The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues
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God does his own interpreting called prophesying. The tongue of God. .(two walking together) . Like Jesus and the father . Or you and the Father.
Not Hey Google! what's me myself and I saying?
Its not Christ in our earthen bodies of death along with those who make senseless noises and fall backward to indicate the the sign of God's judgement against those who have another kind of authority to build another kind of self edifying faith as a wonderment. .
Not Hey Google! what's me myself and I saying?
Its not Christ in our earthen bodies of death along with those who make senseless noises and fall backward to indicate the the sign of God's judgement against those who have another kind of authority to build another kind of self edifying faith as a wonderment. .
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Agree with almost everything you say in your post, but the 'list of nations', as it's called in Acts 9-12 is just that - a list of geographic places. Specifically those of the Diasporan lands. Nowhere in the entire narrative is even one language ever referenced by name, nor is it ever even hinted at that, given there were people gathered there from all over the Diaspora, communication was ever an issue to begin with.
What people need to ask themselves is, if I were a Jew living in one of these places in the 1st century, what would be my native language? Not the language I may speak to people at my job, or in the market place, etc., but the language of "hearth and home".
Agree with almost everything you say in your post, but the 'list of nations', as it's called in Acts 9-12 is just that - a list of geographic places. Specifically those of the Diasporan lands. Nowhere in the entire narrative is even one language ever referenced by name, nor is it ever even hinted at that, given there were people gathered there from all over the Diaspora, communication was ever an issue to begin with.
What people need to ask themselves is, if I were a Jew living in one of these places in the 1st century, what would be my native language? Not the language I may speak to people at my job, or in the market place, etc., but the language of "hearth and home".
That is incorrect. You want the Bible to be a textbook but that's now how it works. Now please note: And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. (Acts 2:5) Every nation has its own language, or at the very least its own dialects,
Those were devout Jews who had come from all over the Roman empire (and even further) for the feast of Pentecost at Jerusalem. Now do a Google search for each of the nations listed and see what languages were spoken in those regions.
Those were devout Jews who had come from all over the Roman empire (and even further) for the feast of Pentecost at Jerusalem. Now do a Google search for each of the nations listed and see what languages were spoken in those regions.
God bringing His tongue "prophecy" to all the nations of the world. Satan fell (Revelation 20) never again deceiving all the nations that God was a God of the Jews as if God was a man.
languages are in respect to nations people . Two or three makes a nation. Two or three make up of sect a family. One of the many families.
Hebrew it would seem it is made up of two nations. Abram's father the Amorites "the boasters" And Abrams Mother a Hittite "the terrorist ".
Israel the born again the ones that can back up the boast bringing terror with a invitation of love.
languages are in respect to nations people . Two or three makes a nation. Two or three make up of sect a family. One of the many families.
Hebrew it would seem it is made up of two nations. Abram's father the Amorites "the boasters" And Abrams Mother a Hittite "the terrorist ".
Israel the born again the ones that can back up the boast bringing terror with a invitation of love.
Likewise thank you for yours, as I believe it to be honest, not argumentative. I will continue to reply openly.
I didn't post that because you hurt my feelings. You had been using a false argument called "Guilt by Association". We cannot redeem ourselves from the errors of strangers, because those errors don't belong to us. That's why it is a false argument. If we are going to suggest guilt and error in a person, let's at least talk about guilt that they actually own, not someone's guilt that may have nothing to do with them.
This part is something I would like to ask you more about (privately, if needed) because some people who receive speaking in tongues only receive a small bit at first and don't know how to do more. Then they feel like what they received wasn't speaking in tongues because they think they made it up with their own mind. I was one of those. Fortunately, someone wise told me to keep using the piece that I had until God gave me more. I did this somewhat fearfully for about 2 months until God gave me fluent tongues one day in my dorm at college.
People who did not have someone there to guide them past that obstacle will often give up (because they tried their best and THINK they failed...but they didn't) and then won't try again. They KNOW they tried honestly and didn't seem to obtain the expected result...and that's NOT how God works... so they conclude that what they were told was false. It is reasonable thinking all except for that one little bit that God DID give them. <-- that is very important to remember
I can't tell by your post whether or not you spoke something out loud or just thought or saw something in your mind. In my case, I could feel it in my throat wanting to be spoken but I didn't know what it was. I've heard of others who actually saw the words and just spoke what they saw. God deals with each person according to their own needs.
I will say that people who have tried to receive "speaking in tongues" and feel like they couldn't or didn't get it are the most difficult arguers against speaking in tongues. "A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle." - Proverbs 18:19 KJV
There are many questions I did not answer in this post like "What makes it hard to receive for some, but easy for others?" "How did God give you more in your college dorm?" "How did you know it was really God and not some other thing that allows you to speak this garble-dee-guk?" "What benefit do you get from speaking "gibberish"?
