Is Jesus the son of God?

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Magenta

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Hello LeeLoving, I hope you are well today :) I realize you spend a lot of time analyzing certain terms in an attempt to come to a fuller understanding of what is meant, but it seems you belabor the details while missing the bigger picture, and also unfortunately seem to fail to synthesize and integrate what you learn, because you keep asking the same questions over and over again. Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of Man. Both of these terms hold meaning. Jesus is not only 100% human, but at the same time 100% God. @p_rehbein once put it like this in simplifying the Trinity concept of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit:

God of us.
God as us.
God in us.


I like that :)
 
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If you mean progeny, than no. If you mean of the same substance, yes. Jesus is the son of God but we cannot understand the term "son" in the same way we mean biological offspring since there is no point at which the Father existed that the Son did not.
 

Deuteronomy

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Is Jesus the son of God? The son of God the Father?
Hello LeeLoving, some of Jesus' enemies, the demons, knew who He was. For instance:

Matthew 8
28 When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.
29 And they cried out, saying, “What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

And the Lord Jesus knew who He was as well, of course. For instance, during a conversation that He was having with the Jews, He said:

John 10
36 ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’.

God bless you!

~Deut
 
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Hello LeeLoving, I hope you are well today :) I realize you spend a lot of time analyzing certain terms in an attempt to come to a fuller understanding of what is meant, but it seems you belabor the details while missing the bigger picture, and also unfortunately seem to fail to synthesize and integrate what you learn, because you keep asking the same questions over and over again. Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of Man. Both of these terms hold meaning. Jesus is not only 100% human, but at the same time 100% God. @p_rehbein once put it like this in simplifying the Trinity concept of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit:

God of us.
God as us.
God in us.


I like that :)
I might just want to know if Jesus is the son of God and if that means He is the son of God the Father.
 

Ahwatukee

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I might just want to know if Jesus is the son of God and if that means He is the son of God the Father.

Good day, LeeLoving!

Below is a document that I put together some years ago, which should answer your question about Jesus as the Son of God and Jesus as God.

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Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. (Immanuel means “God with us.”)

Isaiah.9:6 - For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Matthew 1:21-23 - She will give birth to a Son and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” -- Which means, “God with us.” (Isaiah 7:14)

John 1:1-2 - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

John 1:18 – No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.

John 5:17-18 - Jesus said to them “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 5:16-18 - Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.”

Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 8:56-59 – “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” “You are not yet fifty years old, “the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Note: The reason that the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus was because he used the name that God had given Moses by which God was to be remembered throughout all generations as the, I am. See the following Scripture:

Exodus 3:13-14 - Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, “The God of your fathers has sent me to you,” and they ask me, “What is his name?” Then what shall I tell them?” God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I am has sent me to you.”

John 10:29-33 - My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one. Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

John 14:6- Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.”

John 20:27-29 – Then he said to Thomas “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Acts 20:28 - Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Rom.9:5 - Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 - Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

Philippians 2:5-7 - Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Col.1:13-18 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Titus 2:13 - While we wait for the blessed hope -- the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

Heb.1:3 - The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.

Note: The verse below is as spoken by the Father regarding His Son, Jesus Christ:

Heb.1:8-11 - But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. He also says, “In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

2 Peter.1:1 - Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours.

I John 5:20 - We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true-- even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the [true God] and eternal life.

Revelation 1:17 - When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades.

Revelation 2:1 - These are the words of the First and the Last, who died and returned to life.

Revelation 22:12 - “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
 
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Good day, LeeLoving!

Below is a document that I put together some years ago, which should answer your question about Jesus as the Son of God and Jesus as God.

==============================================================================

Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. (Immanuel means “God with us.”)

Isaiah.9:6 - For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Matthew 1:21-23 - She will give birth to a Son and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” -- Which means, “God with us.” (Isaiah 7:14)

John 1:1-2 - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

John 1:18 – No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.

John 5:17-18 - Jesus said to them “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 5:16-18 - Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.”

Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 8:56-59 – “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” “You are not yet fifty years old, “the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Note: The reason that the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus was because he used the name that God had given Moses by which God was to be remembered throughout all generations as the, I am. See the following Scripture:

Exodus 3:13-14 - Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, “The God of your fathers has sent me to you,” and they ask me, “What is his name?” Then what shall I tell them?” God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I am has sent me to you.”

John 10:29-33 - My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one. Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

John 14:6- Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.”

John 20:27-29 – Then he said to Thomas “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Acts 20:28 - Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Rom.9:5 - Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 - Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

Philippians 2:5-7 - Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Col.1:13-18 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Titus 2:13 - While we wait for the blessed hope -- the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

Heb.1:3 - The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.

Note: The verse below is as spoken by the Father regarding His Son, Jesus Christ:

Heb.1:8-11 - But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. He also says, “In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

2 Peter.1:1 - Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours.

I John 5:20 - We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true-- even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the [true God] and eternal life.

Revelation 1:17 - When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. But He placed His right hand on me and said, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades.

Revelation 2:1 - These are the words of the First and the Last, who died and returned to life.

Revelation 22:12 - “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
That might be more than I can handle, Ahwatukee. Is Jesus the son of God though? Would that mean he is the son of God the Father?
 

