Poll: Are governments targeting Christians with Covid 19 restrictions?

[UnitedWithChrist]

Wow. Are you allowed to drink alcohol in a grocery store?

I would think weapons would only not be allowed where alcohol is consumed...

Although, shall not be infringed never mentioned anything about alcohol... Don't get me started...

That's the Michigan rule.

Indiana has no such rule, even though they sell alcohol at Walmart.

I guess maybe they think drunks are going to come in to buy more alcohol and might shoot someone. But I doubt a law would stop them, although a sober guy with a gun might.

 

[Grandpa]

LOL! Well, I am an anti-vaxer . . . so if I was President then . . .

But I agree that government should not step in in religious situations, but how far?
For example - what if a parent put his child to working 80 hours a week from age 5 on and never gave them any education - and spanked the children if they rebelled - essentially - slavery - and then gave them insufficient food and water - and
then handcuffed them to their bed at night
- How far till govt. should step in?

Well, when the parent ACTUALLY commits a crime...


If it is legal to abort children up to whatever age then why put some arbitrary age limit on it??? Why is it socially acceptable to abort a child but when it is born THEN it has to be protected by the government and all its arbitrary rules?

The child was born so NOW we really care about it... It was a child before it was born but it wasn't protected then...

 

[Grandpa]

That's the Michigan rule.

Indiana has no such rule, even though they sell alcohol at Walmart.

I guess maybe they think drunks are going to come in to buy more alcohol and might shoot someone. But I doubt a law would stop them, although a sober guy with a gun might.

Exactly correct.

Since when did enacting MORE laws cause people who break laws to stop breaking them???


Although, I'm sure that drunken gun fights in bars got old pretty fast...

 

[EleventhHour]

All the reasons for churches to not gather are great. It is perfect for people who despise Christianity in America. Because it even makes sense to Christians.

If YOU PERSONALLY feel unsafe going to church then don't go.

However, the Constitution of the United States is supposed to protect the peoples right to exercise their religion. In fact, the Constitution says that laws can't be made regarding establishments of religion.

So your reasoning can be used to cause Christians to not go to church.

But LAWS should never be able to be placed to cause Christians to not go to church.

Is this restriction a permanent measure, they did this is 1918 as well.. did Christianity die in the USA because of it?
Was the Amendment abolished because of this restriction in 1918

How well are people able to social distance in a mega church?

South Korea had the virus under control until in record time until one person infected went to a mega church and started a successive wave that took another month to bring under control.

So we rather than preventing death and holding all life sacred, as Christians we put people in harms way... you know the world is watching and they see the illogical thinking patterns.

I am also quite sure China is pleased by the result... not a fact but a personal opinion based on China and how it operates.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Is the government restricting Christian church gatherings while allowing other religious gatherings?

Are Christians restricted while Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus & Jews are free to assemble and have services?
If that isn't the case then Christians are not targeted unfairly.

 

[John146]

I have seen pictures of the pandemic of 1918-1919 that showed men wearing masks at sporting events. There may be issues with making meaningful comparisons between our society and theirs, though. Our society is much more mobile.

Additionally, a massive percentage of individuals died during this pandemic.

Still hasn't caught up to the seasonal flu though...

 

[Chester]

I'm not a dispensationalist so I can't answer your question

Neither am I a dispensationalist . . . LOL!

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Neither am I a dispensationalist . . . LOL!

Ah ok.

Generally people who believe in pre-trib rapture are dispensationalist.

The reason is that they believe that the Church is taken out of the world prior to the Tribulation, and it becomes all about Israel then.

There's a lot of variations on what they believe about the Millennium, though. Depends on what generation of dispensationalist teaching folks follow.

Darby
Scofield
Chafer
Ryrie
Progressive Dispensationalism

These seem to be the generations of dispensationalists, with each group having subtle differences.

