A Brief look at "Shavuot/Pentecost" What's it about?

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SHAVUOT/PENTECOST What’s it all about?


This is the time of year when this “Moed” (appointed time) is celebrated. There are three times when all Israelites were commanded to go up to Yerushalayim to celebrate God’s appointed times, Passover, The Feast of Tabernacles, and the Feast of Weeks, known as “Shavuot” or in Greek “Pentecost” which most churches recognize. We all remember the day of “Pentecost” as when the “Ruach HaKodesh” (The Holy Spirit) fell upon all the believers that were gathered in Yerushalayim to celebrate the Feast of Weeks.

Yet the “Feast of Weeks” (Shavuot) had been celebrated yearly for the past thousand years, ever since the day that Fire fell on Mt. Sinai. That was the very first “Shavuot”. When Moshe and the People of Israel received the Torah from God at Sinai in the form of two tablets of stone, but this was just the major points of the Torah, there were to be many more details in the making.

It really goes back to Egypt when the Israelites were still slaves. YHVH made some promises to His people, and we remember those promises in the forms of the 4 cups of wine during Passover.

1. “I am YHVH, I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians
2. “I will deliver you from their bondage
3. “I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.
4. “I will take you for MY PEOPLE and I will be YOUR GOD.

The first three were accomplished in Egypt, then, at Sinai, on the day of Shavuot, the 4th promise was fulfilled. YHVH took the 12 tribes of Israel and united them as a NATION. The Israelites left behind Egypt, yet “Egypt” followed them across the Red Sea, in the form of mind-set and philosophy and in the form of “false gods” This was evident when they made the “golden calf”. It took YHVH one day to take Israel out of Egypt, but it took 40 years to take Egypt out of Israel.

When we read Exodus 19:18,19 we read about the day of “Torah-giving” at Sinai. They received the Torah amidst lightning, thunder, the sound of the Shofar and the voice of God. Yet when YHVH finished the 10th commandment, the people said, “Speak to us yourself Moshe, but don’t let God speak to us or we will die”

We wonder what would have happened if the people had not said that? Perhaps YHVH would have continued speaking out the commandments in front of all the people. But, YHVH called Moshe up to the top of the Mountain and the rest of the Torah was given. 10 commandments were spoken directly to the people by YHVH, and 603 were spoken by God to Moshe, and later, given to the people

In Leviticus, we see the commandment to celebrate Shavuot in chapter 23:15-22. They were to count “7” sabbaths (49 days) and then the next day (day 50) they were to celebrate. This time was harvest time. During the time of Passover, the barley harvest was ready, then 50 days later, the wheat harvest.

Two loaves of wheat bread were to be made and “waved” before YHVH (up towards heaven, down towards the earth, then to the North, South, East, and West) Blessing and thinking Adonai for the blessings from heaven (the rain that falls from Heaven down to the earth) blessing all the lands of the earth, those lands that are in the North, the South, the East, and the West. When it rains, the seeds come up, grow, and mature, then harvested.

On thing to note, God said; “when you enter the land which I am going to give you and reap the harvest…) So, this was not done while the Israelites were in the wilderness, but when they entered Canaan! And settled that land.

The two loaves of bread were to be baked with leaven. We think of leaven as related to sin, but it is also a good thing, leaven is also related to teaching and instruction. Yes, we are all “leavened” with the “sin nature” yet we are also “leavened” by God’s Word, his Torah, which should “grow” inside of us. So just as bread swells up and grows through leaven, so we grow through the “leaven” of God’s Word.

Together with the two loaves, 7 yearling lambs were offered, also a bullock, two rams, and a drink offering were presented as burnt offerings. The lambs symbolize “Yeshua” who is the “lamb of God” the number 7 symbolizes perfection. The bullock symbolizes the “strength” of Adonai, the two rams remind us of the substitute ram which took Isaac’s place on Mt. Moriah. Two rams, perhaps one for the Jews and other for the Gentiles, with the understanding that Yeshua was the substitute and redeemer for both Israel and for the rest of the nations (HaGoyim) The drink offering was wine, which symbolizes the blood of Yeshua.

