Attacks on the Rapture: a popular pastime among some Christians

[Scribe]

Let us clarify that the word rapture is most definitely in the scriptures. The English word is the correct translation of the greek word harpazo.

The Greek word from the which the term “rapture” is derived, appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea (Acts 8:39) and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.

So now we all understand that the word rapture (English translation of Latin rapturo in the Latin bible, which came from the Greek word harpazo is not about the resurrection but that event when living Christians are changed and made glorified without seeing death, versus the resurrection of the dead in Christ who come out of their graves (resurrection) first before the living saints are changed and caught up (raptured)

This event (we can call it harpazo if you want so that no man can say that it is not in the bible) is going to happen and it is to be expected. It was to be expected by every living saint since the time it was taught in the bible. There is no way to know who will be living when the event occurs. We are to be ready and live in holiness and faith waiting for this event the harpazo. The timing surrounding the tribulation may be debated, the event itself is not up for debate.

I think I might start calling it the harpazo of the saints just to deny the gainsayers their joy of saying the word harpazo is not in the bible.

So do you believe in the HARPAZO of the saints?

 

[acts5_29]

Even full preterists believe in the rapture/harpazo/parousia. They just believe it happened in the 1st century AD.

 

[biker]

I think everyone believes in the "Rapture." But Biblically, that event is inline with the Resurrection/Second Coming of Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

Let us clarify that the word rapture is most definitely in the scriptures. The English word is the correct translation of the greek word harpazo.

The Greek word from the which the term “rapture” is derived, appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea (Acts 8:39) and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.

So now we all understand that the word rapture (English translation of Latin rapturo in the Latin bible, which came from the Greek word harpazo is not about the resurrection but that event when living Christians are changed and made glorified without seeing death, versus the resurrection of the dead in Christ who come out of their graves (resurrection) first before the living saints are changed and caught up (raptured)

This event (we can call it harpazo if you want so that no man can say that it is not in the bible) is going to happen and it is to be expected. It was to be expected by every living saint since the time it was taught in the bible. There is no way to know who will be living when the event occurs. We are to be ready and live in holiness and faith waiting for this event the harpazo. The timing surrounding the tribulation may be debated, the event itself is not up for debate.

I think I might start calling it the harpazo of the saints just to deny the gainsayers their joy of saying the word harpazo is not in the bible.

So do you believe in the HARPAZO of the saints?

I read and speak "English" the KJV translators used the words "Caught Up", feel free to use Latin I'll stick with English.

 

[Truth7t7]

I think everyone believes in the "Rapture." But Biblically, that event is inline with the Resurrection/Second Coming of Christ.

I agree 100%, the correct "English" words used to explain this event "Caught Up" as seen below.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

I have read the Word in Hebrew, and I know there are dozens of names and words which are not completely translated, however the children understand in their own language(sS). I love to share some of the name translations from the Hebrew, but I do not expect children to read in other langues.
I do not see the word, rapture, in English translations. I do not read Greek, and if the word gor gathered is rapt in your translation, fine, but no matter how it is sliced, there is no "The Rapture" doctrine taught in English...

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

You left our a key phrase -- "...for the Marriage of the Lamb". All the saints must be glorified before the Marriage of the Lamb, since they will accompany Christ when He comes with His saints and angels, and they will all be glorious.

"In a moment in the twinkling of an eye". There you go. No time required. No problem for a mid/post trib ressurection day.

May I ask WHEN you are placing the marriage supper?
Some say 7 years before, some say 3.5 years before the return of Jesus.

 

[Absolutely]

According to scripture the dead in Christ are raised first, then those that are alive come after. This happens when the second coming of Christ occurs (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

Jesus declared the rapture is pretrib.

So the second coming at the end of the gt is NOT the rapture.

 

[Absolutely]

"In a moment in the twinkling of an eye". There you go. No time required. No problem for a mid/post trib ressurection day.

May I ask WHEN you are placing the marriage supper?
Some say 7 years before, some say 3.5 years before the return of Jesus.

Jesus first miracle was at a wedding supper.
It was said "you saved the best wine for last"

The Jewish harvest in rev 14 is to heaven and the last group to the wedding supper in heaven,during the gt.

