CESSATIONISM AND HEALING

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Yes. . .Isaiah 53:4 Our father in heaven working with the Son to both will and do the good pleasure of God.

Can't heal the dead flesh. . and like Jesus said of his flesh. . . . it profits for zero. Its dead carrying out the letter of the law death . (you shall surely die.)

Christ's goal was not to heal the corrupted flesh over and over but rather the power to give a eternal gift the spirit of confidence assuring us that if Christ has began the good work in us he will finish it leaving us a living hope of a new incorruptible body.

The devil "the antichrist's mouth piece" makes it about dead flesh and blood .As a lying spirit he has no form(flesh and blood) .He has no power to draw men away from God without the feet of mankind, as false apostles'.

In that way we let the dead bury the dead. Those who beleive hear the living word that does work in us, as the Spirit defines the us, and those who went out and stayed out from us.
Rubbish. Epaphroditus was healed. It was God's will to heal him. Read the bible.
 
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Many things in the last day will happen to show man that all those natural things that they have long held as truths, will no longer hold true...man will either call on GOD, or will accuse GOD...

You sir, are implying to people that HE is not a good father, that HE is behind these evil things which will begin to happen...
HE isn´t...HE just let go...temporarily....

Men wlll either come to the understanding that ALL ALONG IT WAS HIS GRACE upon all men...whether believer or unbeliever...

Or he will curse/blame/attribute to GOD (what should not be attributed to GOD) and will be cast into utter darkness...

Isaiah mentions this to, as does Job, as does Revelation...
None has all authority in heaven and earth except Jesus. Nothing including covid 19 can happen apart from His plan. Repent from heresy.
 

wolfwint

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When I ask for opinion there must be an answer not stupid questions. lol.
People gave there opinions and you called them stupid and wrong. So for what you asking, if you only accept your own View and telling as truth?
But I see you are not willing ore able to answer. Instead you are attacking the Person. Thats its no christlike. So your way to treat others reveal what is in you. So it Shows also that the message you try to spread is wrong. Why someone should believe you?
 
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his thread is not talking about what you claimed to be-atonement of Christ. This thread is talking about when you are sick, you dpnd n doctor to heal you or Jesus Christ?:):)
When covid 19 comes go and trust in doctors!!!
 
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People gave there opinions and you called them stupid and wrong. So for what you asking, if you only accept your own View and telling as truth?
But I see you are not willing ore able to answer. Instead you are attacking the Person. Thats its no christlike. So your way to treat others reveal what is in you. So it Shows also that the message you try to spread is wrong. Why someone should believe you?
Your stupid answers reject healing through faith in Christ's atonement.
 
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So you believe Christian never sick or never die from sickness?
Peter sunk in water due to unbelief. If you don't believe you cannot be healed through Christ's atonement. Don't justify unbelief. Grow in faith.
 

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Rubbish. Epaphroditus was healed. It was God's will to heal him. Read the bible.
It is always GOD´S WILL to allow what He will allow...not to cause evil...you repent sir.
 

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Peter sunk in water due to unbelief. If you don't believe you cannot be healed through Christ's atonement. Don't justify unbelief. Grow in faith.
You do not even UNDERSTAND what it ACTUALLY means to grow in faith, sir...
 

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Your stupid answers reject healing through faith in Christ's atonement.
James would remind you that you sir, are still a long way from becoming a perfect man...your tongue betrays you
 

miknik5

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What is biblical faith?
You don´t understand biblical faith...you need to review and pray for that understanding...
And sir, within the struggles THAT is when BIBILICAL and GENUINE FAITH will be made manifest...
 
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Rubbish. Epaphroditus was healed. It was God's will to heal him. Read the bible.
Yes it was God's will Just as with the Acts 14 account.

The invisible working of the gospel words that are spirt and life giving (the hand of God ) And those who had no faith none not little because they did not mix faith in what they did see they made to apostles into gods in the likeness of men .Blasphemy the same kind you are trying to sell as another gospel. unless you are creating Greek gods you might want to study the word faith and how God uses it so that we might hear him .Not our own selves. .

Preached the gospel the power of God unto salvation a permanent healing.

And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Acts 14: 7-

"leaping and walking" a metaphorical gospel phrase used in parables throughout the bible . A picture of salvation. . Giving us a new spirit so that we might walk by faith in agreement with His words of living hope .

Amos 3:3 Two people will not walk together unless they have agreed to do so.

The ability to walk is not after those who seek after "signs and wonders gospel", looking to the temporal things seen the corruptible.

Their ability to walk is taken away by following the voice of a stranger causing them to be born lame .

And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: Genesis 3: 14

Once, I am hoping you get to the preaching of the gospel of faith, the power of God unto salvation. Then we do have a opportunity to believe as his word gives us the vision and can walk closer together as three .

Whose teaching are you following after. Jupiter, Mercurius?

Is Paul the main speaker and we make him a god in the likeness of men or God not seen who healed the man with words of eternal life?( Stand upright on thy feet.)




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Peter sunk in water due to unbelief. If you don't believe you cannot be healed through Christ's atonement. Don't justify unbelief. Grow in faith.
Peter is not the source of faith that kept him a afloat. That's a Catholic idea. Is Peter your Pope also?

Jesus removed the source that kept him afloat by distracting Peter with a little thunder as a voice .Time to sink down you go. Only God has the power to defy gravity .. My hope he keeps us afloat.

And Jesus said, Come take your first baby step. . Like when he called Lazarus "Rise". It worked in Peter to both will and do the good pleasure of God .This shows us Peter had no faith. Not even enough to keep your false doctrine afloat.

A good lesson. . . when we get the eyes off our new born again hearts off Jesus we sink.
 

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Your stupid answers reject healing through faith in Christ's atonement.
When I am wrong in your View. Why we dont read any adwise in the word of God where this is taught to other believers (christians). Any of the Apostels should right it down in their letter to the New churches, such an important fact. But they did not!
Coming around with an empty claim helpes nobody, nor is it a benefit.
 

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When I am wrong in your View. Why we dont read any adwise in the word of God where this is taught to other believers (christians). Any of the Apostels should right it down in their letter to the New churches, such an important fact. But they did not!
Coming around with an empty claim helpes nobody, nor is it a benefit.
I mean of course," should write it down"
 
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Nonsense. Your doctrine somehow does not allow for Christian's to grow and be healed by faith in Christ's atonement.

You want christians to remain as spiritual babies depending on miracle workers for healing.
Huh?

No miracles for his own family?
Paul raised from the dead and healed from the deadly snake because he is a baby?