creationist debate?

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JeremiahsCup

JeremiahsCup

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JamOn said:
No you just can’t wrap your head around the earth being in its stablished position third planet from the sun that will not be moved to the second potion or fourth potion.

and I don’t mind you calling me a lier I’m well seasoned with that statement
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No I can wrap my head around it, and I find that it is a lie because that is clearly not what the Bible says. The Bible says in multiple places that the earth does not move. It says in multiple places the Sun moves.

So it's really just simple, if I accept what you say I have to find the Bible and all its writers and even God to be telling a lie, or if I accept what the Bible says I have to find what you, and men today say is the lie.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
No I can wrap my head around it, and I find that it is a lie because that is clearly not what the Bible says. The Bible says in multiple places that the earth does not move. It says in multiple places the Sun moves.

So it's really just simple, if I accept what you say I have to find the Bible and all its writers and even God to be telling a lie, or if I accept what the Bible says I have to find what you, and men today say is the lie.
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Wow you love the word lie don’t you does it make you feel all warm and snuggly inside your heart
 
JeremiahsCup

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JamOn said:
Wow you love the word lie don’t you does it make you feel all warm and snuggly inside your heart
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I can use the word falsehood if it makes you feel better I guess.
 
JeremiahsCup

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JamOn said:
Is moving the planet from on location to another movement, so it’s 50/50
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Lol so it's only moving half the time now?

See how rather than just accepting the Bible as truth the falsehoods just get more ridiculous.
 
JamOn

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JeremiahsCup said:
Lol so it's only moving half the time now?

See how rather than just accepting the Bible as truth the falsehoods just get more ridiculous.
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Hmm you sure know how to take someone’s words and twist them around, you know exactly what I meant in you could be right or I could be right. but you knew that but you chose to twist. but I’ve ran into that as well I’m seasoned in seeing it, I’m one you won’t get by with it on me at all without me noticing it. step wisely swing true for I won’t miss
 
JeremiahsCup

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JamOn said:
Hmm you sure know how to take someone’s words and twist them around, you know exactly what I meant in you could be right or I could be right. but you knew that but you chose to twist. but I’ve ran into that as well I’m seasoned in seeing it, I’m one you won’t get by with it on me at all without me notice it.
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I'm not trying to twist your words, you said the earth's movement is 50/50.

Though the irony isn't lost on me that you think I am trying to twist your words as you try to twist the Bible's words.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
I'm not trying to twist your words, you said the earth's movement is 50/50.

Though the irony isn't lost on me that you think I am trying to twist your words as you try to twist the Bible's words.
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Later twister, the humor over this is gone
 
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tourist said:
I have found, in numerous flat earth threads, that you can't reason with flat-liners.
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If you can find me a verse that says the earth is flat I'll believe it is flat. If you can find one that says it's a sphere I'll believe a sphere. If you can find one that says it is a cube I will believe it is cube.

So I think rather than talk past you with allegations, I'll just ask you directly; can you post a verse from the Bible that says that the earth rotates? If you cannot and I can find verses that says it does not move; is modern man lying, or is God lying?
 
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To keep everything in place relative to the earth, all God had to do is stop the earth's rotation. If he wants to shorten a day, he speeds up the rotation for a period of time. If he wants to lengthen the day he slows down the rotation for a period of time. If he really wants to get your attention, he can rotate it backwards for a period of time, or change the axis of rotation relative to the sun and scramble all your star maps. He can do this an maintain the earth's orbit around the sun, and the moon's orbit around the earth.

Just remember, God's always in control.
 
JeremiahsCup

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Billyd said:
To keep everything in place relative to the earth, all God had to do is stop the earth's rotation. If he wants to shorten a day, he speeds up the rotation for a period of time. If he wants to lengthen the day he slows down the rotation for a period of time. If he really wants to get your attention, he can rotate it backwards for a period of time, or change the axis of rotation relative to the sun and scramble all your star maps. He can do this an maintain the earth's orbit around the sun, and the moon's orbit around the earth.

Just remember, God's always in control.
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What if God being in control has his firm and known believers say in his holy scriptures that the earth does not move? Is what they wrote saying the earth does not move a lie? Or is the saying that the earth rotates which is not in the Bible the lie?

One of these two parties is lying. It has to be either man today and their camp is the liars or God and his people that wrote the Bible are the liars.

I have asked this most of the day, nobody is brave enough to say clearly which party is telling the truth and which party is lying besides myself, which again I will plainly state that the Bible and God are true and the people today are liars.
 
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Rondonmon said:
we see light from stars billions of light-years away but of course, the universe is 6000 years old.
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This is strictly relating to this portion of your post and NOT to what else is being said.

It takes us literally 3 to 5 days on average just to fly to the moon.
It takes us literally 130 to 150 days to fly the rover to Mars, our second closest planet from us. (almost a half a year of flight)
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This is within our own Galaxy.
When we think of stars we see in the evening sky, the majority of those stars are not even in our Galaxy, but literally so far away that we cannot build a fuselage big enough to get there, let alone to return.
It would take literally everyone currently on this planets entire lifetime to even get halfway to the majority of these stars. (which 8 Billion people living at the average rate of 75 years equals to 600,000,000,000 (600 Billion)). It's literally impossible for 1 human, or one designed space craft with enough fuel support to reach the CLOSEST star outside our Galaxy!
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And then to think the Universe is only 6,000 years old, when if we could travel 6,000 years from Earth to somewhere in Space, we would only be 1/1000 to the closest Galaxy near us. (Distance to our next Galaxy (Andromeda M31) is 2.54 million light years -> 2.54 *10^6 ly 9.461*10^12 km per light year = distance of 24.03 *10^18 km).
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Since Adam to us, around 6,000 years, we would barely make it out of our own Galaxy!

The YEC Group just amazes me how they cannot grasp just how big Space is in relation to travel according to seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, etc...

It boggles my mind to think someone can believe this Universe is only 6,000 years old when it would take 100 quadrillion lifetimes of human beings to reach the closest point!
 
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The Universe is so vast, that if we took the age of every human being that lived and is currently living, we would not even be 1/quadrillion way to the edge of Space. And, it keeps expanding as each second passes. It literally would take infinity times who knows to fly from Earth to get to the edge. And we shrink that down to 6,000 years HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I've smoked some good stuff in my life, but never that good!
 
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biker said:
The Universe is so vast, that if we took the age of every human being that lived and is currently living, we would not even be 1/quadrillion way to the edge of Space. And, it keeps expanding as each second passes. It literally would take infinity times who knows to fly from Earth to get to the edge. And we shrink that down to 6,000 years HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I've smoked some good stuff in my life, but never that good!
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I feel ashamed that Believers have condensed God down like this. And to imagine that if we could get beyond Space, we possibly might find Heaven. That is how far away God is while He is still living in our hearts. He is so Amazing it baffles me!
 
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