One can wonder, why 2 loaves? The number 2 in Hebrew can symbolize “union and division”. It takes 2 entities to make a covenant. In our case, Yeshua and us! Through his death, we are “united” in Him when we trust Him as our LORD and Savior, and we are “divided” from the lost world of perdition.

We can look at the number 2 as in the loaves of bread as things that come in pairs; 2 tablets of the commandments, transformation and resurrection, cleansing and purification, death and life illustrated by the believer’s baptism, but it also symbolizes the Jews and Gentiles.

We can also see parallels in Sinai and Yerushalayim; Fire came down on Sinai, it also came down at Jerusalem. The fire at Sinai did not touch the people, the fire during Jerusalem’s Pentecost DID touch each and every believer! At Sinai, the “Ruach Elohim” (Spirit of God) rested on Moshe, at Pentecost, it INDWELLED in every believer. At Sinai, the Torah was written on tables of Stone and read to the people, at Jerusalem, the Torah was written on the tables of the heart of believers. Both events took place on Shavuot, both events were accompanied by languages. At Sinai, in Hebrew, at Jerusalem, in Hebrew PLUS many, many other languages (some believe 70)

At Sinai, there was a mixed-multitude (Israelites, Egyptians, and perhaps Nubians) at Jerusalem, people from all over the then populated world. The Torah is the teaching, the Holy Spirit is the “teacher” Pentecost at Jerusalem also fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy: “For out of Zion shall come forth the Torah and the WORD of Adonai, from Jerusalem” (Isaiah 2:3)

At Sinai, the people were kept away, at Jerusalem, the people were touched by God, the glory of God came to each believer. In Old Testament times, the Spirit of God rested on only certain individuals, such as the Prophets, at Pentecost, it filled ALL BELIEVERS just as today, when a person receives Yeshua as LORD and Savior, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell inside of that person.

Another note; the Hebrew word KOLOT means both “voices” and “thunder”. At Sinai, the people heard “voices” both thunder and the voice of God. At Jerusalem, the people heard the “voices” of those who were gifted with the different languages to preach God’s WORD.

A final note, the first fruits of the harvest can symbolize “Yeshua” and the “harvest” itself, ALL BELIEVERS who are part of it. Today, there is still much “fruit” to harvest, so, we must get busy and teach the word and share the gospel with those who have an ear to hear and a heart to accept the same.


HAG SAMEACH SHAVUOT HAPPY SHAVUOT/PENTECOST (This year, 2020, May 31st)

Rabbi Ben Avraham
 

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Today's churches have changed scripture.

Celebrating Pass over was the last act of Christ before he was crucified and at that time Christ said the Passover meal was his body and his blood.

God was certainly into symbols to illustrate His way, and freeing the slaves from Egyptians was God's way of showing us the spiritual world of freeing us from the bondage of sin and death. The lamb symbolized Christ, and through the blood of the lamb boy babies were freed from death, just as Christ's blood frees us from death.

Christ told us to celebrate Passover in remembrance of Him. Today's church has changed scripture to read to take communion solemnly at church. It is the same but without the idea of feasting and celebrating. The church tells us the new covenant tells us to do this although it does take quite a leap and additions to the word to find this in the new covenant.

The church changed Passover to a celebration based on christianizing a pagan rite, even using pagan god's names to help them name it as Easter. There is usually an Easter Egg Hunt, eggs symbolizing the fertility idea of the pagan rite. God used eating pigs who were designed to eat garbage as a symbol of accepting garbage ideas for the feeding of the mind. God said keep to clean things. Later, God said we won't use them as this symbol any longer, but the church still features ham as a traditional Easter food. Ham instead of lamb.
 

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Magenta: I base my post on scripture, and you are disagreeing with it. I would love to understand what you base your disagreement on.
 
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Today's churches have changed scripture.

Celebrating Pass over was the last act of Christ before he was crucified and at that time Christ said the Passover meal was his body and his blood.

God was certainly into symbols to illustrate His way, and freeing the slaves from Egyptians was God's way of showing us the spiritual world of freeing us from the bondage of sin and death. The lamb symbolized Christ, and through the blood of the lamb boy babies were freed from death, just as Christ's blood frees us from death.

