USS Liberty False Flag

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USS LIBERTY MEMORIAL

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.

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why would Israel attack an American ship?
 
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Well, seeing someone else took the initiative, it was in the midst of the 6 days war whilst the USS Liberty was attacked by accident (after the U.S didn't give its location when Israel asked it too), and 30 sum americans died. Israel apologized and paid reparations, Lyndon B Johnson tried to down play the event by listing casualties at ten because at the time the U.S and USSR were in a standoff and Johnson didn't want the American people to become angry with the accident. Both sides eventually conducted investigations and both sides found Israel's attack as a accident.
 

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why would Israel attack an American ship?
On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.


F.A.Q.



The following are some of the more frequently asked questions about the Israeli attack on USS Liberty, together with answers.


http://www.gtr5.com/faq-home.htm
 
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Your not even generating your own thoughts, you've quoted the same source 3 times, in a way you could say it was the Liberty's fault because it had opened fire on IAF planes and the Israeli torpedo boats when they came to investigate. But I doubt you'll ever change your mind.
 

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Well, seeing someone else took the initiative, it was in the midst of the 6 days war whilst the USS Liberty was attacked by accident (after the U.S didn't give its location when Israel asked it too), and 30 sum americans died. Israel apologized and paid reparations, Lyndon B Johnson tried to down play the event by listing casualties at ten because at the time the U.S and USSR were in a standoff and Johnson didn't want the American people to become angry with the accident. Both sides eventually conducted investigations and both sides found Israel's attack as a accident.
Two aircraft carriers sent to defend the USS liberty were recalled by the White house. Rear Admiral Geis then commanding the carriers and the sixth fleet called Washington personally to confirm the recall order. Secretary of Defense MacNamara then came on the line, and then President Johnson himself told Geis,

"I want that g*d-d*mned ship going to the bottom". “No help, recall the wings.”

Imagine being Admiral Geis, begging the president to allow you to defend an American ship that’s under attack and being told by him that he wants the ship going to the bottom. Despite the fact that the US carriers withdrew their help, a Russian spy ship appeared and witnessed part of the attack. After three hours into the attack, the Israelis withdrew because there were witnesses, allowing the damaged USS Liberty to limp to safety.

Forty years after the attack on the USS Liberty we know exactly what happened. I’ve interviewed former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer, I’ve interview the Admirals that were on the line who heard what president Johnson said. I’ve even talked to the head Jag officer of the Navy who was ordered to falsify the reports and cover-up what had really happened. One of the Israeli pilots has gone public as well saying that three times he refused over his radio to headquarters to attack the ship saying that it was clearly an American ship in international waters and an ally. He was ordered under threat of court marshal to engage the ship

http://everist.org/archives/conspiracy/USS_Liberty/20060808_ERTIwantthatgod-damnedshipgoingtothebottom.htm
 

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Your not even generating your own thoughts, you've quoted the same source 3 times, in a way you could say it was the Liberty's fault because it had opened fire on IAF planes and the Israeli torpedo boats when they came to investigate. But I doubt you'll ever change your mind.
why do you want my thoughts on it?

i can source a thousand documents: declassified american/israeli/russian...
eyewitnesses, what do you need?

oh....maybe you need to believe it was an accident?
 

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Your not even generating your own thoughts, you've quoted the same source 3 times, in a way you could say it was the Liberty's fault because it had opened fire on IAF planes and the Israeli torpedo boats when they came to investigate. But I doubt you'll ever change your mind.

could you please provide the sources for your version so i can look them over?
thanks..that would be helpful.
if what you provide is documented and refutes what i have researched over 10 years, i may change my mind.
 
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I've met the same conclusion with a number of people who will fight to the end no matter how trivial or how long ago the actual event transpired. Israel is Christianity's greatest ally in the middle east in my opinion, and the event that occurred more then thirty years ago doesn't change that.
 

