THE LIE IN LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY

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Sackcloth-N-Ashes

Sackcloth-N-Ashes

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Sudakar said:
In order to be saved, you have changed your mind by lowering the bar of what lordship requires in mathew 5:48 to suit your degree of sinfulness. Your concept of lordship is "diluted" & subjective and not according to mathew 5:48!!
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes

Sackcloth-N-Ashes

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Sudakar said:
MacArthur states:

"Submission to the will of God, to Christ’s lordship, and to the guiding of the Spirit is an essential, not an optional, part of saving faith" (EPHESIANS, p. 249).
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So, one doesn’t have to submit to the will of God to be saved? Christ doesn’t have to be their Lord in order to be saved. One doesn’t have to be guided by the Holy Spirit in order to be saved?

Bruh, you’re holding to Free Grace Theology where a person can live as they want, and since they “prayed the prayer”, they’re still saved. You’re promoting a life a lasciviousness. Congrats!
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
So, one doesn’t have to submit to the will of God to be saved? Christ doesn’t have to be their Lord in order to be saved. One doesn’t have to be guided by the Holy Spirit in order to be saved?

Bruh, you’re holding to Free Grace Theology where a person can live as they want, and since they “prayed the prayer”, they’re still saved. You’re promoting a life a lasciviousness. Congrats!
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That is not free grace theology .. just like how people do not like to be misrepresented as "Calvinists" same holds true the other way.
 
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preacher4truth said:
No person believing the biblical doctrine of so-called LS believes “Salvation…comes from a life lived in obedience…”

That and nowhere on page 93 did MacArthur make your above “quote.” See for yourselves:

https://books.google.com/books?id=NcLwhTDBICgC&pg=PP3&source=kp_read_button

Looks like your boy Thomas M. Cucuzza did a little embellishing and conflating of MacArthur's words, which is slander. His statement in his book “Secure Forever” is not what MacArthur said in his opening statement of chapter 6:


https://books.google.com/books?id=Q6gqpxrthw4C&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&dq=It+comes+from+a+life+lived+in+obedience+and+service+to+Christ&source=bl&ots=r9VMVVKTJZ&sig=ACfU3U25zxYEhOjd74KSQeNCKnbZRsqMHg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwihlK-o7cTpAhUQVc0KHXEoAioQ6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ&f=false

I just wanted everyone to see the embellished lie on MacArthur and be reminded not to believe anything and everything a person quotes. MacArthur has been both misrepresented and slandered. Our friend posting this has been mislead about LS as I stated all along. Be wise; Proverbs 14:15.

Now @Sudakar has the opportunity to accept or reject refutation and correction.:)
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I cannot see page 93.. it is not available? :unsure:
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
What he’s averring is my understanding of FGT.
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Many preachers misrepresent on both sides.. free grace theology is not decisional regeneration ... nor is a promotion of lasciviousness.

It is the basic belief that salvation is a "free gift" ... not given based on the promise of good works or submission, based totally upon the grace of God and the work of Christ Jesus and not quid pro quo.

If you think salvation is "quid pro quo" then you have lordship salvation.
 
miknik5

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preacher4truth said:
No person believing the biblical doctrine of so-called LS believes “Salvation…comes from a life lived in obedience…”

That and nowhere on page 93 did MacArthur make your above “quote.” See for yourselves:

https://books.google.com/books?id=NcLwhTDBICgC&pg=PP3&source=kp_read_button

Looks like your boy Thomas M. Cucuzza did a little embellishing and conflating of MacArthur's words, which is slander. His statement in his book “Secure Forever” is not what MacArthur said in his opening statement of chapter 6:


https://books.google.com/books?id=Q6gqpxrthw4C&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&dq=It+comes+from+a+life+lived+in+obedience+and+service+to+Christ&source=bl&ots=r9VMVVKTJZ&sig=ACfU3U25zxYEhOjd74KSQeNCKnbZRsqMHg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwihlK-o7cTpAhUQVc0KHXEoAioQ6AEwAHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ&f=false

I just wanted everyone to see the embellished lie on MacArthur and be reminded not to believe anything and everything a person quotes. MacArthur has been both misrepresented and slandered. Our friend posting this has been mislead about LS as I stated all along. Be wise; Proverbs 14:15.

Now @Sudakar has the opportunity to accept or reject refutation and correction.:)
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Thank God. I never found John MacCarthur to teach against THE TRUTH
 
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From Good Reads..
“Don’t believe anyone who says it’s easy to become a Christian. Salvation for sinners cost God His own Son; it cost God’s Son His life, and it’ll cost you the same thing. Salvation isn’t the result of an intellectual exercise. It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ as revealed in the Scripture; it’s the fruit of actions, not intentions. There’s no room for passive spectators: words without actions are empty and futile. Remember that what John saw in his vision of judgment was a Book of Life, not a Book of Words or Book of Intellectual Musings. The life we live, not the words we speak, determines our eternal destiny.”
― John F. MacArthur Jr., Hard to Believe: The High Cost and Infinite Value of Following Jesus
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.https://www.goodreads.com/work/quot...gh-cost-and-infinite-value-of-following-jesus
 
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EleventhHour

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preacher4truth said:
That's not what the book says in Chapter 6.
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For me Chapter 6 is no longer clickable...

I did learn about this so maybe this explains it....

MacArthur’s teaching and that they are nothing less than works-righteousness. It appears that there were some changes made in the text by the editors of the publishing house that were not sent to MacArthur for affirmation. Therefore the books went to press with statements that are quite disturbing. They plan to make changes if there is a second printing of the book.”
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https://www.challies.com/general-news/john-macarthurs-hard-to-believe-and-lordship-salvation/
 
preacher4truth

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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
What chapter is that quote found in?
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Cucuzza who "quoted" him used several ellipses (...) and it appears that several things may have said in the book were conglomerated out of context to make it appear he said something that is not in the actual book, which I looked at for evidence.

There is no need for the ellipses if it was a word for word quote. This is how some quote others out of context.
 
preacher4truth

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EleventhHour said:
I really think unless someone has the book it cannot be verified and there are two printings of the book.
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You can't read it? The link I gave starts you at the beginning of the book, scroll down to the chapters page. I can still click chapter 6, and it doesn't say what others state.
 
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preacher4truth said:
You can't read it? The link I gave starts you at the beginning of the book, scroll down to the chapters page. I can still click chapter 6, and it doesn't say what others state.
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Did that....
You must have special privileges .. :D
 
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Thank you very helpful.... at least if we are gonna slander we should be accurate... but the it wouldn't be slander now would it? :)
 
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