Christ told us to celebrate Passover in remembrance of Him. Today's church has changed scripture to read to take communion solemnly at church. It is the same but without the idea of feasting and celebrating. The church tells us the new covenant tells us to do this although it does take quite a leap and additions to the word to find this in the new covenant.

The church changed Passover to a celebration based on christianizing a pagan rite, even using pagan god's names to help them name it as Easter. There is usually an Easter Egg Hunt, eggs symbolizing the fertility idea of the pagan rite. God used eating pigs who were designed to eat garbage as a symbol of accepting garbage ideas for the feeding of the mind. God said keep to clean things. Later, God said we won't use them as this symbol any longer, but the church still features ham as a traditional Easter food. Ham instead of lamb.
The law could not save. Neither could the blood of bulls and goats.
 
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SHAVUOT/PENTECOST What’s it all about?


This is the time of year when this “Moed” (appointed time) is celebrated. There are three times when all Israelites were commanded to go up to Yerushalayim to celebrate God’s appointed times, Passover, The Feast of Tabernacles, and the Feast of Weeks, known as “Shavuot” or in Greek “Pentecost” which most churches recognize. We all remember the day of “Pentecost” as when the “Ruach HaKodesh” (The Holy Spirit) fell upon all the believers that were gathered in Yerushalayim to celebrate the Feast of Weeks.

Yet the “Feast of Weeks” (Shavuot) had been celebrated yearly for the past thousand years, ever since the day that Fire fell on Mt. Sinai. That was the very first “Shavuot”. When Moshe and the People of Israel received the Torah from God at Sinai in the form of two tablets of stone, but this was just the major points of the Torah, there were to be many more details in the making.

It really goes back to Egypt when the Israelites were still slaves. YHVH made some promises to His people, and we remember those promises in the forms of the 4 cups of wine during Passover.

1. “I am YHVH, I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians
2. “I will deliver you from their bondage
3. “I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.
4. “I will take you for MY PEOPLE and I will be YOUR GOD.

The first three were accomplished in Egypt, then, at Sinai, on the day of Shavuot, the 4th promise was fulfilled. YHVH took the 12 tribes of Israel and united them as a NATION. The Israelites left behind Egypt, yet “Egypt” followed them across the Red Sea, in the form of mind-set and philosophy and in the form of “false gods” This was evident when they made the “golden calf”. It took YHVH one day to take Israel out of Egypt, but it took 40 years to take Egypt out of Israel.

When we read Exodus 19:18,19 we read about the day of “Torah-giving” at Sinai. They received the Torah amidst lightning, thunder, the sound of the Shofar and the voice of God. Yet when YHVH finished the 10th commandment, the people said, “Speak to us yourself Moshe, but don’t let God speak to us or we will die”

We wonder what would have happened if the people had not said that? Perhaps YHVH would have continued speaking out the commandments in front of all the people. But, YHVH called Moshe up to the top of the Mountain and the rest of the Torah was given. 10 commandments were spoken directly to the people by YHVH, and 603 were spoken by God to Moshe, and later, given to the people

In Leviticus, we see the commandment to celebrate Shavuot in chapter 23:15-22. They were to count “7” sabbaths (49 days) and then the next day (day 50) they were to celebrate. This time was harvest time. During the time of Passover, the barley harvest was ready, then 50 days later, the wheat harvest.

Two loaves of wheat bread were to be made and “waved” before YHVH (up towards heaven, down towards the earth, then to the North, South, East, and West) Blessing and thinking Adonai for the blessings from heaven (the rain that falls from Heaven down to the earth) blessing all the lands of the earth, those lands that are in the North, the South, the East, and the West. When it rains, the seeds come up, grow, and mature, then harvested.

On thing to note, God said; “when you enter the land which I am going to give you and reap the harvest…) So, this was not done while the Israelites were in the wilderness, but when they entered Canaan! And settled that land.

The two loaves of bread were to be baked with leaven. We think of leaven as related to sin, but it is also a good thing, leaven is also related to teaching and instruction. Yes, we are all “leavened” with the “sin nature” yet we are also “leavened” by God’s Word, his Torah, which should “grow” inside of us. So just as bread swells up and grows through leaven, so we grow through the “leaven” of God’s Word.

