1 Peter 3:19-20 and 1 Peter 4:6 different interpretations.

[miknik5]

Only two that I know of, Abraham's bosom and the prison.

GOD is not a respector of persons...those who died prior to CHRISTś advent did not have the opportunity to hear the GOSPEL preached

If HE turned the whole world over to disobedience so as to be just when HE judges, and the justifier of all whose faith is in CHRIST, then those who didn´t hear the GOSPE will be judged differently? Worse, because they did not benefit from hearing the GOSPEL while they were alive, they have died in their sins with no hope.

When CHRIST read from the scroll, HE announced HIS present ministry which included these in prison...

Please read Isaiah 61 and tie it to Luke 4

 

[miknik5]

CHRIST has two ministries...
HE only announced the one...
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,______________________________________________________

The blank line above represents HIS other ministry which has not yet come to pass

 

[Ahwatukee]

Then what about Noah and the flood?
The world died because they didnt believe that it was going to rain.
Sin of unbelief keep them from the Ark of safety

No! They died because the angels corrupted mankind by taking human wives and brought for giants. Then the angels taught them sorcery, astrology, how to make weapons of war, signs, etc., etc. Because of these things mankind was corrupted. In addition, because God's said that he was going to flood the earth, then that was the word of God, which they did not heed. They had a hundred years to believe, but did not. It's kind of the same today. We tell people that the wrath of God is going to be coming upon the earth in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and they are not taking the warning. They are told that without faith in Jesus they are already condemned if they remain in that state, but they don't believe, nor will they repent.

The floods is coming and they are eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, planting and building and God is about to destroy everything. When they say "Peace and security, then sudden destruction will come upon them."

 

[KJV1611]

GOD is not a respector of persons...those who died prior to CHRISTś advent did not have the opportunity to hear the GOSPEL preached

If HE turned the whole world over to disobedience so as to be just when HE judges, and the justifier of all whose faith is in CHRIST, then those who didn´t hear the GOSPE will be judged differently? Worse, because they did not benefit from hearing the GOSPEL while they were alive, they have died in their sins with no hope.

When CHRIST read from the scroll, HE announced HIS present ministry which included these in prison...

Please read Isaiah 61 and tie it to Luke 4

The gospel was preached in the Old Testament. The church and grace existed long before Christ came, Christ was in the church in the wilderness.

The only reason the Old Testament saints were in Abraham's bosom was to wait for Christ to come and pay for their sins. They looked forward to the coming of Christ, we look back at it.

 

[KJV1611]

CHRIST has two ministries...
HE only announced the one...
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,______________________________________________________

The blank line above represents HIS other ministry which has not yet come to pass

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

The day of vengeance was in 70 AD. That's when the wrath of God was poured out on the Jews for killing the prophets and Jesus.

 

[oyster67]

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

The day of vengeance was in 70 AD. That's when the wrath of God was poured out on the Jews for killing the prophets and Jesus.

Fine, whatever, but don't you think it also has a future fulfillment after Jesus' second coming? He will then begin His Millennial Reign upon the Earth.

Isaiah 61
61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;
61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

 

[KJV1611]

Fine, whatever, but don't you think it also has a future fulfillment after Jesus' second coming? He will then begin His Millennial Reign upon the Earth.

Isaiah 61
61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;
61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

I'm open to a future fulfillment if someone could show me two different "last days" destructions of Israel in the Old Testament. So far I haven't found it.

 

[miknik5]

The gospel was preached in the Old Testament. The church and grace existed long before Christ came, Christ was in the church in the wilderness.

The only reason the Old Testament saints were in Abraham's bosom was to wait for Christ to come and pay for their sins. They looked forward to the coming of Christ, we look back at it.

CHRIST is the BODY , (both the FOUNDATION and the HEAD), through which the CHURCH/HOUSE is being built up...

 

[miknik5]

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

The day of vengeance was in 70 AD. That's when the wrath of God was poured out on the Jews for killing the prophets and Jesus.

No not really

 

[miknik5]

KJV, Are you saying that the blood of Abel through Zechariah has already been avenged then?

Thereś a day of vengeance sir...
But it has not yet come...

 

[KJV1611]

KJV, Are you saying that the blood of Abel through Zechariah has already been avenged then?

Yes it has been avenged, it was avenged when the responsible parties were annihilated in 70 AD.