 

[Grandpa]

Is this restriction a permanent measure, they did this is 1918 as well.. did Christianity die in the USA because of it?
Was the Amendment abolished because of this restriction in 1918

How well are people able to social distance in a mega church?

South Korea had the virus under control until in record time until one person infected went to a mega church and started a successive wave that took another month to bring under control.

So we rather than preventing death and holding all life sacred, as Christians we put people in harms way... you know the world is watching and they see the illogical thinking patterns.

I am also quite sure China is pleased by the result... not a fact but a personal opinion based on China and how it operates.

I wouldn't expect it to be a permanent measure. But who knows.

If it only takes one infected person to start a whole wave of death then this fear driven measure could last as long as the ones driving it want it to last.

We don't prevent death. God prevents death. So, if it looks to the world like we are not preventing death, all it really is is the world not understanding Gods Ways, and us not following or believing the Worlds Way... You know, fear driven fake news that blows things out of proportion making every situation seem WAY worse than it actually is.

 

[EleventhHour]

I wouldn't expect it to be a permanent measure. But who knows.

If it only takes one infected person to start a whole wave of death then this fear driven measure could last as long as the ones driving it want it to last.

We don't prevent death. God prevents death. So, if it looks to the world like we are not preventing death, all it really is is the world not understanding Gods Ways, and us not following or believing the Worlds Way... You know, fear driven fake news that blows things out of proportion making every situation seem WAY worse than it actually is.

We don't prevent death. God prevents death.

I find this a rather odd sentiment.... so why do Christians care about abortion?
Why do we enact laws to prevent death.

Your statement really sounds like a shirking of Christian responsibility along with a dose of fatalism... sorry but it does.
When a virus is travelling around the world, coming from China and I carelessly go and visit people while running a fever relying on God to prevent death is negligence.

People need to take responsibility for their own reactions to the media, the media only has the power of influence that is given to it.

 

[Grandpa]

I find this a rather odd sentiment.... so why do Christians care about abortion?
Why do we enact laws to prevent death.

Your statement really sounds like a shirking of Christian responsibility along with a dose of fatalism... sorry but it does.
When a virus is travelling around the world, coming from China and I carelessly go and visit people while running a fever relying on God to prevent death is negligence.

People need to take responsibility for their own reactions to the media, the media only has the power of influence that is given to it.

Why would you go visit people while running a fever?

We enact laws to prevent murder.

We cannot enact laws to prevent death. God is in control of that. No matter how many laws you want to pass.


The flu has been around for a really long time. This isn't the first year it has been here. The flu kills people every year. But it doesn't kill everyone. Only a very small percentage.

So, for everyone to over-react and treat this like the black plague is baffling to me.

Especially Christians, who are supposed to be in the world but not of the world.


Let's just say that I don't get it. I don't understand the masses. I don't want to be a part of what they do or don't do. And I sincerely wish they would be as un-interested in what I do as I am in what they do.

 

[EleventhHour]

Why would you go visit people while running a fever?

We enact laws to prevent murder.

We cannot enact laws to prevent death. God is in control of that. No matter how many laws you want to pass.


The flu has been around for a really long time. This isn't the first year it has been here. The flu kills people every year. But it doesn't kill everyone. Only a very small percentage.

So, for everyone to over-react and treat this like the black plague is baffling to me.

Especially Christians, who are supposed to be in the world but not of the world.


Let's just say that I don't get it. I don't understand the masses. I don't want to be a part of what they do or don't do. And I sincerely wish they would be as un-interested in what I do as I am in what they do.

Our behavior can indeed cause death...... to remove that causal link is a huge problem.
Well to liken this to a seasonal flu is again media propaganda on the other side.
So we all have the choice to make to be informed about what this is really all about... but that takes time and effort.

 

[Grandpa]

Our behavior can indeed cause death...... to remove that causal link is a huge problem.
Well to liken this to a seasonal flu is again media propaganda on the other side.
So we all have the choice to make to be informed about what this is really all about... but that takes time and effort.