Those are all reasonable questions. I just need to prepare for work. Feel free to ask any that seem reasonable to you, and I'll answer as I have time.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I didn't post that because you hurt my feelings. You had been using a false argument called "Guilt by Association". We cannot redeem ourselves from the errors of strangers, because those errors don't belong to us. That's why it is a false argument. If we are going to suggest guilt and error in a person, let's at least talk about guilt that they actually own, not someone's guilt that may have nothing to do with them.
This part is something I would like to ask you more about (privately, if needed) because some people who receive speaking in tongues only receive a small bit at first and don't know how to do more. Then they feel like what they received wasn't speaking in tongues because they think they made it up with their own mind. I was one of those. Fortunately, someone wise told me to keep using the piece that I had until God gave me more. I did this somewhat fearfully for about 2 months until God gave me fluent tongues one day in my dorm at college.
People who did not have someone there to guide them past that obstacle will often give up (because they tried their best and THINK they failed...but they didn't) and then won't try again. They KNOW they tried honestly and didn't seem to obtain the expected result...and that's NOT how God works... so they conclude that what they were told was false. It is reasonable thinking all except for that one little bit that God DID give them. <-- that is very important to remember
I can't tell by your post whether or not you spoke something out loud or just thought or saw something in your mind. In my case, I could feel it in my throat wanting to be spoken but I didn't know what it was. I've heard of others who actually saw the words and just spoke what they saw. God deals with each person according to their own needs.
I will say that people who have tried to receive "speaking in tongues" and feel like they couldn't or didn't get it are the most difficult arguers against speaking in tongues. "A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle." - Proverbs 18:19 KJV
There are many questions I did not answer in this post like "What makes it hard to receive for some, but easy for others?" "How did God give you more in your college dorm?" "How did you know it was really God and not some other thing that allows you to speak this garble-dee-guk?" "What benefit do you get from speaking "gibberish"?
Those are all reasonable questions. I just need to prepare for work. Feel free to ask any that seem reasonable to you, and I'll answer as I have time.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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"Every nation under heaven" is an idiomatic expression not meant literally. It's the same in the Babel narrative "the whole world" (what was the 'whole world' to a person living in a small section of what is now the Middle East thousands of years ago). We are told where these people were from in Acts 9-12.
No, every nation does not have its own language. The entire western Diasporan lands had been Hellenized for centuries - Greek had long replaced whatever the original indigenous languages were. You can't confuse the Koine Greek word 'dialektos' with the word it eventually became in modern languages. In short, 'dialektos' simply referred to the language of a particular country/area. For example I might say "I am learning a few languages" (glossa), but "In Helvetia, they speak the Gaulish language" (dialektos). Over time, dialektos came to mean a variation of a particular language(the Quebecoise dialect of French), but that was not its original meaning.
No, every nation does not have its own language. The entire western Diasporan lands had been Hellenized for centuries - Greek had long replaced whatever the original indigenous languages were. You can't confuse the Koine Greek word 'dialektos' with the word it eventually became in modern languages. In short, 'dialektos' simply referred to the language of a particular country/area. For example I might say "I am learning a few languages" (glossa), but "In Helvetia, they speak the Gaulish language" (dialektos). Over time, dialektos came to mean a variation of a particular language(the Quebecoise dialect of French), but that was not its original meaning.
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New International Version
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
English Standard Version
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
King James Bible
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
New American Standard Bible
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
There is no question that Paul was saying that his MIND does not know what he is saying when he prays in tongues. This is the clear meaning in any translation.
He also said he prayed in tongues more than them all but not in church so he must be talking about praying between himself and God.
It is not likely to be a known language on the earth because after 20 years of praying in tongues more than the Corinthians (who apparently did it a lot) his MIND would have had some understanding on at least some words, or if someone who knew the known language had heard him they could have translated (not the same as the spiritual gift of interpretation) and if they translated the known language then Paul would have began to learn that language. But after all these years his mind remained without understanding when he prayed in tongues. This does not prove for sure that Paul was speaking in a tongue not known on earth but it is strong evidence that it was not a known language.
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
English Standard Version
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
King James Bible
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
New American Standard Bible
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
There is no question that Paul was saying that his MIND does not know what he is saying when he prays in tongues. This is the clear meaning in any translation.
He also said he prayed in tongues more than them all but not in church so he must be talking about praying between himself and God.
It is not likely to be a known language on the earth because after 20 years of praying in tongues more than the Corinthians (who apparently did it a lot) his MIND would have had some understanding on at least some words, or if someone who knew the known language had heard him they could have translated (not the same as the spiritual gift of interpretation) and if they translated the known language then Paul would have began to learn that language. But after all these years his mind remained without understanding when he prayed in tongues. This does not prove for sure that Paul was speaking in a tongue not known on earth but it is strong evidence that it was not a known language.
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You are aligning Speaking in Tongues to the words we read in the Bible and that's not what Paul ever said. He did not have the Bible in the first place. May I ask where your Doctrine comes from (Methodist-Baptist-Wesleyan-etc). Honestly, the more I study what you're saying, the more it doesn't make sense.