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DorothyMae

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eternally-gratefull said:
Do you have faith that the God you claimed to have saved you will continue what he started, that the food you ate will endure to eternal life, that as long as God lives you will live, because he is in you, that it is not your performance which will ultimately decide your eternal fate, but your faith, and that God, who you entrusted your eternity to is faithful? Do you as John said, KNOW that you possess eternal life. And your Abba father is there 24/7 when you need him, and no matter how bad you messed up you are free to go not in fear but with joy and peace and a sound mind. Because you know he loves you with the love only a father has.
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When I read theologies like this, I always feel sorry for those who suffer from the sin of these believer. That no one who is so at peace with their continual sin consider. God considers them though. I think of them too.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
again, the law had a putpose

bringing you to god was the purpose. Not bringing you closer

if you are trying to find obedience in the law and think you are obedient, you have mistranslated the law.

all the law can do is show you how sinful you are and Gods answer and response to that sin. People who look to the law and think they are obedient have not been trained by the law, like the pharisee, they Think they are obedient when they are not.

jesus told us how to be obedient, I was praying so hard you would show what Jesus said, Paul had many instructions also, as did the rest of the NT writers,

I can pray you start listening to them,
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Your teaching is foreign to me...only scripture do I understand...so on that note...I bid you a good day..

By the way I have read all of your posts addressed to me...hence the above post to you.
 
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DorothyMae said:
When I read theologies like this, I always feel sorry for those who suffer from the sin of these believer. That no one who is so at peace with their continual sin consider. God considers them though. I think of them too.
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Amen...I find it quite disturbing..but we aren’t to judge.
 
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EleventhHour said:
You are saved when you accept there is nothing you can do to save yourself and accept the gift of salvation from Jesus.
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Yes I can't save myself, I have to depend on God. Without Him I cannot bear any fruits(John 15).

Matthew 7:15-16"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves,by their fruits you will recognize them"...

Matthew 7:21"Not everyone who calls me,Lord,Lord, will enter the Kingdom heaven, but only he who does the will of my father who is in heaven".
Matthew 7:23" Then I will tell them plainly, I never "Knew" you. Away from me, you evil doers".

Why were they rejected on the basis of their fruits?
Why is producing fruit so important?
 
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DorothyMae

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eternally-gratefull said:
all I hear is how you think obedience comes from the law. And how good you think you are
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But she’s not saying that at all.
yes, the spirit testifies, but I know many people who say this who have no fruit, and I do not see anything which woud she me they are a christian, all they do is tell everyone how obedient they are and how we all need to be like them. And judging those who are not,, just like the pharisees did
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Who does this? Who here said they were obedient and what did they do? Usually steps if obedience have very interesting ends.
 
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jackrosie said:
Your teaching is foreign to me...only scripture do I understand...so on that note...I bid you a good day..

By the way I have read all of your posts addressed to me...hence the above post to you.
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Also in one of your posts you actually told me how I should be saved..that is when I switched off....you have no idea how God saves a person.
 
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Pulie said:
Yes I can't save myself, I have to depend on God. Without Him I cannot bear any fruits(John 15).

Matthew 7:15-16"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves,by their fruits you will recognize them"...

Matthew 7:21"Not everyone who calls me,Lord,Lord, will enter the Kingdom heaven, but only he who does the will of my father who is in heaven".
Matthew 7:23" Then I will tell them plainly, I never "Knew" you. Away from me, you evil doers".

Why were they rejected on the basis of their fruits?
Why is producing fruit so important?
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They didn’t have relationship with Him. Works or even fruit won’t save one.
 
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Pulie

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eternally-gratefull said:
Do you have faith that the God you claimed to have saved you will continue what he started, that the food you ate will endure to eternal life, that as long as God lives you will live, because he is in you, that it is not your performance which will ultimately decide your eternal fate, but your faith, and that God, who you entrusted your eternity to is faithful? Do you as John said, KNOW that you possess eternal life. And your Abba father is there 24/7 when you need him, and no matter how bad you messed up you are free to go not in fear but with joy and peace and a sound mind. Because you know he loves you with the love only a father has.
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How much faith should I have so that you don't question it?, Should it be as small as a mustard seed or as big as the mountain?.

