The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues
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Kelby, this is no answer to my Post, in concern to the gift of speaking in tongues.
That a believer has to receive the Holy Spirit is clear. And also clear is that he gives the Spiritual gifts which we find in 1. C or and Romans.
But the question is, as it is claimed from believers which belong to the pentecostal and carismatic movements , that speaking in tongues is for all and that speaking in tongues is the Sign to be baptised/filled with the Holy Spirit.
That a believer has to receive the Holy Spirit is clear. And also clear is that he gives the Spiritual gifts which we find in 1. C or and Romans.
But the question is, as it is claimed from believers which belong to the pentecostal and carismatic movements , that speaking in tongues is for all and that speaking in tongues is the Sign to be baptised/filled with the Holy Spirit.
The gifts of the Holy Spirit are for all which Paul said in 1cor 12 we should seek them and desire them. Tongues in the book of Acts is the initial evidence one has received the Holy Spirits empowerment. That is it. You are making more than what it is .
You do not understand and it has been said many times gifts of the Holy Spirit which tongues is one of them. Baptism of the Holy Spirit when one has been speaks in tongues or prophesies as we see in Acts . Just because you speak in tongues ones does to mean you have the gift, just like prophesying does make you a prophet.
You do not understand and it has been said many times gifts of the Holy Spirit which tongues is one of them. Baptism of the Holy Spirit when one has been speaks in tongues or prophesies as we see in Acts . Just because you speak in tongues ones does to mean you have the gift, just like prophesying does make you a prophet.
Hello, I know you are a moderator, but your response: "You do not understand and it has been said many times..." sounds a bit hostile and condescending. Do you mean that just because Kelby may believe differently that she is not "understanding" as you would like for her to "understand"? I'm new here, and so far, I'm not wowed at the way conversations are being carried on. If there is to be a true exchange of beliefs, state scripture, teachings, your experiences and confirming Rhema words from God that has produced goodness and love that is uplifting, and not dogma or legalism.
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ACTS 2:39
The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."
THIS IS TO ALL:
Respectfully, we can surmise, discuss, refute, reject or accept...all good for pondering the will of God, but ultimately, it is not left to our decisions or intellect, but to the will of God.
Just for extra information, it is has been speculated that there were actually more than one type of tongues recorded in scripture. The first to appear at Pentecost, to aid the furtherance of the gospel to Jews who spoke different languages, the second to edify the spirit of the Christian, and finally, the third that was for ministry. WHAT?! BUT, BUT, BUT....HOW?! if others cannot understand?! Well, that's another story...Have I seen and experienced it? Yes! Is it real or just gobbly gock? It's real...
Again, we can go round and round about this...and I'm speaking to every post from everyone on this forum...because I've noticed that everyone seems so quick to challenge each other's beliefs, some even seem aggressive and hostile, but they never seem to question or challenge themselves. Hey, I don't mean to step on toes here, but seriously, as a newcomer, and someone who has been a Christian for over 43 years and has heard all of these tiresome arguments, or rather "discussions that claim righteous authority", it is well, quite futile.
You must decide what is most important to you, in your Christian walk, what do you need? What do you need to build yourself up to then put into the building of the kingdom of God and for the furtherance of his word?
The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."
THIS IS TO ALL:
Respectfully, we can surmise, discuss, refute, reject or accept...all good for pondering the will of God, but ultimately, it is not left to our decisions or intellect, but to the will of God.
Just for extra information, it is has been speculated that there were actually more than one type of tongues recorded in scripture. The first to appear at Pentecost, to aid the furtherance of the gospel to Jews who spoke different languages, the second to edify the spirit of the Christian, and finally, the third that was for ministry. WHAT?! BUT, BUT, BUT....HOW?! if others cannot understand?! Well, that's another story...Have I seen and experienced it? Yes! Is it real or just gobbly gock? It's real...
Again, we can go round and round about this...and I'm speaking to every post from everyone on this forum...because I've noticed that everyone seems so quick to challenge each other's beliefs, some even seem aggressive and hostile, but they never seem to question or challenge themselves. Hey, I don't mean to step on toes here, but seriously, as a newcomer, and someone who has been a Christian for over 43 years and has heard all of these tiresome arguments, or rather "discussions that claim righteous authority", it is well, quite futile.