 

[Absolutely]

I have read the Word in Hebrew, and I know there are dozens of names and words which are not completely translated, however the children understand in their own language(sS). I love to share some of the name translations from the Hebrew, but I do not expect children to read in other langues.
I do not see the word, rapture, in English translations. I do not read Greek, and if the word gor gathered is rapt in your translation, fine, but no matter how it is sliced, there is no "The Rapture" doctrine taught in English...

Brevity.
When you see "rapture" just imagine Elijah, Jesus,the 2 witnesses,the 5 wise vigins,the church,the jews in rev 14, etc.....

Theses are all caught up (raptured) to heaven.
Too tedious to keep explaining it.

 

[Absolutely]

I also am willing to be absent from this body and to be present with the Lord too!

But this is not doctrine my friend. It’s wishful thinking.

Paul stated plainly that many are asleep with Christ and that we are to comfort one another with those words, not with the words of wishful thinking.

A case can be made for soul sleep.

The rich man and Lazarus as well as your reference of Paul put soul sleep to rest.
No pun intended

 

[Absolutely]

This is a special case. Most will not see a vision of Jesus before dying and will remain asleep until the resurrection.

Definately not

 

[Absolutely]

The attack is on the (Pre-Trib rapture/catching up) a (False) teaching.

The complete event of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25:1-13 surround the "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ.

What is the day and hour no man knows , the "Second Coming"

Matthew 25:13KJV
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Yes
The rapture of the church is not for all believers.
And is without a doubt pretrib

 

[Absolutely]

According to scripture the dead in Christ are raised first, then those that are alive come after. This happens when the second coming of Christ occurs (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

Amen
You stated perfectly the pretrib rapture.
Thank you

 

[JaumeJ]

Raptured or rapt is also synonomous with kidnapping or sequester, but the children are not looking for mor florid or intellectual synonyms. They read gathered to Him usually, and that pretty much is understood by them.

 

[Absolutely]

Why do so many find the need to replace the word resurrection , with the word, rapture_ All this does is create a dogma as given by men. I am satisfied with our Savior being the Firstborn and we being after Him who believe.

Amen
I also believe the rapture is pretrib and the dead in Christ are raised pretrib.

We agree

 

[Absolutely]

Raptured or rapt is also synonomous with kidnapping or sequester, but the children are not looking for mor florid or intellectual synonyms. They read gathered to Him usually, and that pretty much is understood by them.

Amen
Like paul was taken or raptured into heaven

He does look kinda kidnapped as you put it.
Thanks!

 

[Absolutely]

When Jesus-Yeshua sends His angels to collect and transport the dead in Yeshua first and immediately those yet alive, all who are in Him in faith will be with Him.....for me this is what the doctrine of men called the rapture amounts to; it is not a complicated nor contentious event.

Amen
Again pretrib rapture confirmation

 

[Absolutely]

As for the rapture I believe it is happening right now. We are being gathered together to Jesus Christ and people are being raptured in their own timing. It is commonly believed that when it says we will be caught up to meet our loved ones in the air that it means only our spirits are caught up but nowhere does it say that only our spirits are caught up to meet in the clouds. Therefore, it is an interpretation that only our spirits are caught up in the air. Since there is not much difference between the physical and spiritual there is absolutely nothing to prevent houses, churches, communities, buildings, roads, land, states and countries, etc from being caught up as well.

When we are "changed" as scripture says we will be in the twinkling of the eye it separates our fleshly bodies from our spiritual bodies into two beings. If we are a believer then when we are raptured, we leave our fleshly bodies behind and go with our spiritual bodies. if we are an unbeliever then we leave our spiritual body behind and we go with the fleshly body. There will be two in the field one is taken and the other left just as scripture records. So most people will not readily notice when we are raptured because they still see the fleshly body but our spirit has been raptured. Therefore, as we go up higher and higher and as people "change" and are raptured we as believers will see a change in homes, churches, communities, states, countries, etc. If you think in terms of one you cannot understand how this works. You must begin to think in multidimensions and in terms of two.

These videos give an illustration of what we can expect. It includes the rapture and how we become two when we are changed.

http://mobilelaz.com/judgementday/thedayofthelord.mp4

http://mobilelaz.com/judgementday/fleshspirit.mp4

The Holy Spirit shows us the way.
We are illuminated by Him and doctrine is CONFIRMED by Him.
You are listening to mental blind men.
No Spirit.
No illumination.

 

[cv5]

Isa 26

26:19: Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

26:20: Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

26:21: For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.