The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

[KJV1611]

What are you talking about now? Israelites are, were and forever more will be God's chosen people period. Those are chosen to believe in Jesus enter into the New Covenant period. Those who are not chosen to believe in Jesus remain in the unconditional covenants period. God will inevitably redeem the remnant of Israel (who survive through the GT) in the millennium period.

And all covenants are fulfilled and all end time prophecy is completed period!!!!!

So simple so easy if and only if you actually understand and believe in the Bible PERIOD!

You still don't get it. God never chose the ethnic Jews. I posted about 20 verses showing the difference between ethnic Jews and spiritual Jews.... ignore them if you want.

 

[Absolutely]

Firstfruits of what?

EXACTLY
For years I would think that exact statement.

Rev 14 is a game changer

It places DECISIVELY the rapture as pretrib.

Thread killer big time.

Rev 14 is like "going nuclear" lol

 

[KJV1611]

That is not twisting Scripture but rightly dividing the Word of Truth. Had you taken the time to properly study Romans 11:26-36, you would have discovered that Paul is speaking about redeemed and restored Israel after the Second Coming of Christ, when He comes as the Deliverer of Jerusalem (Zion).

ROMANS 11: THE FUTURE REDEMPTION OF ISRAEL

1. CHRIST WILL DELIVER ISRAEL AND BRING SALVATION TO THE JEWS
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

You don't believe the bible as written Nehemiah6, you twist it. ALL ISRAEL means ALL ISRAEL. Your twisting those words period. In twisting them, you're missing the entire meaning of the passage.

 

[Absolutely]

What are you talking about now? Israelites are, were and forever more will be God's chosen people period. Those are chosen to believe in Jesus enter into the New Covenant period. Those who are not chosen to believe in Jesus remain in the unconditional covenants period. God will inevitably redeem the remnant of Israel (who survive through the GT) in the millennium period.

And all covenants are fulfilled and all end time prophecy is completed period!!!!!

So simple so easy if and only if you actually understand and believe in the Bible PERIOD!

When you find out what he actually believes you will find it incredible

 

[KJV1611]

EXACTLY
For years I would think that exact statement.

Rev 14 is a game changer

It places DECISIVELY the rapture as pretrib.

Thread killer big time.

Rev 14 is like "going nuclear" lol

Firstfruits means the first gathering of something. What are the 144,000 the firstfruits of?

 

[Absolutely]

You still don't get it. God never chose the ethnic Jews. I posted about 20 verses showing the difference between ethnic Jews and spiritual Jews.... ignore them if you want.

The jews are jews through lineage and covenant.

Jews and gentiles saved are "one new man"
New covenant.
Israel is a harlot.
But redeemed.
Regathered
A remnant regathered.
Read romans

 

[Nehemiah6]

Firstfruits of what?

Firstfruits of the harvest of saved Jews after the Second Coming of Christ.

Following the Second Coming, God will gather all Jews who are scattered around the world and bring them to the land of Israel, where they wil be confronted by their true Messiah and Deliverer -- the Lord Jesus Christ. One-third of the total will repent and believe and be saved, and also experience the New Birth. Then they will be settled in the land of Israel, which will also be redeemed and restored. All twelve tribes will be restored at this time.

EZEKIEL 36: THE SALVATION OF ISRAEL WITH THE NEW BIRTH
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

 

[Absolutely]

Firstfruits means the first gathering of something. What are the 144,000 the firstfruits of?

First fruits precedes main harvest.

They are firstfruit jews
No way around it.
Jews gathered...harvested...during the gt.

It is the POINT of the gt.

Jacob's trouble. Jews dealt with.

They are covenant people
No way around it.
They are family...they are a prodigal

 

[Absolutely]

Absolutely. Pharisees never went away, they're still here today, believing the same lies.

Yep

 

[KJV1611]

The jews are jews through lineage and covenant.

Jews and gentiles saved are "one new man"
New covenant.
Israel is a harlot.
But redeemed.
Regathered
A remnant regathered.
Read romans

If you can't understand that there are two types of Israel, two types of children of Israel and two types of Abraham's seed, then there's no point in discussing this.

