The Second Coming of Christ is for JUDGMENT

[TheDivineWatermark]

@Truth7t7 ,

Are you even reading posts in this thread?

I addressed this passage long ago... see again:

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 [re: resurrection] But every man in his own order [/SEQUENCE]:
[1] Christ the firstfruits;
[2] afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 [3] Then [eita] cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Notice the LISTING:

[1] "firstfruit Christ"

[2] "afterward [/then - epeita] they that are Christ's..." (do you agree this is a LENGTHY TIME PERIOD AWAY from when [1] occurred, or no??)

[3] "Then [eita] the end" (<--THIS "then [eita]" word is a SEQUENCE WORD ONLY [unlike the Greek word for "then [tote]"], so it has NO TIME ELEMENT attached--thus this is NOT saying "THEN [IMMEDIATELY] the end" but is saying "THEN [SEQUENTIALLY] the end" like a LENGTHY TIME PERIOD from #2, see, JUST LIKE items 1 and 2 were SEQUENTIALLY "far apart" by some 2000 yrs, do you agree, or no?)

 

[RevelationMan]

Yes there are TWO gatherings, but not in the way you have concluded.

THE GATHERING UP OF THE CHURCH
The gathering up of the Church takes place BEFORE the Tribulation/Great Tribulation since the Tribulation corresponds to the reign of the Antichrist (first 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week). See Rev 13. The Holy Spirit and the Church must be "taken out of the way" (restraint on Satan removed) for Revelation 13 to be fulfilled.

THE GATHERING UP OF THE BELIEVING JEWISH REMNANT
This takes place AFTER the Tribulation/Great Tribulation and AFTER the Second Coming of Christ as noted below. They are called "His elect" because they are believing Jews who will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. [Note: All Jews will be gathered to Israel, but only one third of them will be saved (Zech 13)

Matthew 24:29-31KJV: SEQUENCE OF EVENTS EXCLUDING THE RAPTURE

THE SHAKING OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

THE LITERAL VISIBLE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

THE SUPERNATURAL GATHERING OF THE JEWS TO ISRAEL
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

THE FULFILLMENT OF EZEKIEL'S PROPHECY (EZEK 36:24-28)
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. [Note: this is the New Birth under the New Covenant]
27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Even though the believing remnant is only 1/3rd of all Jews. "ALL ISRAEL" is represented within that remnant, since all twelve tribes will be settled in Greater Israel at that time (Ezekiel 48)

how can you be so sure that the elect are referring to the Jews and not to the ones whose names are written in the Lambs book of life?

 

[RevelationMan]

Yes there are TWO gatherings, but not in the way you have concluded.

THE LITERAL VISIBLE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

THE SUPERNATURAL GATHERING OF THE JEWS TO ISRAEL
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

how can you be so sure that the elect are referring to the Jews and not to the ones whose names are written in the Lambs book of life?

 

[Truth7t7]

Paul says at the last trump but they say last does not mean last.

We know well "Last Means Last" Trump or Day.

Yes the 7th angel's voice is the last Trump, Yes the 7th Trump is the Last Trump and The "Last Day"!

I believe many know of their error, but they follow the crowd feeling comfortable, in the many churches that promote the "False Teachings"

 

[Truth7t7]

how can you be so sure that the elect are referring to the Jews and not to the ones whose names are written in the Lambs book of life?

Of course the "Church" is the "Elect" of God

Of course those that teach another gospel, twist and bend God's truth, to suit the means of their own "Deception"

1 Thessalonians 1:4KJV
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

2 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

2 Peter 1:10KJV
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7 ,

Are you even reading posts in this thread?

I addressed this passage long ago... see again:




Notice the LISTING:

[1] "firstfruit Christ"

[2] "afterward [/then - epeita] they that are Christ's..." (do you agree this is a LENGTHY TIME PERIOD AWAY from when [1] occurred, or no??)

[3] "Then [eita] the end" (<--THIS "then [eita]" word is a SEQUENCE WORD ONLY [unlike the Greek word for "then [tote]"], so it has NO TIME ELEMENT attached--thus this is NOT saying "THEN [IMMEDIATELY] the end" but is saying "THEN [SEQUENTIALLY] the end" like a LENGTHY TIME PERIOD from #2, see, JUST LIKE items 1 and 2 were SEQUENTIALLY "far apart" by some 2000 yrs, do you agree, or no?)

Your Claims Are False And "Error"

God's words below silences your "Error"!

As the words "CLEARLY STATE"!

