Hebrews 10:26.. what is it really saying?

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wattie

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So this verse gets used alot to say that willful sin after salvation can lead to Jesus' sacrifice no longer being effectual. Effectively saying the salvation is undone for the individual.

But what is the Hebrews 10 context?

I know a lot of Hebrews has sacrifice related to animal sacrifice .

I know the Hebrews, if they had sinned would have offered up an animal sacrifice to symbolize the forgiveness of sin.

So what is really going on with this verse?
 
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So what is really going on with this verse?
It is not a matter of what is really going on with the verse (it's plain and unambiguous).

The matter is about carnal people being naturally opposed to any teaching that discourages indulging the flesh through sin.
 
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So this verse gets used alot to say that willful sin after salvation can lead to Jesus' sacrifice no longer being effectual. Effectively saying the salvation is undone for the individual.

But what is the Hebrews 10 context?

I know a lot of Hebrews has sacrifice related to animal sacrifice .

I know the Hebrews, if they had sinned would have offered up an animal sacrifice to symbolize the forgiveness of sin.

So what is really going on with this verse?
During the 7 year tribulation, if you believe in Jesus at the beginning but did not endure to the end, taking the mark of the beast, you will be forever lost.
 

mailmandan

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In Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action that is a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a ditch called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful habitual, continuous action.

Such a person has renounced the one and only sacrifice for sin that removes sin. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)

Hebrews 10:26 (AMPC) For if we go on deliberately and willingly sinning after once acquiring the knowledge of the Truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left to atone for [our] sins [no further offering to which to look forward].
 
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Reformyourself

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For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins
Chrysostom commentary. when Christ has planted us, and we have enjoyed the watering of the Spirit, and then show no fruit; fire, even that of Hell, awaits us, and flame unquenchable. 😱
 
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For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins
Chrysostom commentary. when Christ has planted us, and we have enjoyed the watering of the Spirit, and then show no fruit; fire, even that of Hell, awaits us, and flame unquenchable. 😱
Apostasy in Christianity is the rejection of Christianity by someone who formerly was a Christian. The term apostasy comes from the Greek word apostasia ("ἀποστασία") meaning defection, departure, revolt or rebellion. It has been described as "a willful falling away from, or rebellion against, Christianity.
 
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In Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action that is a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a ditch called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful habitual, continuous action.

Such a person has renounced the one and only sacrifice for sin that removes sin. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)

Hebrews 10:26 (AMPC) For if we go on deliberately and willingly sinning after once acquiring the knowledge of the Truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left to atone for [our] sins [no further offering to which to look forward].
Habitual sin? The verse says ‘if we wilfully sin’ doesn’t that mean any sin?
And what is un-willful sin?
 
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EleventhHour

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So this verse gets used alot to say that willful sin after salvation can lead to Jesus' sacrifice no longer being effectual. Effectively saying the salvation is undone for the individual.

But what is the Hebrews 10 context?

I know a lot of Hebrews has sacrifice related to animal sacrifice .

I know the Hebrews, if they had sinned would have offered up an animal sacrifice to symbolize the forgiveness of sin.

So what is really going on with this verse?
Many sins are willful.

When the writer of Hebrews is referencing "wilfull sin" it is those sins that were committed while under the Levitical Law, there was no
sacrifices for willful sin, only for sins that broke the law.

God never provided a sacrifice for "willful sin"

This is in contrast to the New Covenant where all sin has a sacrifice >>>> Jesus.
 

cv5

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"So the sin referenced here refers to Knowing Jesus and the willful part has to do with denying that Jesus is the way to Salvation."

The preamble indicates a necessity of departure from their Levitical sacrifices. So the best guess is that this sin noted here has to do with depending upon the animal sacrifices for the propitiation of sin to degree or another. In other words, there needs to be a clean and total departure from the law of Moses.
 

mailmandan

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Habitual sin? The verse says ‘if we wilfully sin’ doesn’t that mean any sin?
And what is un-willful sin?
The willful sin here is rejecting Christ deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth. If it meant any sin, then we would have to live a sinless, perfect life 100% of the time or else be found guilty. Do you believe that you live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life (exactly as Christ did ) 100% of the time?
 
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The willful sin here is rejecting Christ deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth. If it meant any sin, then we would have to live a sinless, perfect life 100% of the time or else be found guilty. Do you believe that you live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life (exactly as Christ did ) 100% of the time?
Have already answered that Matt. 5:48
 
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It is not a matter of what is really going on with the verse (it's plain and unambiguous).

The matter is about carnal people being naturally opposed to any teaching that discourages indulging the flesh through sin.
A warning for Christians to repent. They could be taken home early.
 

mailmandan

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Have already answered that Matt. 5:48
Feel free to answer again here or post the link to your post in Matt. 5:48. I don't recall off hand what you said. Refresh my memory.
 
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The willful sin here is rejecting Christ deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth. If it meant any sin, then we would have to live a sinless, perfect life 100% of the time or else be found guilty. Do you believe that you live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life (exactly as Christ did ) 100% of the time?
Yes. There were Jewish converts who wanted to go back to their old practices and beliefs. Back to waiting for the savior. They are told that the sacrifice for sin isn't happening again.
 
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"So the sin referenced here refers to Knowing Jesus and the willful part has to do with denying that Jesus is the way to Salvation."

The preamble indicates a necessity of departure from their Levitical sacrifices. So the best guess is that this sin noted here has to do with depending upon the animal sacrifices for the propitiation of sin to degree or another. In other words, there needs to be a clean and total departure from the law of Moses.
Study the Levitcal Law and you will see NO Sacrifices for willful sin... the writer of Hebrews is speaking from that perspective... we overlay a modern day perspective that does not fit.

Willful sin is not a reference to rejecting Christ as Saviour ... that does not fit the context.
 
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Feel free to answer again here or post the link to your post in Matt. 5:48. I don't recall off hand what you said. Refresh my memory.
I believe Jesus can enable us to walk a sinless life-100%
 

cv5

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Study the Levitcal Law and you will see NO Sacrifices for willful sin... the writer of Hebrews is speaking from that perspective... we overlay a modern day perspective that does not fit.

Willful sin is not a reference to rejecting Christ as Saviour ... that does not fit the context.
That's not what I said. What I meant to say is that there was a problem with these Hebrews continuing to trusting the Levitical sacrifices as propitiation rather than the once and for all propitiation that comes only from the sacrifice of Christ. The scope of the letter makes this pretty clear. By the way there is a good case to be made that Hebrews was indeed written by Paul, but not signed.
 
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Paul admitted his failure in this regard and in no uncertain terms.
Paul explained in detail what the result of walking in the flesh was while attempting to do good (Romans 7).

Nothing more.

Stop perverting scripture.
 
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That's not what I said. What I meant to say is that there was a problem with these Hebrews continuing to trusting the Levitical sacrifices as propitiation rather than the once and for all propitiation that comes only from the sacrifice of Christ. The scope of the letter makes this pretty clear. By the way there is a good case to be made that Hebrews was indeed written by Paul, but not signed.
Exactly!!

With regards to the author the style of written expression is far different than Paul, but that is a different topic.