I want to have the type of faith that is unquestionable, probably like yours.
 
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DorothyMae said:
Would you feel sorry or just change your mind?
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Why is this funny? She said repentance is merely changing your mind. Feeling sorry or anything at all is not supposed to be a part of repentance. I wondered how she lives out this theology.
 
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DorothyMae said:
They didn’t have relationship with Him. Works or even fruit won’t save one.
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😂😂😂your so funny.
John15:4"Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself. It must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me".
I have been talking a lot and not quoting scripture. May the above scripture speak for itself.
 
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Pulie said:
😂😂😂your so funny.
John15:4"Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself. It must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me".
I have been talking a lot and not quoting scripture. May the above scripture speak for itself.
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How is she being funny?..she typed works or even fruit won’t “save one”. which is correct....so what’s so funny ?
 
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DorothyMae said:
Forgive those who attack and falsely accuse you.
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back again. You have yet to answer me...will you please answer me? Am I tight or wromg?
DorothyMae said:
Makes me laugh. I don’t but you got some reason you cannot admit that you don’t know what I believe.
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eternally-gratefull said:
Let’s see you believe you can lone salvation correct?
You believe you must do works or salvation will be lost correct?

Go ahead and show where I got it wrong
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Then you must be quite satisfied having assurance of your deepest desire. I am not in the least being sarcastic. I really mean it. You are likely quite satisfied.
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My assurance is in christ

his desire is my concern,
 
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:) this is where the translations are not guiding us correctly.


Every time God repented the word nacham is being used meaning God was sorry, have pity or compassion on us.

There is another word for repent and it is shuv (Eze 18:30), when we repent we should shuv which literally means to turn back, to return or go back. The Hebrew picture is to go in one direction and do a 180 degree turn moving into another direction. So we have to turn around and move back to the will of God.
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Is it that,

or is it that we were in the world, we were our own God, we lived out life to please self, and everything God said about us as rebellious enemies of god

and we turn 180 and repent of our rebellion, and our lost state, become bankrupt and call out to God to have mercy on us? and as Jesus said, we then go home justified, and God himself starts a lifelong process of changing us?
 
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DorothyMae said:
When I read theologies like this, I always feel sorry for those who suffer from the sin of these believer. That no one who is so at peace with their continual sin consider. God considers them though. I think of them too.
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What does this have to do with what I said? I paraphrased gods promise on how we are given eternal life and what it is,

who is at peace with sin?

if your at peace with your sin, then I believe as John, you have never met God personally. You need to be born again
 
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jackrosie said:
Your teaching is foreign to me...only scripture do I understand...so on that note...I bid you a good day..

By the way I have read all of your posts addressed to me...hence the above post to you.
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I believe it is foreign to you, and that’s what worries me

i pray you turn to what really can sanctify you, and stop trying to relate to God in a dead law which has no power to change you
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
What does this have to do with what I said? I paraphrased gods promise on how we are given eternal life and what it is,

who is at peace with sin?

if your at peace with your sin, then I believe as John, you have never met God personally. You need to be born again
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You have never met God “personally”....scripture please?
You receive the Holy Spirit as your saviour when you are born again.....you do not meet him personally.
 
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jackrosie said:
Amen...I find it quite disturbing..but we aren’t to judge.
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You find the word of god disturbing?

john 3:16. Being born again by faith in the son of God who was sent to give us eternal life
john 4, seeking the water which flowers,to everlasting life, which Jesus said he will give us
john 6 seeking the food that one can eat and not die, that whoever partakes of the bread of heaven will never hunger or thirst, will live forever, never die has eternal life and will be risen on the last day, through the spirit who gives life


that is disturbing?

well thanks, you answered my question, and showed what I thought all along was true
 
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