Prophecy, it’s not what most think.

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Grandpa

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Dave-L said:
If you know your bible well, I'll make sense to you.
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You do make sense. And I agree with most of what you state.

I'm just wondering how you can be sure.


I know why I am sure.
 
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Dave-L said:
No, just not understood until fulfillment 83 out of 94 times.
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That's not what you said. This is what you said.

"Whitelaw says only 11 of 94 prophecies ever happened exactly as written. That means you will be wrong the remaining 83 times."

Stating that people didn't understand the prophecies is just absolute rubbish. Daniel understood the prophecies perfectly well as do I.
 
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Grandpa said:
You do make sense. And I agree with most of what you state.

I'm just wondering how you can be sure.


I know why I am sure.
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I don't stray from the Ecumenical Creeds for one. This includes the trinity, deity of Christ, Amillennialism, Total Depravity (no free will). And I stick close to the Reformers in matters of sin and grace. Charismatic issues are self-evident if you study their history.
 
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cv5 said:
That's not what you said. This is what you said.

"Whitelaw says only 11 of 94 prophecies ever happened exactly as written. That means you will be wrong the remaining 83 times."

Stating that people didn't understand the prophecies is just absolute rubbish. Daniel understood the prophecies perfectly well as do I.
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I said 11 out of 94 were understood as written. I'll bet you don't understand Daniel the way Jesus did.
 
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Dave-L said:
I don't stray from the Ecumenical Creeds for one. This includes the trinity, deity of Christ, Amillennialism, Total Depravity (no free will). And I stick close to the Reformers in matters of sin and grace. Charismatic issues are self-evident if you study their history.
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I guess I have taken a different path but have come to many of the same conclusions.

Every denomination that I have seen has carnal people who take advantage of other carnal people. It doesn't make the whole denomination wrong. Its just easier for the wolves to come in to certain denominations than others.
 
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Dave-L said:
I said 11 out of 94 were understood as written. I'll bet you don't understand Daniel the way Jesus did.
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You would be betting wrong their bub. Okay man you're on ignore because you are a truly hopeless case.
 
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You would be betting wrong their bub. Okay man you're on ignore because you are a truly hopeless case.
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If you know the truth, not need to ignore me.
 
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Blain said:
Again though your cherry picking. Anyone can do a quick google search for scriptures that fit what their saying and plenty will come up but if taken out of context you make the scriptures say what they aren't saying.
This though is just me warning you about doing this as for your stance to be honest I am not entirely sure what your saying. You mention a 3.5 year tribulation but there are seven years so are you refering to the latter 3.5?
And also yes he does come in fire and fury but he doesn't create the new heaven earth and Jerusalem in that fury he does this after he finally fully completes everything defeating the enemy once and for all and the then he does this where will live with him and reign forever and ever.

I mean unless I am mistaken it sounded like you were saying there are only 3.5 years of tribulation and that Jesus would create in his fury and judgement a new kingdom. I mean the part especially of creating a new kingdom in his fire and judgement is not how he operates. He created this world in love and would not create the new one in anything else especially not in that fiery state.
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Blaine I believed as you in dispensationalism for 20 years, pre-trib rapture, Millennial kingdom, neither are in the Scripture.
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I had to give you a RED X for that response Dave. Nothing personal, I just don't agree with your take on the millennium and end-time events in general. I don't believe that anyone has a complete understanding of prophecy but it is clear to me from scripture that the millennium is a physical event and that the events leading up to that are literally events that have not yet happened.
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No such thing as a physical kingdom on this earth, where Jesus Christ is present for 1,000 years.

A false teaching of man, found no place in Scripture.

Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by fire.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Blaine I believed as you in dispensationalism for 20 years, pre-trib rapture, Millennial kingdom, neither are in the Scripture.
No such thing as a physical kingdom on this earth, where Jesus Christ is present for 1,000 years.

A false teaching of man, found no place in Scripture.

Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by fire.
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By the sounds of it you are unlearned in exegeting prophecy. Give it time and keep at it. As of now you are off on the wrong track.
 
