The War Of Ideas

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Roughsoul1991

Roughsoul1991

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crossnote said:
Eternity may well be spent in learning from God.
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I absolutely believe this to be true. Every church of denomination will get to Heaven and then figure out what they had true and and what was a little off or completely wrong. God sees the heart. Not everyone believes something with malicious intentions.
 
Roughsoul1991

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Nehemiah6 said:
The Bible (the New Testament) is crystal clear that the New Covenant CANCELS the Old Covenant. So you already have a very serious misunderstanding of the finished work of Christ, and the New Covenant in His blood. Just another reason why we will not be seeing unity within Christendom.

Then we have the Catholic Church claiming that the god of Islam -- Allah -- is the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (the triune Godhead). As the OP will note, there are good reasons for why Christianity is not monolithic, and even cooperation between denominations can be spiritually dangerous.
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Very true. We must be wise and determine what lines are worth taking a stand on. Dealing with legalism I believe it would be wise to study how Paul or the Apostles dealt with their Jewish converts. I will just say yes there was correction but there was also grace as some still felt the need to worship on certain days, eat certain things, or practice hair shavings or even circumcision as Paul and one of his disciples participated in.
 
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Blain said:
Well if the laborers are few but the harvest is great let us remember it only takes a spark to make the fire burn. It may seem like a lost cause but so did Jesus coming to give salvation, people hoped for it they wanted it they looked for it but didn't expect it.
We are on cc all the time and we see this division we don't like it but what do we do about it? If we are to be on here let it be in love, if we are to speak on here let be in love and if we are to be in the midst of arrows on the front lines let it be in love.

Every group in history that made a difference that made the impossible seem possible started in small numbers but they didn't do what they did because they saw a lost cause they did what they did because they saw hope because they believed because against all odds they fought the good fight.

If one sees and knows the problem they are responsible to be part of the solution and if indeed God himself sees and knows the problem what or rather who does he usually use to fix it? His children.
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Regardless even if we are alone, divided or United we will still face the same fiery arrows of the evil one. Alone or divided we can be surrounded. A United front with our faith interlocked to shield us from the arrows and to side by side we hold the line. Fighting alone is exhausting and the enemy knows this.

All things are possible with God even if I have wishful thinking. All it takes is a little faith and like you said a spark. Let this all who read be that spark. It isnt easy when facing the arrows. Learn to deflect, keep pushing forward, until you have surrounded the opposition with love, peace, joy, kindness, patience, goodness, and faithfulness with the boundaries of grace that God gave to you.
 
Blik

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Nehemiah6 said:
The Bible (the New Testament) is crystal clear that the New Covenant CANCELS the Old Covenant. So you already have a very serious misunderstanding of the finished work of Christ, and the New Covenant in His blood. Just another reason why we will not be seeing unity within Christendom.

Then we have the Catholic Church claiming that the god of Islam -- Allah -- is the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (the triune Godhead). As the OP will note, there are good reasons for why Christianity is not monolithic, and even cooperation between denominations can be spiritually dangerous.
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My bible tells me that the old testament is now obsolete, and the word obsolete does not mean cancel.

What is very dangerous is adding to scripture and not listening to God.
 
Roughsoul1991

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crossnote said:
Can you rephrase that a bit clearer?
Every church or denomination will get to Heaven.. or 'that will get to heaven'?
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Not preaching universalism. Just simply meant I'm sure we all will learn what we had right or wrong.
 
Blain

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Roughsoul1991 said:
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Regardless even if we are alone, divided or United we will still face the same fiery arrows of the evil one. Alone or divided we can be surrounded. A United front with our faith interlocked to shield us from the arrows and to side by side we hold the line. Fighting alone is exhausting and the enemy knows this.

All things are possible with God even if I have wishful thinking. All it takes is a little faith and like you said a spark. Let this all who read be that spark. It isnt easy when facing the arrows. Learn to deflect, keep pushing forward, until you have surrounded the opposition with love, peace, joy, kindness, patience, goodness, and faithfulness with the boundaries of grace that God gave to you.
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Well if there is one thing that unites it's a common enemy and if the enemy makes a move we all might have no choice but to unite together.

Things are not looking good in the world today and it seems like as of now we are getting a little break but something still is on the horizon and I think I am not the only one who thinks so people can just sense it like the calm before the storm.
 
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Blain said:
Well if there is one thing that unites it's a common enemy and if the enemy makes a move we all might have no choice but to unite together.

Things are not looking good in the world today and it seems like as of now we are getting a little break but something still is on the horizon and I think I am not the only one who thinks so people can just sense it like the calm before the storm.
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Just to think we once fought a war United with the Soviet union and China in WW2.
 
Blain

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Roughsoul1991 said:
Just to think we once fought a war United with the Soviet union and China in WW2.
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Yeah and even then it looked like the germans were unstoppable. you know I have a friend who is german and we used to joke around with me saying your people killed my people and he would say well yeah they wanted to overprice us.
Lookinh back that was not in good taste but we were 12, to this day we are still friends he is in the navy now
 
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Blain said:
Yeah and even then it looked like the germans were unstoppable. you know I have a friend who is german and we used to joke around with me saying your people killed my people and he would say well yeah they wanted to overprice us.
Lookinh back that was not in good taste but we were 12, to this day we are still friends he is in the navy now
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My dad's side is from Germany. But they had immigrated before the war. And in fact both of my grandfathers was in the US military during the war. Never really got to meet them both died from lung cancer.
 
Blain

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Roughsoul1991 said:
My dad's side is from Germany. But they had immigrated before the war. And in fact both of my grandfathers was in the US military during the war. Never really got to meet them both died from lung cancer.
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Honestly I learned about the war in school but history bored me back then I was not the knowledge hungry person I am today but from what I think I remember hitler was doing all this because he thought jews were a lesser race or something? I think he also had a fascination with twins that he didi experiments with but I could be wrong.
Have you ever wondered what your grandparents were like?
 
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Blik said:
My bible tells me that the old testament is now obsolete, and the word obsolete does not mean cancel.

What is very dangerous is adding to scripture and not listening to God.
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Oh Dear!! Whatever made me write testament instead of covenant!!!!

Scripture tells us the old COVENANT is obsolete.
 
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Blain said:
Honestly I learned about the war in school but history bored me back then I was not the knowledge hungry person I am today but from what I think I remember hitler was doing all this because he thought jews were a lesser race or something? I think he also had a fascination with twins that he didi experiments with but I could be wrong.
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It is never that simple with history. Hitler basically was practicing eugenics and unfortunately largely influenced by the eugenics movement in America with the creation of planned parenthood. And also influenced by Charles Darwin's cousin who created the theory of eugenics.

In eugenics he had this perfect race in mind. Which means not just the Jews but eventually everyone would suffer. Jews wasn't the only people took off to death camps.

Germans did commit horrible experiments on kids and people. Including making perfect soldiers.

Yes. I always wonder what all they could of taught me.
 
Blain

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Blik said:
Oh Dear!! Whatever made me write testament instead of covenant!!!!

Scripture tells us the old COVENANT is obsolete.
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No worries I knew what you meant XD
 
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posthuman said:
yes, how long will it take to apprehend the Infinite Lord?
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I was thinking of apprehend like putting someone in jail.

But it is a good use of the double meaning. It is just as likely to throw God in Jail as it is to completely understand Him.
 
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