Together with the two loaves, 7 yearling lambs were offered, also a bullock, two rams, and a drink offering were presented as burnt offerings. The lambs symbolize “Yeshua” who is the “lamb of God” the number 7 symbolizes perfection. The bullock symbolizes the “strength” of Adonai, the two rams remind us of the substitute ram which took Isaac’s place on Mt. Moriah. Two rams, perhaps one for the Jews and other for the Gentiles, with the understanding that Yeshua was the substitute and redeemer for both Israel and for the rest of the nations (HaGoyim) The drink offering was wine, which symbolizes the blood of Yeshua.

One can wonder, why 2 loaves? The number 2 in Hebrew can symbolize “union and division”. It takes 2 entities to make a covenant. In our case, Yeshua and us! Through his death, we are “united” in Him when we trust Him as our LORD and Savior, and we are “divided” from the lost world of perdition.

We can look at the number 2 as in the loaves of bread as things that come in pairs; 2 tablets of the commandments, transformation and resurrection, cleansing and purification, death and life illustrated by the believer’s baptism, but it also symbolizes the Jews and Gentiles.

We can also see parallels in Sinai and Yerushalayim; Fire came down on Sinai, it also came down at Jerusalem. The fire at Sinai did not touch the people, the fire during Jerusalem’s Pentecost DID touch each and every believer! At Sinai, the “Ruach Elohim” (Spirit of God) rested on Moshe, at Pentecost, it INDWELLED in every believer. At Sinai, the Torah was written on tables of Stone and read to the people, at Jerusalem, the Torah was written on the tables of the heart of believers. Both events took place on Shavuot, both events were accompanied by languages. At Sinai, in Hebrew, at Jerusalem, in Hebrew PLUS many, many other languages (some believe 70)

At Sinai, there was a mixed-multitude (Israelites, Egyptians, and perhaps Nubians) at Jerusalem, people from all over the then populated world. The Torah is the teaching, the Holy Spirit is the “teacher” Pentecost at Jerusalem also fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy: “For out of Zion shall come forth the Torah and the WORD of Adonai, from Jerusalem” (Isaiah 2:3)

At Sinai, the people were kept away, at Jerusalem, the people were touched by God, the glory of God came to each believer. In Old Testament times, the Spirit of God rested on only certain individuals, such as the Prophets, at Pentecost, it filled ALL BELIEVERS just as today, when a person receives Yeshua as LORD and Savior, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell inside of that person.

Another note; the Hebrew word KOLOT means both “voices” and “thunder”. At Sinai, the people heard “voices” both thunder and the voice of God. At Jerusalem, the people heard the “voices” of those who were gifted with the different languages to preach God’s WORD.

A final note, the first fruits of the harvest can symbolize “Yeshua” and the “harvest” itself, ALL BELIEVERS who are part of it. Today, there is still much “fruit” to harvest, so, we must get busy and teach the word and share the gospel with those who have an ear to hear and a heart to accept the same.


HAG SAMEACH SHAVUOT HAPPY SHAVUOT/PENTECOST (This year, 2020, May 31st)

Rabbi Ben Avraham
Appointed rest. Not appointed time .

Not sure why the translators used a word "week" that was not available when the original was inspired. Not the Greek word for week years later.

“Feast of Weeks” denotes time .

Sabbath meaning rest with no other meaning added. It is a non time sensitive word ."Feast of rest" is the proper.

Changing the meaning making it time sensitive destroys the uses of the word and the ceremonial laws .
 

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The law could not save. Neither could the blood of bulls and goats.
If the law does not save, should we not obey the law? Does God want this for those who accept Christ?

Why does Christ say "if you love me you will obey me"?

When the blood of bulls and goats were used to symbolize Christ that blood did save saints in sleep. If you will read Matthew 27:52-53 it tells us the saints woke from their graves and walked the streets of Jerusalem when Christ died and the curtain in the temple split.
 

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Not sure why the translators used a word "week" that was not available when the original was inspired. Not the Greek word for week years later.
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In Genesis the Lord created the world and explained it to us by the days of the week. The week was designated by numbers except the 7th day that was called Sabbath,

It was later when the occult was practiced that the days were called by the name of false gods.
 