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garee said:
God is not a man
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That was written before Jesus became a man.
The greek language speaks of the incarnation as a perfect tense action, meaning it happened once and for all and cannot be undone or re-done. It was a permanent change.

The Hebrew writer also tells us that Jesus is currently a man, and remains the permanent mediator between us and the Father:
“For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,” (1 Timothy 2:5)
 
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By the sounds of it you are unlearned in exegeting prophecy. Give it time and keep at it. As of now you are off on the wrong track.
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He's in line with Scripture and the Church in history. Your doctrine came from the Jesuits trying to deceive the Reformed. The Jesuits don't even believe it. They are playing many for suckers.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Tribulation doesn't start until the Man of Sin/Antichrist, breaks the covenant and proclaims to be God Messiah in Jerusalem.
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You mean the 2nd half of Tribulation doesn't start because the antichrist will stop Daily Sacrifice, that was taking place for the first part of the Tribulation, and then he will sit on the Temple Throne claiming he is Yahweh.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Blaine I believed as you in dispensationalism for 20 years, pre-trib rapture, Millennial kingdom, neither are in the Scripture.
No such thing as a physical kingdom on this earth, where Jesus Christ is present for 1,000 years.

A false teaching of man, found no place in Scripture.

Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by fire.
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Actually if you look closely there is evidence to supports all of those views as well as yours but that requires the abitilty to look at the word of God with an open heart and have a teachable heart, we can believe in our own views however if we hold so steadfast them and refuse to look at others with an open mind and heart then even if the truth is presented to us we will be blind to it
 
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Actually if you look closely there is evidence to supports all of those views as well as yours but that requires the abitilty to look at the word of God with an open heart and have a teachable heart, we can believe in our own views however if we hold so steadfast them and refuse to look at others with an open mind and heart then even if the truth is presented to us we will be blind to it
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The problem is, the gap Dispensationalists place between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks. This turns Jesus into Antichrist and denies he fulfilled the prophecy on time. Only the born again can see the kingdom. Since Dispies cannot see it, thinking it's physical, they join with the Pharisees in a mutual rejection of Christ and his kingdom.
 
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Dave-L said:
He's in line with Scripture and the Church in history. Your doctrine came from the Jesuits trying to deceive the Reformed. The Jesuits don't even believe it. They are playing many for suckers.
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Church history, you mean removing what the Church Fathers wrote and then what the pagan Constantine forced as a creed?
 
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Church history, you mean removing what the Church Fathers wrote and then what the pagan Constantine forced as a creed?
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It's deeper and older than that.
 
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Dave-L said:
It's deeper and older than that.
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I hope so, since the current creeds were formed by PAGANS!



Encyclopedia Britannica 1968
"The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325. Constantine himself presiding, actively guiding the discussion, and personally proposed the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council 'of one substance with the father.' Over-awed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them against their inclination. Constantine regarded the decision of Nicaea as divinely inspired. As long as he lived no one dared openly to challenge the creed of Nicaea."

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If that is factual, then it was a PAGAN EMPEROR who demanded the beliefs of TODAY!
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If that is factual, then Modern Day View is 100% Pagan Inspired!
 
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biker said:
I hope so, since the current creeds were formed by PAGANS!



Encyclopedia Britannica 1968
"The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325. Constantine himself presiding, actively guiding the discussion, and personally proposed the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council 'of one substance with the father.' Over-awed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them against their inclination. Constantine regarded the decision of Nicaea as divinely inspired. As long as he lived no one dared openly to challenge the creed of Nicaea."

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If that is factual, then it was a PAGAN EMPEROR who demanded the beliefs of TODAY!
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If that is factual, then Modern Day View is 100% Pagan Inspired!
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The truth is not of pagan origin.
 
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I need to go but when I see "creeds" thrown out into arguments I begin to cringe!
 
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Dave-L said:
The truth is not of pagan origin.
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Yet, the Church Fathers and Bishops saw it differently from Constantine, who was PAGAN. And as Emperor, he forced his views. Therefore, his views in today's beliefs are indeed PAGAN!
 
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