To liken this to a seasonal flu is media propaganda?

Its facts. Just check the facts.

How many people have died every year because of the flu? What percentage of the population was it?

What percentage of people die this year because of covid-19 (the flu)? About the same. One side may try to inflate the numbers to promote whatever they are promoting and vice versa. But really, its about the same.


You don't see that being reported on any major news sources. I wonder why not???

Maybe an apology. Sorry we were wrong with trying to control you through fear... Sorry we suspended the whole Bill of Rights and acted illegally in order to promote our agenda... Sorry that so many of you think that what we report is actual facts and truth...

 

[Moses_Young]

Were other religions allowed to gather but not Christians?

Those other religions are all on the same side. If one is not of Christ, one is of the world.

 

[EleventhHour]

To liken this to a seasonal flu is media propaganda?

Its facts. Just check the facts.

How many people have died every year because of the flu? What percentage of the population was it?

What percentage of people die this year because of covid-19 (the flu)? About the same. One side may try to inflate the numbers to promote whatever they are promoting and vice versa. But really, its about the same.


You don't see that being reported on any major news sources. I wonder why not???

Maybe an apology. Sorry we were wrong with trying to control you through fear... Sorry we suspended the whole Bill of Rights and acted illegally in order to promote our agenda... Sorry that so many of you think that what we report is actual facts and truth...

It is not a seasonal flu... this is a corona virus... it is a zoonotic virus... it proteins and structure are very different than influenza virus.

I am sorry Grandpa I cannot continue this conversation... I cannot swing back and forth between science and politics, they are two separate discussions, if you do not have one right it is impossible to discuss the other.

 

[Moses_Young]

Maybe an apology. Sorry we were wrong with trying to control you through fear... Sorry we suspended the whole Bill of Rights and acted illegally in order to promote our agenda... Sorry that so many of you think that what we report is actual facts and truth...

An apology is not enough, in my view, to enable one's opinion to become valid again, after being wrong about something so critical.

Those who were screeching for more state control due to this disease which has turned out to be less dangerous than flu should not be listened to again. To listen to such people is as dangerous as listening to those conspirators who gave the grossly overinflated modelling for the mortality death statistics in the first place. Those elected representatives who overstepped their jurisdiction with so-called emergency orders should be voted out of office, then put on trial. Freedom is too precious for anything less.

 

[Moses_Young]

It is not a seasonal flu... this is a corona virus... it is a zoonotic virus... it proteins and structure are very different than influenza virus.

I am sorry Grandpa I cannot continue this conversation... I cannot swing back and forth between science and politics, they are two separate discussions, if you do not have one right it is impossible to discuss the other.

Because being wrong is a political issue?

 

[Moses_Young]

LOL! Well, I am an anti-vaxer . . . so if I was President then . . .

But I agree that government should not step in in religious situations, but how far?
For example - what if a parent put his child to working 80 hours a week from age 5 on and never gave them any education - and spanked the children if they rebelled - essentially - slavery - and then gave them insufficient food and water - and
then handcuffed them to their bed at night
- How far till govt. should step in?

Better that one parent does this to their children, than the government does it to everyone's children.

 

[breno785au]

Those other religions are all on the same side. If one is not of Christ, one is of the world.

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[Moses_Young]

That doesn't answer my question.

Other religions don't need to gather together. Or they worship the idols of self at the marketplaces. The government didn't ban marketplaces, but banned churches. The attack therefore is targeted at Christians.

You might more easily understand this. If a government bans circumcision, Jewish groups might (rightly in my view) point out that the government is discriminating against their religion. The government may respond that it banned circumcision for all religious groups, not just Jewish groups. But circumcision is a part of the Jewish religion, not a part of other religions. In the same way, gathering together as the body of Christ is part of the Christian religion, not necessarily part of other religions, such as atheism or mammon. So unless the government bans all congregations equally (i.e. at "essential" workplaces, marketplaces, etc.) it is targeting Christians.