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I've met the same conclusion with a number of people who will fight to the end no matter how trivial or how long ago the actual event transpired. Israel is Christianity's greatest ally in the middle east in my opinion, and the event that occurred more then thirty years ago doesn't change that.
how is israel an ally of christianity?

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who did 9-11?
 
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I'm with you on this, Zone.
 
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If you think that Israel was behind 9-11...
What is the moon made out of cheese too?
 
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Israel may be our "ally" b/c we pretty much are the only thing keeping it from utter destruction by about 10 countries, but it isn't exactly our "friend." They sent a spy into US land and he's actually still in jail here in the US. Now, it is commonplace for neutral countries to send spies into our nation, but countries that are supposedly our "ally" shouldn't be doing so. Canada, UK and Japan don't do so. We share our information with them openly, and yet somehow Israel feels they have the right to do so, and THEN ask for the spy's release?
 
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Everytime there's a new post I think thank God, someone to help me. But NO, I'm the only person who's said that Israel wasn't behind 9-11.
 

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If you think that Israel was behind 9-11...
What is the moon made out of cheese too?
well we certainly shouldn't trust the men that brought us this silly hoax:






who are those men?


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans]Freemasons have always been in the forefront of the scientific community; from the founding of the British Royal Society to today’s NASA programme in the United States. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans]The following is a short and incomplete list 1 of Brethren who have contributed to the exploration of outer space. [/FONT]
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http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/spacemason/


~ the usual suspects:rolleyes:
 

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Israel may be our "ally" b/c we pretty much are the only thing keeping it from utter destruction by about 10 countries, but it isn't exactly our "friend." They sent a spy into US land and he's actually still in jail here in the US. Now, it is commonplace for neutral countries to send spies into our nation, but countries that are supposedly our "ally" shouldn't be doing so. Canada, UK and Japan don't do so. We share our information with them openly, and yet somehow Israel feels they have the right to do so, and THEN ask for the spy's release?
POLLARD? ya...

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28 Tevet, 5768 / January 6, 2008
In the Name of the Lord, Eternal God
To The Honorable Mr. George W. Bush,
President of the United States of America,

Who comes seeking the presence of the Most High God, to Jerusalem, city of God, Divinely chosen site of the Holy Temple, eternal capital of our land, "the joy of the entire earth (Psalms 48:3)," may it be rebuilt and established speedily and in our days, Amen!

Esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1), leader of the west!

Upon your arrival in Jerusalem you have the ability to make a declaration, as did Cyrus, King of Persia - whose memory is honored - who in the year 538 BCE returned the exiled nations to their lands and recognized the full right of the Jewish people to reestablish their Holy Temple, the "house of prayer for all nations" (Isaiah 56:7), and called upon them to return to their land,

And in the manner of Lord James Balfour of England, who in 1917, called upon the Jews to reestablish a national homeland in the Land of Israel.

And thus if you truly desire peace and benevolence, and you would be counted in the company of the truly righteous, we call upon you to declare to all the world:

The Land of Israel was bequeathed to the nation of Israel by the Creator of the world. Neither could I, as a son of my faith, nor the Muslims according to their faith, ever take away even the slightest grain from the Eternal's gift, which He gave to His people Israel, the eternal people. Thus I call upon all the nations to save themselves from certain doom, to return and recognize That this land is the exclusive rightful inheritance of the people of Israel, as is written in the Torah of Israel, which constitutes the very foundation of our faith, as well as that of Islam; and is the basis for the decisions of the community of nations. He who denies this truth endangers all life on earth.

I shall dedicate all my strength and resources towards settling the Jewish people throughout their entire land. I shall greatly encourage and empower the Jews all over the world to rise up to the Land of Israel and to settle it, to establish God's sanctuary in Jerusalem, to distance strangers from it and thus, I believe, I will be making a major contribution towards world peace.

I cannot simultaneously support the establishment of a foreign state for an alien nation in the Land of Israel, and I will not lend my hand to this wrong.