"They That Are Christ At His Coming. Then Cometh The End"

There isn't a 1,000 year kingdom on earth between verse 23-24 below, who you trying to fool, "Yourself"

1 Corinthians 15:20-26KJV
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

There Is No 1,000 Year Kingdom On Earth Here

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

[Nehemiah6]

how can you be so sure that the elect are referring to the Jews and not to the ones whose names are written in the Lambs book of life?

The saved Jews after the Second Coming of Christ are also written in the Lamb's Book of Life. As are all those who receive the gift of eternal life. Please read and study Romans 11:25-36.

 

[RevelationMan]

The saved Jews after the Second Coming of Christ are also written in the Lamb's Book of Life. As are all those who receive the gift of eternal life. Please read and study Romans 11:25-36.

Romans appears to be referring to the Jews as the elect but what about the other passages that appear to be referring to the church as the elect as well.

1 Thessalonians 1:4 - Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
2 Peter 1:10 - Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;

 

[Nehemiah6]

Romans appears to be referring to the Jews as the elect but what about the other passages that appear to be referring to the church as the elect as well.

All those who have put their faith in Christ (before of after His Second Coming) and been saved by grace, are also the elect of God. Election and predestination are NOT for salvation but for perfection and glorification (Rom 8:29,30):

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified...
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. (1 Pet 1:2)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

There Is No 1,000 Year Kingdom On Earth Here
24 Then [eita] [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

I don't suppose you've examined carefully the passages I supplied in another post (about the chronology) and which I have just posted again in another thread... Will you care to do so, and perhaps discuss it ? :

https://christianchat.com/threads/a...ime-among-some-christians.192730/post-4285206

The TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23] separated by a TIME-PERIOD.



[for the readers: ... for the above, bear in mind what Paul had SPECIFICALLY been tasked with covering, "THIS mortal," and "THIS corruptible" (speaking solely and SPECIFICALLY to/for/about "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"--ALL those "saved" in this present age [singular]--Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence])

 

[Truth7t7]

The saved Jews after the Second Coming of Christ are also written in the Lamb's Book of Life. As are all those who receive the gift of eternal life. Please read and study Romans 11:25-36.

The remnant Jews are saved and added to the church "Before" the second coming, becayse when Jesus Christ returns this world is"Toast"!

2 Peter 3:10-13

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't suppose you've examined carefully the passages I supplied in another post (about the chronology) and which I have just posted again in another thread... Will you care to do so, and perhaps discuss it ? :

https://christianchat.com/threads/a...ime-among-some-christians.192730/post-4285206

The TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23] separated by a TIME-PERIOD.



[for the readers: ... for the above, bear in mind what Paul had SPECIFICALLY been tasked with covering, "THIS mortal," and "THIS corruptible" (speaking solely and SPECIFICALLY to/for/about "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"--ALL those "saved" in this present age [singular]--Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence])

You haven't refuted God's truth below

Your Claims Are False And "Error"

God's words below silences your "Error"!

As the words "CLEARLY STATE"!

"They That Are Christ At His Coming. Then Cometh The End"

There isn't a 1,000 year kingdom on earth between verse 23-24 below, who you trying to fool, "Yourself"

1 Corinthians 15:20-26KJV
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

There Is No 1,000 Year Kingdom On Earth Here

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

[Truth7t7]

All those who have put their faith in Christ (before of after His Second Coming) and been saved by grace, are also the elect of God. Election and predestination are NOT for salvation but for perfection and glorification (Rom 8:29,30):

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified...
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. (1 Pet 1:2)

Election isnt for salvation?

You speak of another gospel and doctrine!

 

[JeremiahsCup]

I always love when I get to this part. The King shall come and he is Jesus, praise God.

Revelation 19

1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

@Truth7t7 's Post #52 (to me):

Nearly everything Jesus spoke about in the Gospels was referring to it (note: NONE of these refer to "our Rapture" ):

--"the kingdom OF THE heavenS" [on the earth]

--"the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [on the earth]

--"the AGE [SINGULAR] to come" [on the earth]

--the "G347 SHALL SIT DOWN [around a table / at a meal" [on the earth]

--"the 12" being told that they "shall sit on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel" [on the earth]

--"the throne of His glory" Matt19:28 / Matt25:31-34 where "NATIONS" are LOCATED [on the earth]