You must decide what is most important to you, in your Christian walk, what do you need? What do you need to build yourself up to then put into the building of the kingdom of God and for the furtherance of his word?
excuse me, but I have had a very good dialog with Kelby. Which I actually complemented KelbyofGod. You are mistaken.
Maybe you should reread what I actually said to this person before you suggest something I did not say or even project. You do not know nor is your Opinion correct of me but I respect it. Maybe as a new person you might want to spend sometime looking more into the thread as you said, " I'm new here" before you try to correct me
. God bless
Not at all, I don't think it is mockery I think you very much respectful, pithy but respectful. I actually like it .
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Rarely in the forums do I see positive comments about much of anything, much less positive PERSONAL comments. And It took me 2-3 readings to even catch the part of your post that was referring to me, personally, rather than just my posting(s).
Pithy: (of language or style) concise and forcefully expressive. <-- I consider that to be one of the highest compliments I've received to date, and it is certainly one of the most appreciated. I strive to be exactly that, and didn't know there was an actual word for it. So I offer a heart-felt "Thank-you".
My general job in the church, and in the world, is to provoke people to believe greater/more than they currently do.<--(that should probably receive some thorough consideration, as it means I often have to cause them to question some of their core beliefs.)
But in order to do that for a learned and/or believing person , the speaker needs to be able to first identify the exact point of error, then express only that point clearly and quickly enough that the person can't be distracted away from it before they see it. They may still decide to reject it, but they won't be able to stand before God and claim they didn't see it. "Concise and forceful expression" is the "clearly and quickly" part of that equation.
I'm telling you that because I see the need to do that with you concerning some of what we've begun to talk about...specifically concerning the value of the word "saved". You can try to resist, but I promise you that God is skillful enough to cut through the "BS" standing in the way.
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." - Hebrews 4:12 KJV
"Quick and powerful, etc" = "Pithy".
I MAY need to start addressing the rest of your post tomorrow, depending on when I start to get tired, but i might get to it yet tonight.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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I want to address this part of your reply first, not because it is most important part, but for personal reasons.
Rarely in the forums do I see positive comments about much of anything, much less positive PERSONAL comments. And It took me 2-3 readings to even catch the part of your post that was referring to me, personally, rather than just my posting(s).
Pithy: (of language or style) concise and forcefully expressive. <-- I consider that to be one of the highest compliments I've received to date, and it is certainly one of the most appreciated. I strive to be exactly that, and didn't know there was an actual word for it. So I offer a heart-felt "Thank-you".
My general job in the church, and in the world, is to provoke people to believe greater/more than they currently do.<--(that should probably receive some thorough consideration, as it means I often have to cause them to question some of their core beliefs.)
But in order to do that for a learned and/or believing person , the speaker needs to be able to first identify the exact point of error, then express only that point clearly and quickly enough that the person can't be distracted away from it before they see it. They may still decide to reject it, but they won't be able to stand before God and claim they didn't see it. "Concise and forceful expression" is the "clearly and quickly" part of that equation.
I'm telling you that because I see the need to do that with you concerning some of what we've begun to talk about...specifically concerning the value of the word "saved". You can try to resist, but I promise you that God is skillful enough to cut through the "BS" standing in the way.
"Quick and powerful, etc" = "Pithy".
I MAY need to start addressing the rest of your post tomorrow, depending on when I start to get tired, but i might get to it yet tonight.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Rarely in the forums do I see positive comments about much of anything, much less positive PERSONAL comments. And It took me 2-3 readings to even catch the part of your post that was referring to me, personally, rather than just my posting(s).
Pithy: (of language or style) concise and forcefully expressive. <-- I consider that to be one of the highest compliments I've received to date, and it is certainly one of the most appreciated. I strive to be exactly that, and didn't know there was an actual word for it. So I offer a heart-felt "Thank-you".
My general job in the church, and in the world, is to provoke people to believe greater/more than they currently do.<--(that should probably receive some thorough consideration, as it means I often have to cause them to question some of their core beliefs.)