Or - Heaven forbid - you can choose the second option - to willfully aid in the destruction, under the guise of peace!

You certainly know what the God of Israel did to Egypt and Assyria and to all Israel's enemies from time immemorial: Do you imagine that you will be able to save yourself if you have come to implement a plan that intends to steal the land of "the people that survived the sword" (Jeremiah 31:1), and to cut off those who survived the Holocaust, to rob the land that was given to them by the Creator?
All of the peace treaties and initiatives which have been based upon the decisions of the government of Israel, indeed the entire Oslo process, and the 'Disengagement,' and the establishment of a terrorist state within the Land of Israel known as 'Palestine' - regrettably, all of these agreements are the result of a lack of sufficient faith in the Divine promises that the Lord made to the patriarchs of our nation, and all that is written in the Torah of Israel. Understand this well: the nations of the world cannot excuse their actions and their decisions on account of the weakness of Israel and her government. God ordained that the role of the nations of the world is to strengthen the nation of Israel. This will benefit all humanity and bring about world peace, as the prophets have foretold.
Do you imagine you can escape from the struggles in Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon, by offering up sacrifices of the Jews who are slaughtered daily by their enemies who speak of peace but live by the sword?

Upon your arrival in our land we would anticipate that you bring Jonathan Pollard home with you. Bring him home to Israel. He is an emissary of the State of Israel, and he acted on behalf of our people. Authorize his immediate release while you are yet in Jerusalem, before you return to the United States. This will be a positive step that will build confidence.

Remember our forefather Abraham, who pursued the world's four greatest kings in order to redeem his nephew from captivity. We cannot forget the deeds of our patriarchs, whose example guides us through every generation.

We are the loyal representatives of the Jewish people, the New Jewish Congress, and its court of law, the Sanhedrin, as well as the Temple and Temple Mount movements, but we merely reiterate herein what is public knowledge.

No government in Israel and no representative of the Jewish people has the power or right to alter, by even the slightest degree, our covenant with God and the words of our holy Torah, which are everlasting, as expressed by the prophets of Israel and even by the wicked prophet Balaam: "Then he looked on Amalek, and uttered his oracle, saying: 'First among the nations was Amalek, but its end is to perish for ever' (Numbers 24:20). Thus any desire, plan or agreement that challenges the eternal sovereignty and active possession of the nation of Israel over her entire land is utterly worthless, and has no basis in reality.

Therefore it behooves you to declare: "I, George Bush, Commander in Chief of the armies of the United States of America, will instruct all of my troops to protect the Divine rights of the nation of Israel, and remove from her any threat."

Before you is a choice: You can merit to eternal life, or be inscribed for eternal disgrace. Your fate and that of all those with you hangs in the balance of the destiny of our land.

"and you shall choose life!" (Deut. 30:19).

In Sincere Supplication - In the name of the Jewish people
Rabbi A Even Yisrael Steinzaltz
The Sanhedrin
Dr. Gadi Eshel
The New Jewish Congress
Rabbi Chaim Richman
The Holy Temple and Temple Mount Movements

http://www.templeinstitute.org/megillat-bush.htm
 

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Everytime there's a new post I think thank God, someone to help me. But NO, I'm the only person who's said that Israel wasn't behind 9-11.
hi Grey.
well, you are young, and up against a huge propaganda machine, so it's understandable that you believe what you do.

but things are not always what they seem.

i have a question for you:

knowing what you do, as a christian, if you were transported back to 30AD and walked with Jesus as He prepared to build His New Covenant Church (jew and gentile), would you side with the Pharisees just because they said they had Abraham for their father?

of course not. john the baptist warned against it.

Matthew 3:9
And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.



The War on Terror is a Hoax

By Paul Craig Roberts

February 04, 2009 Information Clearinghouse" -- - According to US government propaganda, terrorist cells are spread throughout America, making it necessary for the government to spy on all Americans and violate most other constitutional protections. Among President Bush’s last words as he left office was the warning that America would soon be struck again by Muslim terrorists.

