The strength of sin is the law

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Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplace; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?
 
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Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplace; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?
Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit and will cease to exist if not grounded in the word from whence it comes. Human misplaced faith is a work of the flesh and grace will reveal its folly and cause it to cease if I understand your question.
 
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Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplace; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?
Pastor Curtis responded and said:

“No sir I do not believe that it will according to Gal 1:6, 5:1-4 and other scriptures. The word “frustrate” means to deny or to set aside. Grace only takes place “through faith”. Grace is God doing something in, for, to or through someone through their faith. Hope this helps.

Praise the Lord!“

I 100% agree with Pastor Curtis.
 
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Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplace; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?
Are we assuming we have a sin nature?
 

Magenta

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Are we assuming we have a sin nature?
Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.
Ecclesiastes 7:20

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Romans 3:23
 
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Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.
Ecclesiastes 7:20

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Romans 3:23
The context of Romans 3:23 is not referring to the believer. But those Jews and Gentiles.
 

Magenta

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The context of Romans 3:23 is not referring to the believer. But those Jews and Gentiles.
Have you not fallen short also?

The universality of the redemption which is in Christ is deduced from the universality of sin.
(A commentator said that ^ ^ )
 

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Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplace; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?
You can have faith that a light switch will turn on a light, or that a chair will hold you up, but these faiths have no power to save a man's soul. Place your faith in the soul cleansing blood of the Lamb.
 
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Have you not fallen short also?

The universality of the redemption which is in Christ is deduced from the universality of sin.
(A commentator said that ^ ^ )
I see the "sin nature" as something that existed before Jesus Christ destroyed it when the spirit of Christ came within the believer. And I do not fall short when I'm walking by the spirit.
 

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Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit and will cease to exist if not grounded in the word from whence it comes. Human misplaced faith is a work of the flesh and grace will reveal its folly and cause it to cease if I understand your question.
No...not exactly.....you’re trying to put FAITH in a box....

Scripture ALSO says....


Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Hebrews 11:1&version=KJV
 

Lafftur

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How do you put faith in a box?
By “limiting” it, putting it in a box, classifying it and saying, “That’s it and nothing more!” - saying faith is only a gift manifested by the Holy Spirit when the scriptures teach more.......STOP PUTTING FAITH IN A BOX!
 
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I see the "sin nature" as something that existed before Jesus Christ destroyed it when the spirit of Christ came within the believer. And I do not fall short when I'm walking by the spirit.
Your Word for Today

“what shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that Grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, who are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Rom. 6:1-2).

Some seventeen times the word “sin” is mentioned in the Sixth Chapter of Romans. Fifteen of those times the original Text, in other words, as it was originally written by the Apostle Paul, contains what is referred to as the “definite article.” That is, in these fifteen times, the Text reads “the sin.” It refers to the sin nature.

Some claim that Believers no longer have a sin nature; however, considering that Paul is writing to Believers here, if that is the case, i.e., if Believers no longer have a sin nature, then the Holy Spirit went to a lot of trouble to explain something that doesn’t exist.

No! Every Believer has a sin nature; however, we are supposed to be dead to the sin nature, even though the sin nature is not dead (Rom. 6:11). In truth, the sin nature is supposed to be dormant in the heart and life of the Believer; at the time of Salvation, the sin nature is, in fact, rendered dormant. But if the Believer does not know how to maintain a victorious life, sin will be the result, which then brings the sin nature to life, and then such a Believer can find the sin nature ruling and reigning in his life, even as it did before he was saved.

That’s why Paul said, “Let not the sin therefore reign (rule) in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lust thereof” (Rom. 6:12). The sin nature will reside in us until the Resurrection, but it’s not supposed to reign. The manner and way that we can have victory over the sin nature, the only way, in fact, and on a perpetual basis, is that the Cross of Christ ever be the Object of our Faith. That being the case, the Holy Spirit, Who Alone can make us what we ought to be, can effectually work within our hearts and lives, bringing about the Fruit of the Spirit, which develops Christlikeness in our life and living (Rom. 8:1-2,11).

That is the way, and the only way, that the sin nature in the heart and life of the Believer can be subdued and remain subdued.

We find here, graphically so, that “sin” is the problem with the Christian. No matter how many claims are made to the contrary, sin is the problem. And there is only one way that victory over sin can be obtained, and that is through Faith in Christ and what Christ has done for us at the Cross.

Man may devise many ways and claim that victory will be the result, but God has only one way, and that is the Way of the Cross!”

—Donnie Swaggart (taken from the “Word for Every Day)”
Donnie Swaggart
 

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In the book of Romans we find it works like this: We cannot make ourselves sanctified through our own efforts, God has to do it for us.

If we want to be forgiven of our sins and sanctified we must give up on our sin and give it to Jesus who wipes us clean. Jesus puts a new spirit in us, we are still sinners but our new spirit takes over and we don't want to sin. If we still prefer to keep sinning, then something has gone wrong and the Lord says "I do not know your".

It would be wonderful if following being made righteous we also would be made incapable of sinning, but we still have a human nature and find it impossible to be perfect. It is our desire that has changed.
 
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Your Word for Today

“what shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that Grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, who are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Rom. 6:1-2).

Some seventeen times the word “sin” is mentioned in the Sixth Chapter of Romans. Fifteen of those times the original Text, in other words, as it was originally written by the Apostle Paul, contains what is referred to as the “definite article.” That is, in these fifteen times, the Text reads “the sin.” It refers to the sin nature.

Some claim that Believers no longer have a sin nature; however, considering that Paul is writing to Believers here, if that is the case, i.e., if Believers no longer have a sin nature, then the Holy Spirit went to a lot of trouble to explain something that doesn’t exist.

No! Every Believer has a sin nature; however, we are supposed to be dead to the sin nature, even though the sin nature is not dead (Rom. 6:11). In truth, the sin nature is supposed to be dormant in the heart and life of the Believer; at the time of Salvation, the sin nature is, in fact, rendered dormant. But if the Believer does not know how to maintain a victorious life, sin will be the result, which then brings the sin nature to life, and then such a Believer can find the sin nature ruling and reigning in his life, even as it did before he was saved.

That’s why Paul said, “Let not the sin therefore reign (rule) in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lust thereof” (Rom. 6:12). The sin nature will reside in us until the Resurrection, but it’s not supposed to reign. The manner and way that we can have victory over the sin nature, the only way, in fact, and on a perpetual basis, is that the Cross of Christ ever be the Object of our Faith. That being the case, the Holy Spirit, Who Alone can make us what we ought to be, can effectually work within our hearts and lives, bringing about the Fruit of the Spirit, which develops Christlikeness in our life and living (Rom. 8:1-2,11).

That is the way, and the only way, that the sin nature in the heart and life of the Believer can be subdued and remain subdued.

We find here, graphically so, that “sin” is the problem with the Christian. No matter how many claims are made to the contrary, sin is the problem. And there is only one way that victory over sin can be obtained, and that is through Faith in Christ and what Christ has done for us at the Cross.

Man may devise many ways and claim that victory will be the result, but God has only one way, and that is the Way of the Cross!”

—Donnie Swaggart (taken from the “Word for Every Day)”
Donnie Swaggart
We do not agree.

Romans 6:2
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
 
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By “limiting” it, putting it in a box, classifying it and saying, “That’s it and nothing more!” - saying faith is only a gift manifested by the Holy Spirit when the scriptures teach more.......STOP PUTTING FAITH IN A BOX!
You lost me. I have no memory of talking about faith.