 

[Diakonos]

"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;"-KJV

“After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits” -NIV

"Preach" simply means to make an announcement or proclaim something. There's no difference in meaning.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Days of Vengeance:

(Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.)

(Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.)

(Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled)

(Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.)

(Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.)

 

[miknik5]

Days of Vengeance:

(Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.)

(Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.)

(Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled)

(Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.)

(Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.)

This hasn´t happened yet.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Fine, whatever, but don't you think it also has a future fulfillment after Jesus' second coming? He will then begin His Millennial Reign upon the Earth.

Isaiah 61
61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;
61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Good day to you Oyster67!

"The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” - Luke 4:18-19

Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

The scripture above does indeed have a future fulfillment. If you compare Isaiah 61:1-3, you'll notice that in mid sentence, Jesus omitted the following:

"and the day of vengeance of our God"

The reason for this is that, though the rest of what Jesus had quoted had been fulfilled that day, the day of vengeance had not yet taken place and is in fact still future, which is referring to the tribulation period and the time of Jacob's trouble, i.e. the day of vengeance of our God.

 

[miknik5]

Yes it has been avenged, it was avenged when the responsible parties were annihilated in 70 AD.

No it hasn´t the whole point of the message in Matthew 23 was because those who should have recognized HIM, did not...and therefore HE said, you blame your forefathers for the death of the prophets and say that had you been alive, you wouldn´t have killed the prophets. You therefore, testify against yourself saying you are indeed the children of the fathers who killed the prophets...
CHRIST goes on to say, therefore, I am sending you prophets...some you will kill and stone...so that the blood of ALL the prophets, from Abel to Zechariah will fall upon this generation...

This is happening even to this very day...and will happen up to and through beginning of the times of Jacob´s troubles...

 

[KJV1611]

No it hasn´t the whole point of the message in Matthew 23 was because those who should have recognized HIM, did not...and therefore HE said, you blame your forefathers for the death of the prophets and say that had you been alive, you wouldn´t have killed the prophets. You therefore, testify against yourself saying you are indeed the children of the fathers who killed the prophets...
CHRIST goes on to say, therefore, I am sending you prophets...some you will kill and stone...so that the blood of ALL the prophets, from Abel to Zechariah will fall upon this generation...

This is happening even to this very day...and will happen up to and through beginning of the times of Jacob´s troubles...

You said it will fall upon ”this generation” and that’s what happened, it fell upon them in that generation. See below, everything is about Jerusalem and the generation alive at that time.

Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[garee]

Good day to you Oyster67!

"The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” - Luke 4:18-19

Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

The scripture above does indeed have a future fulfillment. If you compare Isaiah 61:1-3, you'll notice that in mid sentence, Jesus omitted the following:

"and the day of vengeance of our God"

The reason for this is that, though the rest of what Jesus had quoted had been fulfilled that day, the day of vengeance had not yet taken place and is in fact still future, which is referring to the tribulation period and the time of Jacob's trouble, i.e. the day of vengeance of our God.

The time of Jacobs (meaning the deceiver) trouble began when the veil was rent. There was no fleshly Jewish king behind the curtain ready to destroy the gentiles . The reformation had come Satan has fallen, unable to deceive all the nations that God was a God to the Jewish flesh. No longer could he masquerade as a wolf in sheep's clothing "Jewish flesh" the time of the promised mockery of God had come. A terrible time for a unbelieving Jew. One like never before that continues to receive the strong delusion sent by the Spirit of Christ.

The day of vengeance is the last day .On that day the letter of the law "death" will be cast into the judgement fire of God never to rise and condemn through corruption another creation .

When trying to find meaning in the parables found in the Book of Revelation it is advisable to use the interpreting instructions .That not only is the word of God inspired from heaven but also is signified.

If a person literalizes the signified understanding in parables the mystery is lost and new innovations come in.

The Amil position works the best for those "not of the number" (walk by sight) .

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

 

[miknik5]

You said it will fall upon ”this generation” and that’s what happened, it fell upon them in that generation. See below, everything is about Jerusalem and the generation alive at that time.

Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

This generation is the generation who benefitted by HIS coming into the world...and it is also this generation who will be judged more harshly...for they had the benefit of hearing the GOSPEL, and yet some continue in disbelief.

Which is why it is written, the men of Ninevah will stand in the judgment and condemn...THIS GENERATION...for they listened to the words of Jonah, now ONE GREATER THAN JONAH has come...

 

[miknik5]

It is NOT specific to JUST the UNBELIEVING JEW