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If the law does not save, should we not obey the law? Does God want this for those who accept Christ?

Why does Christ say "if you love me you will obey me"?

When the blood of bulls and goats were used to symbolize Christ that blood did save saints in sleep. If you will read Matthew 27:52-53 it tells us the saints woke from their graves and walked the streets of Jerusalem when Christ died and the curtain in the temple split.
It doesn't work that was. Most of Israel was wicked beyond belief. God gave them the Law threatening them with death for disobedience and rewarding their greed with physical perks for obedience. But they failed even at this until God removed all the unbelievers when Christ arrived. Believers do not need death threats forcing them to act well. We have a new heart that loves God and hates sin. So wee keep the law without trying.
 

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It doesn't work that was. Most of Israel was wicked beyond belief. God gave them the Law threatening them with death for disobedience and rewarding their greed with physical perks for obedience. But they failed even at this until God removed all the unbelievers when Christ arrived. Believers do not need death threats forcing them to act well. We have a new heart that loves God and hates sin. So wee keep the law without trying.
You have understood scripture in a completely different way than how I have learned of it from studying only scripture.

God created Israel because most people did not recognize Him, and these people were to show God to the world. God gave them special training, but that training was of God principles so we can learn of God a we follow how they were trained. Obedience brings blessings but it is ONLY through the blood of Jesus that gives atonement or forgiveness, it is so from the time Adam brought death to the world.

They were never, ever taught anything against how God created the world to be. They were taught about Christ as much as they could grasp until Christ lived on earth through the sacrificial system. That system was the forgiveness of sin through repentance and the shedding of innocent blood to symbolize Christ. They were taught that obedience brought blessing, never taught it brought life. Grace is a part of God, God in all His manifestations. There was always grace given and always it required the giving of blood.

Obeying the law gave blessings but life required the giving of blood, not law obedience. It is the same for us today. God is eternal, God does not ever change His truths.

Lev. 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.
 
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You have understood scripture in a completely different way than how I have learned of it from studying only scripture.

God created Israel because most people did not recognize Him, and these people were to show God to the world. God gave them special training, but that training was of God principles so we can learn of God a we follow how they were trained. Obedience brings blessings but it is ONLY through the blood of Jesus that gives atonement or forgiveness, it is so from the time Adam brought death to the world.

They were never, ever taught anything against how God created the world to be. They were taught about Christ as much as they could grasp until Christ lived on earth through the sacrificial system. That system was the forgiveness of sin through repentance and the shedding of innocent blood to symbolize Christ. They were taught that obedience brought blessing, never taught it brought life. Grace is a part of God, God in all His manifestations. There was always grace given and always it required the giving of blood.

Obeying the law gave blessings but life required the giving of blood, not law obedience. It is the same for us today. God is eternal, God does not ever change His truths.

Lev. 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.
Paul says;
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” 1 Timothy 1:9–10 (KJV 1900)

So these were saved? Saved people don't need law.
 

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Paul says;
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” 1 Timothy 1:9–10 (KJV 1900)

So these were saved? Saved people don't need law.
When we read the word law in scripture it is usually the best way a language other than Hebrew can translate the Hebrew word Torah. Strong's devotes pages to explaining that word and law is only one aspect of Torah. One source describes it as instructions to teach us the truth about God, and this seems the best way to put all the descriptions I have read. It is God's law as God created our world to be and our word guidance would be an accepted translation.

It is true that following God's guidance in a legalistic way is not actually following the Lord, but being a rebel to the Lord is to ignore all His guidance.

If you are denying that the saints who had physically died were saved but were in hell then you are denying the truth of scripture.
 
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When we read the word law in scripture it is usually the best way a language other than Hebrew can translate the Hebrew word Torah. Strong's devotes pages to explaining that word and law is only one aspect of Torah. One source describes it as instructions to teach us the truth about God, and this seems the best way to put all the descriptions I have read. It is God's law as God created our world to be and our word guidance would be an accepted translation.

It is true that following God's guidance in a legalistic way is not actually following the Lord, but being a rebel to the Lord is to ignore all His guidance.

If you are denying that the saints who had physically died were saved but were in hell then you are denying the truth of scripture.
The born again did not need the law, only the wicked.