 

[KJV1611]

First fruits precedes main harvest.

They are firstfruit jews
No way around it.
Jews gathered...harvested...during the gt.

It is the POINT of the gt.

Jacob's trouble. Jews dealt with.

They are covenant people
No way around it.
They are family...they are a prodigal

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The bible says they were the first Jews redeemed. When were the first Jews redeemed?

 

[Absolutely]

Agreed!!! Again a great post!!

Woah !!!!

You are anti israel??????

May God help you ma'am

 

[Absolutely]

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The bible says they were the first Jews redeemed. When were the first Jews redeemed?

It says right there.

They are in heaven. Placed in heaven in rev 14.
Redeemed from the earth.

 

[Absolutely]

If you can't understand that there are two types of Israel, two types of children of Israel and two types of Abraham's seed, then there's no point in discussing this.

12 tribes.
Jewish via lineage.

First covenant people.
Those that are saved are saved through Jesus just like anyone else.

Yes unless you master Paul's dynamics on the jews in Romans it is tedious discussing your false views of the covenant Jews.

 

[cv5]

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I looked into the written dating of rev many,many years ago.
(About 40 lol)
All I remember about it was cracking a smile when I saw the early dating of preterist was a impossibility.
It is disaster for preterists.

Apostates cling tenaciously to their untruths. This of course because they do not want to walk into the light.

 

[KJV1611]

Firstfruits of the harvest of saved Jews after the Second Coming of Christ.

Following the Second Coming, God will gather all Jews who are scattered around the world and bring them to the land of Israel, where they wil be confronted by their true Messiah and Deliverer -- the Lord Jesus Christ. One-third of the total will repent and believe and be saved, and also experience the New Birth. Then they will be settled in the land of Israel, which will also be redeemed and restored. All twelve tribes will be restored at this time.

EZEKIEL 36: THE SALVATION OF ISRAEL WITH THE NEW BIRTH
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Ezekiel 36 was fulfilled right here.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Even though you know that those verses are talking about the new covenant, I'm sure you don't believe those verses are fulfillment of Ezekiel 36 because those verses talk about a land that you think is that dump in the middle east.

Abraham looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Those verses are about heavenly Jerusalem, not that dump in the middle east.

 

[cv5]

You don't believe the bible as written Nehemiah6, you twist it. ALL ISRAEL means ALL ISRAEL. Your twisting those words period. In twisting them, you're missing the entire meaning of the passage.

As usual you take one term, and then use this as the basis for your bizarre heretical doctrine instead of using the whole counsel of God to rightly divide the truth. My opinion is that your Israel hating has blinded you to the truth, putting you in dire peril of judgment.

 

[KJV1611]

It says right there.

They are in heaven. Placed in heaven in rev 14.
Redeemed from the earth.

The first Jews were redeemed at the exact same time everybody else on the planet were redeemed... at the resurrection of Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

That is totally FALSE. And your idea is refuted in Revelation 7. Furthermore, the land of Israel was never promised to the Church, since the New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the Church.

REDEEMED ISRAEL: A MICROCOSM IN THE 144,000 FROM THE 12 TRIBES
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there weresealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses weresealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin weresealed twelve thousand.

THE CHURCH: FROM ALL NATIONS, KINDREDS, PEOPLE, AND TONGUES
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

This one chapter effectively refutes Replacement Theology. But the entire book of Ezekiel refutes it also. And there are numerous other passages throughout Scripture.

The 144,000 are saved and "added" to the twelve tribes of Israel, which is the Church.

 

[KJV1611]

As usual you take one term, and then use this as the basis for your bizarre heretical doctrine instead of using the whole counsel of God to rightly divide the truth. My opinion is that your Israel hating has blinded you to the truth, putting you in dire peril of judgment.

I happen to know that there are two Israel's in the bible, and both of them, ALL ISRAEL, will be saved just like the verse says. Would you look at that, I didn't twist a thing and now I understand the truth of that verse. God doesn't reveal anything to scripture twisters.

Edit - I forgot to add that your Jew worship has blinded you to the truth, putting you in dire peril of judgment.