Ahwatukee

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That might be more than I can handle, Ahwatukee. Is Jesus the son of God though, the son of God the Father?
Simply put, yes. If you remember, when the angel told Mary that she was with child, she said, "“How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” And what was the angels reply?

"The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God. "

Jesus, who existed with God the Father and as God (John 1:1) had a body prepared for him (Hebs.10:5), so that his spirit would be miraculously inserted into the human body that would become Jesus. Since Mary was a virgin, then it was through the miracle of God that she became pregnant.

"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”

Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”

Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father.
 
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That might be more than I can handle, Ahwatukee. Is Jesus the son of God though? Would that mean he is the son of God the Father?
This is a little short but do you think it’s enough info?

Matt 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
 
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Hello LeeLoving, I hope you are well today :) I realize you spend a lot of time analyzing certain terms in an attempt to come to a fuller understanding of what is meant, but it seems you belabor the details while missing the bigger picture, and also unfortunately seem to fail to synthesize and integrate what you learn, because you keep asking the same questions over and over again. Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of Man. Both of these terms hold meaning. Jesus is not only 100% human, but at the same time 100% God. @p_rehbein once put it like this in simplifying the Trinity concept of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit:

God of us.
God as us.
God in us


I like that :)
God in us
God in us
God in us


I would think 100% God as the Son of God. He is our High priest continually without a beginning of spirit life or end.

No difference in bodies of death.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I would think 100% the Spirit of Christ in the Son on man as a apostle prophet . Not my will but yours .The Spirit of Christ in the Son of man worked to both will and do the good pleasure of the father. No different than us yet Jesus was without sin

What applies to us applied to Him
 
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This is a little short but do you think it’s enough info?

Matt 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The two witnesses of God the temporal and the eternal.
 

Magenta

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God in us
God in us
God in us


I would think 100% God as the Son of God. He is our High priest continually without a beginning of spirit life or end.

No difference in bodies of death.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I would think 100% the Spirit of Christ in the Son on man as a apostle prophet . Not my will but yours .The Spirit of Christ in the Son of man worked to both will and do the good pleasure of the father. No different than us yet Jesus was without sin

What applies to us applied to Him
Eh?
 
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You mentioned....
God of us.
God as us.
God in us.

I said. God in us . Not of us or as us. God the creator is not a man.

.Just a the father was in the Son of man, Jesus our brother .Jesus did his will not the will of the flesh

We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. One is our Father in heaven God. The one time promised demonstration of a unseen work of two it is finished. No more demonstrations are propmised.
 

Magenta

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You mentioned....
God of us.
God as us.
God in us.

I said. God in us . Not of us or as us. God the creator is not a man.

.Just a the father was in the Son of man, Jesus our brother .Jesus did his will not the will of the flesh

We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. One is our Father in heaven God. The one time promised demonstration of a unseen work of two it is finished. No more demonstrations are propmised.
Are you denying the Deity of Jesus Christ?
 

p_rehbein

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This is what? The third or fourth time you have posted this question? Goodness.........

Here, I got you an Avatar:

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Simply put, yes. If you remember, when the angel told Mary that she was with child, she said, "“How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” And what was the angels reply?

"The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God. "

Jesus, who existed with God the Father and as God (John 1:1) had a body prepared for him (Hebs.10:5), so that his spirit would be miraculously inserted into the human body that would become Jesus. Since Mary was a virgin, then it was through the miracle of God that she became pregnant.

"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”

Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”

Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father.
Ok, so Jesus is the Son of God, the Son of God the Father? (might just help if you confirm this)

Was Jesus raised from the dead by the Father, Himself, and the Holy Spirit? (God is the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit, right? One God but three different Persons?)

I might be asking questions I've already asked before, but I might just need confirmation.
 

Ahwatukee

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Ok, so Jesus is the Son of God, the Son of God the Father? (might just help if you confirm this)

I might be asking questions I've already asked before, but I might just need confirmation.
Good day, Lee!

First, I would suggest that you go back and read that document that I previously posted that you said was a bit much.

To answer your question, there could be no doubt that Jesus is the Son of God the Father.

"In the beginning was the Word (Jesus preincarnate) and the Word was with God (the Father) and the Word was God." - John 1:1

Was Jesus raised from the dead by the Father, Himself, and the Holy Spirit? (God is the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit, right? One God but three different Persons?)
Now, that is an interesting question, because I find three different answers to this, as listed below:

Jesus resurrected Himself:

"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

" Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

God the Father resurrected Jesus:

"Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—

The Holy Spirit Resurrected Jesus:

And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

In conclusion, it appears according to scripture, that all three persons of the Godhead were involved in Jesus' resurrection.
 
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Good day, Lee!

First, I would suggest that you go back and read that document that I previously posted that you said was a bit much.

To answer your question, there could be no doubt that Jesus is the Son of God the Father.

"In the beginning was the Word (Jesus preincarnate) and the Word was with God (the Father) and the Word was God." - John 1:1



Now, that is an interesting question, because I find three different answers to this, as listed below:

Jesus resurrected Himself:

"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

" Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

God the Father resurrected Jesus:

"Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—

The Holy Spirit Resurrected Jesus:

And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

In conclusion, it appears according to scripture, that all three persons of the Godhead were involved in Jesus' resurrection.
Are you sure what you wrote to show that the Holy Spirit resurrected Jesus isn't talking about God the Father?