God's will in John 6:40, your faith is dead, you continue to live an unholy life, have not been "set apart" or "made holy" and you will not see the Lord.

Hebrews 12:14 KJB
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: "
In Hebrews 12:14, the NASB reads - Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. (Hebrews 12:14). Without justification, there is no sanctification. Those who are sanctified have been "set apart" or made holy in standing before God positionally in Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 - Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 1:2 - To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus.
 
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Christians do sin, and that is why Jesus has to continue justifying us.
Romans 8:34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
As I have stated that gospel required strict obedience to the law of Moses

I would choose Paul gospel anytime






Paul didnt have his OWN gospel!

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know anything among you,SAVE JESUS CHRIST, AND HIM CRUCIFIED




sorry @Kim82 your quote got caught up in my post!
 
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Paul didnt have his OWN gospel!

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know anything among you,SAVE JESUS CHRIST, AND HIM CRUCIFIED




sorry @Kim82 your quote got caught up in my post!
“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” – Romans 2:16

“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…” – Romans 16:25

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:” – 2 Timothy 2:8

3 times is enough for you?
 
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“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” – Romans 2:16

“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…” – Romans 16:25

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:” – 2 Timothy 2:8

3 times is enough for you?
I have a copy of the Bible.

I call it “my Bible”.

Does that make it different from your Bible?
 
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I have a copy of the Bible.

I call it “my Bible”.

Does that make it different from your Bible?
Have you realized none of the other apostles ever talked about the gospel of the kingdom as "my gospel"?

Why is Paul so special here? Ever consider he is trying to teach you something?
 
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“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” – Romans 2:16

“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…” – Romans 16:25

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:” – 2 Timothy 2:8

3 times is enough for you?





If your Saviour and Master is Paul,you are following the wrong head.
Paul was just a man ,Holy Ghost inspired to teach us a closer walk with God in denying the flesh and following the Spirit.
 
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If your Saviour and Master is Paul,you are following the wrong head.
Paul was just a man ,Holy Ghost inspired to teach us a closer walk with God in denying the flesh and following the Spirit.
If you are not a Jew, in that case, Paul is your apostle.

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Paul is to, us gentiles who believe, as important to the gospel of grace, as Moses was to the Jews under the Law of Moses.

Even Jesus when he was preaching in the 4 Gospels, acknowledged Moses as the lawgiver.
 
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If you are not a Jew, in that case, Paul is your apostle.

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.



So then by your thinking in dividing the Jews from Gentiles,you ONLY follow Paul's Epistles....shame shame,the WHOLE Word of God is our guide.
 
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TOO MUCH" IN CONTEXT,and who is being spoken" to is wreaking havoc on the church.
Maybe it's the seperating tare from wheat.
Whole word of God here.
 
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So then by your thinking in dividing the Jews from Gentiles,you ONLY follow Paul's Epistles....shame shame,the WHOLE Word of God is our guide.
All scripture is profitable, that is true.

But if you are not rightly dividing the word of truth, you are not studying to show yourself approved unto God. 2 Timothy 2:15