If America were infected with terrorists, we would not need the government to tell us. We would know it from events. As there are no events, the US government substitutes warnings in order to keep alive the fear that causes the public to accept pointless wars, the infringement of civil liberty, national ID cards, and inconveniences and harassments when they fly.

The most obvious indication that there are no terrorist cells is that not a single neocon has been assassinated.

I do not approve of assassinations, and am ashamed of my country’s government for engaging in political assassination. The US and Israel have set a very bad example for al Qaeda to follow.

The US deals with al Qaeda and Taliban by assassinating their leaders, and Israel deals with Hamas by assassinating its leaders. It is reasonable to assume that al Qaeda would deal with the instigators and leaders of America’s wars in the Middle East in the same way.

Today every al Qaeda member is aware of the complicity of neoconservatives in the death and devastation inflicted on Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Gaza. Moreover, neocons are highly visible and are soft targets compared to Hamas and Hezbollah leaders. Neocons have been identified in the media for years, and as everyone knows, multiple listings of their names are available online.

Neocons do not have Secret Service protection. Dreadful to contemplate, but it would be child’s play for al Qaeda to assassinate any and every neocon. Yet, neocons move around freely, a good indication that the US does not have a terrorist problem.

If, as neocons constantly allege, terrorists can smuggle nuclear weapons or dirty bombs into the US with which to wreak havoc upon our cities, terrorists can acquire weapons with which to assassinate any neocon or former government official.

Yet, the neocons, who are the Americans most hated by Muslims, remain unscathed.

The “war on terror” is a hoax that fronts for American control of oil pipelines, the profits of the military-security complex, the assault on civil liberty by fomenters of a police state, and Israel’s territorial expansion.

There were no al Qaeda in Iraq until the Americans brought them there by invading and overthrowing Saddam Hussein, who kept al Qaeda out of Iraq. The Taliban is not a terrorist organization, but a movement attempting to unify Afghanistan under Muslim law. The only Americans threatened by the Taliban are the Americans Bush sent to Afghanistan to kill Taliban and to impose a puppet state on the Afghan people.

Hamas is the democratically elected government of Palestine, or what little remains of Palestine after Israel’s illegal annexations. Hamas is a terrorist organization in the same sense that the Israeli government and the US government are terrorist organizations. In an effort to bring Hamas under Israeli hegemony, Israel employs terror bombing and assassinations against Palestinians. Hamas replies to the Israeli terror with homemade and ineffectual rockets.

Hezbollah represents the Shi’ites of southern Lebanon, another area in the Middle East that Israel seeks for its territorial expansion.

The US brands Hamas and Hezbollah “terrorist organizations” for no other reason than the US is on Israel’s side of the conflict. There is no objective basis for the US Department of State’s “finding” that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. It is merely a propagandistic declaration.

Americans and Israelis do not call their bombings of civilians terror. What Americans and Israelis call terror is the response of oppressed people who are stateless because their countries are ruled by puppets loyal to the oppressors. These people, dispossessed of their own countries, have no State Departments, Defense Departments, seats in the United Nations, or voices in the mainstream media. They can submit to foreign hegemony or resist by the limited means available to them.

The fact that Israel and the United States carry on endless propaganda to prevent this fundamental truth from being realized indicates that it is Israel and the US that are in the wrong and the Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis, and Afghans who are being wronged.

The retired American generals who serve as war propagandists for Fox “News” are forever claiming that Iran arms the Iraqi and Afghan insurgents and Hamas. But where are the arms? To deal with American tanks, insurgents have to construct homemade explosive devices out of artillery shells. After six years of conflict the insurgents still have no weapon against the American helicopter gunships. Contrast this “arming” with the weaponry the US supplied to the Afghans three decades ago when they were fighting to drive out the Soviets.