--"He SHALL [FTURE tense to Rev19] rule/shepherd them [the NATIONS] with a rod/sceptre of iron [righteousness and strength--See also Acts 17:31 "...He has FIXED/ESTABLISHED a day IN WHICH He will judge the word in righteousness in a Man Whom He HAS APPOINTED..." and see 1Tim6:15 "which IN HIS TIMES He SHALL SHEW [openly manifest], Who is King of kings and Lord of lords" (one of only TWO TIMES in all of the epistles that mention "King" [re: Him], and BOTH of them are "FUTURE tense" and parallel Rev19:16, His "RETURN" to the earth)

--Acts 3:21 "whom the heaven must receive UNTIL the timeS of restoration OF ALL THINGS WHICH GOD SPAKE BY the mouth of all His holy prophets from the age" (i.e. the OT prophets and their prophecies concerning this) [on the earth]

--about 9 or 10 "BLESSED" passages that speak of the "still-living [at that time-slot]," "saints only," who will ENTER the earthly MK age in their mortal bodies (capable of reproducing/bearing children) [on the earth]

--the TWO "RETURN" passages: "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" THEN the meal [G347], Lk12:35,36-37,38,40,42-44; and "RETURN" Lk19:12,15,17,19 when He will deal out responsibilities having to do with "CITIES" [on the earth ]

--"the meek... shall INHERIT THE EARTH" (but who cares about Matthew 5, right?? LOL)

--too many more to list... they are ABUNDANT (but people tend to read INTO these passages the idea of "UP IN Heaven" when they are not meaning that...)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDIT: plz excuse my several TYPOS in the above post... (there's actually A LOT of them!)... tired typing tappers all tapped out... lol


Have a restful night... zzzzz

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Just as the First Coming of Christ was for salvation, the Second Coming of Christ is for judgment and damnation. Just as Christ came in humility and humiliation at His First Advent, He will come WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY at His Second Advent (Mt 24:30).

There are many Christians who have failed to see this truth. Indeed there is much confusion about the Second Coming, with some even imagining that there is no difference between the Resurrection/Rapture and the Second Coming. Some even think that the Second Coming equals the end of the world. Some do not even believe that there will be a battle of Armageddon. Some do not believe that God will gather all Jews from around the world at that time so that they are confronted by their true Messiah in Israel, who will stand on the Mount of Olives and split it in two. Some do not believe that after His Second Coming, Christ will literally establish His literal reign on earth for one thousand years. And the list goes on. Utter confusion when there should be perfect clarity.

It is truly amazing to think that Enoch – the seventh from Adam (who lived on earth around 3400 BC) – prophesied about the Second Coming of Christ to execute judgment: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of His saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. (Jude 1:14, 15)

We see the Second Coming of Christ in Revelation 19:11-21. This is a literal, real, visible, tangible Second Coming with Christ returning to earth with all His saints and angels (called “clouds” because of their white and shining appearance): Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7)

This verse tells us that (1) every person on earth will see the majestic Second Coming of Christ, and (2) every person – the whole unbelieving and ungodly world – will weep and wail and mourn because Christ is coming to judge them in His wrath.

This is further detailed in 2 Thessalonians 1: 6-10 and Revelation 6:15-17: Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power; When He shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day...

...And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

In view of the certainty of the Second Coming of Christ, God has given a warning to every person on earth to repent. Indeed He has commanded ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent (Acts 17:30,31): And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him [Christ] from the dead.

God judges his elect while they live their lives here on earth, and at his second coming will gather them together and tell them to enter into heaven ye good and faithful servants. There is no second death for the elect. Jude, the brother of James, is telling them that is sanctified by God, and preserved in Christ, that God has before of old ordained certain men to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of God into lasciviousness, and denying the only God, and Jesus Christ. These are the men that will be judged at his second coming and cast into the lack of fire.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Psalm 21 -

8 Your hand will apprehend all Your enemies;

Your right hand will seize those who hate You.

9 You will place them in a fiery furnace

at the time of Your appearing.

In His wrath the LORD will engulf them,

and the fire will consume them.

10 You will wipe their descendants from the earth, [<--interesting way of saying it]

and their offspring from the sons of men.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Election isnt for salvation?You speak of another gospel and doctrine!

No. I speak the truth according to the Gospel. God elects no one for salvation or damnation. And just a few verses should suffice.

JOHN 3: SALVATION IS OFFERED TO THE WHOLE WORLD
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

No. I speak the truth according to the Gospel. God elects no one for salvation or damnation. And just a few verses should suffice.

JOHN 3: SALVATION IS OFFERED TO THE WHOLE WORLD
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.

They always forget about the next part.

John 3:18-21

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.