But in order to do that for a learned and/or believing person , the speaker needs to be able to first identify the exact point of error, then express only that point clearly and quickly enough that the person can't be distracted away from it before they see it. They may still decide to reject it, but they won't be able to stand before God and claim they didn't see it. "Concise and forceful expression" is the "clearly and quickly" part of that equation.
I'm telling you that because I see the need to do that with you concerning some of what we've begun to talk about...specifically concerning the value of the word "saved". You can try to resist, but I promise you that God is skillful enough to cut through the "BS" standing in the way.
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." - Hebrews 4:12 KJV
"Quick and powerful, etc" = "Pithy".
I MAY need to start addressing the rest of your post tomorrow, depending on when I start to get tired, but i might get to it yet tonight.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
.Um, Roughsoul1991, sorry to contradict, but...yes, sometimes a person who is speaking in tongues aloud will him/her self interpret. Other times it is someone else in the congregation (not necessarily a member, it can be a guest!)
But if no one interprets, it does not necessarily mean that the person speaking in tongues spoke up out of place, sometimes individuals who have the interpretation are so bewildered that they understand something in another language spoken by someone else, that they are quite frankly in awe, and then the pastor moves on with the message of the day... so they miss giving the message to the entire church.
Oh, and by the way, this form of speaking in tongues is not the personal gift that uplifts the Christian, it is actually considered prophetic, because it is directed to the whole church for uplifting. That it is presented in tongues, is just its presentation. WHAT?! Why doesn't God just have the person spit it out in English?
But if no one interprets, it does not necessarily mean that the person speaking in tongues spoke up out of place, sometimes individuals who have the interpretation are so bewildered that they understand something in another language spoken by someone else, that they are quite frankly in awe, and then the pastor moves on with the message of the day... so they miss giving the message to the entire church.
Oh, and by the way, this form of speaking in tongues is not the personal gift that uplifts the Christian, it is actually considered prophetic, because it is directed to the whole church for uplifting. That it is presented in tongues, is just its presentation. WHAT?! Why doesn't God just have the person spit it out in English?
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Um, Roughsoul1991, sorry to contradict, but...yes, sometimes a person who is speaking in tongues aloud will him/her self interpret. Other times it is someone else in the congregation (not necessarily a member, it can be a guest!)
But if no one interprets, it does not necessarily mean that the person speaking in tongues spoke up out of place, sometimes individuals who have the interpretation are so bewildered that they understand something in another language spoken by someone else, that they are quite frankly in awe, and then the pastor moves on with the message of the day... so they miss giving the message to the entire church.
Oh, and by the way, this form of speaking in tongues is not the personal gift that uplifts the Christian, it is actually considered prophetic, because it is directed to the whole church for uplifting. That it is presented in tongues, is just its presentation. WHAT?! Why doesn't God just have the person spit it out in English?
I don't know! I don't know the mind of God nor can I ever accurately predict the movements of the Holy Spirit and the way He chooses to work with people at any given time. I know this bothers people, because they'd like to have God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit all pigeon holed, and predictable, but they're not! And, they don't live by my rules either! But have I seen it? YES, and it definitely produced fruit.
But if no one interprets, it does not necessarily mean that the person speaking in tongues spoke up out of place, sometimes individuals who have the interpretation are so bewildered that they understand something in another language spoken by someone else, that they are quite frankly in awe, and then the pastor moves on with the message of the day... so they miss giving the message to the entire church.
Oh, and by the way, this form of speaking in tongues is not the personal gift that uplifts the Christian, it is actually considered prophetic, because it is directed to the whole church for uplifting. That it is presented in tongues, is just its presentation. WHAT?! Why doesn't God just have the person spit it out in English?
I don't know! I don't know the mind of God nor can I ever accurately predict the movements of the Holy Spirit and the way He chooses to work with people at any given time. I know this bothers people, because they'd like to have God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit all pigeon holed, and predictable, but they're not! And, they don't live by my rules either!
But have I seen it? YES, and it definitely produced fruit.
Okay, so I'm new here, and I've read some of your "strong" posts. I don't want to challenge you. You can definitely believe as you wish, and hang knuckle white tight to those beliefs; however, please ask God himself. As Christians, we hear the voice of our Father, both in Logos and Rhema.
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