The films of Israel’s murderous assault on Gaza show large numbers of Gazans fleeing from Israeli bombs or digging out the dead and maimed, and none of these people are armed. A person would think that by now every Palestinian would be armed, every man, woman, and child. Yet, all the films of the Israeli attack show an unarmed population. Hamas has to construct homemade rockets that are little more than a sign of defiance. If Hamas were armed by Iran, Israel’s assault on Gaza would have cost Israel its helicopter gunships, its tanks, and hundreds of lives of its soldiers.

Hamas is a small organization armed with small caliber rifles incapable of penetrating body armor. Hamas is unable to stop small bands of Israeli settlers from descending on West Bank Palestinian villages, driving out the Palestinians, and appropriating their land.

The great mystery is: why after 60 years of oppression are the Palestinians still an unarmed people? Clearly, the Muslim countries are complicit with Israel and the US in keeping the Palestinians unarmed.

The unsupported assertion that Iran supplies sophisticated arms to the Palestinians is like the unsupported assertion that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. These assertions are propagandistic justifications for killing Arab civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure in order to secure US and Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21906.htm
 

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"pay no attention to the man behind the curtain....."
 
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Everytime there's a new post I think thank God, someone to help me. But NO, I'm the only person who's said that Israel wasn't behind 9-11.
why would Israel be behind 9-11?

Ever read a house divided will fall in the Bible?

There are enough people who want to attack and destroy the US that you don't need to make up plots by the allies to do it. the whole conspiracy makes no sense..... Sorry Grey I was ignoring the issue since there is not proof just a lot of conjecture and no one willing to learn and listen anyways.

Behind every murder trial you have to establish motive, what is the MOTIVE?
 
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zone

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why would Israel be behind 9-11?

Ever read a house divided will fall in the Bible?

There are enough people who want to attack and destroy the US that you don't need to make up plots by the allies to do it. the whole conspiracy makes no sense..... Sorry Grey I was ignoring the issue since there is not proof just a lot of conjecture and no one willing to learn and listen anyways.

Behind every murder trial you have to establish motive, what is the MOTIVE?


Who comes seeking the presence of the Most High God, to Jerusalem, city of God, Divinely chosen site of the Holy Temple, eternal capital of our land, "the joy of the entire earth (Psalms 48:3)," may it be rebuilt and established speedily and in our days, Amen!

http://www.templeinstitute.org/megillat-bush.htm






When Rambam specified those particular punishments in the Mishneh Torah, he was referring to the *law of the land* that would be in place under a Torah-based monarchy, as was the monarchy of King David that ruled over a Jewish kingdom in the Land of Israel. In that situation, the law would be that if a Gentile refused to promise that he would not murder, steal, commit incest or adultery, cut meat off from a living mammal and eat the meat before the mammal dies, bribe judges or give false testimony, worship idols, or blaspheme the unique holy Hebrew Name of G-d - with all of those prohibited for Gentiles as capital crimes according to the *law of the land* - then that person would be considered such a threat to the society that the established (Torah-based) *law of the land* would specify that action.

But since many years before the destruction of the Second Holy Temple in 70 C.E., there have been no such Torah-based governments, with the possible exception of the Kazar kingdom in Asia that collapsed in 970 C.E. Therefore, a Gentile's rejection of G-d's Noahide Commandments is between him and G-d, except to the extent that violation of any of those prohibitions is illegal within the law of the land (as we see that there are laws in the U.S. that specify punishment for some of those crimes).

Note that none of these punishments will be an issue in the Messianic Era which will begin very soon, because in that time, all Gentiles will be willing and happy righteous observers of the Noahide Code, since G-d will remove the influence of the Evil Inclination from the world.

In the meantime, in a spirit of good will and sincere concern, we should try to communicate to Gentiles the many "compelling" reasons for why they should accept and observe G-d's Noahide Commandments.

http://www.asknoah.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=543
 
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