Will we, in Heaven, see the God the Father in Heaven?
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You posted a very good excerpt as your signature. It reads;
“There's a way to preach the Bible unbiblically...You can use the Bible as the springboard for all kinds of ideas, can't you? Look around in here and find something that fits your fancy and then launch a rocket off it. People say, 'That was amazing, wasn't it? Remarkable what he got out of that.' Well of course it is, because he put it in before he got it out.”
― Alistair Begg
Now, put it into practice, just for you. Where is a single verse that says we are going to heaven? Oh, I know that there are some verses that if you add and subtract a little, you can make them mean that we go to heaven, but that is what your excerpt says. Ask yourself, is there a set of verses with which to build a doctrine of men going to heaven and seeing God? I mean verses like "you shall not murder", or "you are the Temple of God". And then comes another difficult question. If Christ is returning to earth, what are you going to be doing in heaven? This is followed by an even more difficult question. In 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 it says that at the coming of the Lord, the dead RISE. And then TOGETHER with the living are "caught UP". How could they if they were already in heaven.
Then, on examination of the dead, we see, in every case in scripture, the dead RISE. On top of this, God has never ever made a statement that He either made men for heaven, or that heaven was the goal. In Genesis 1:26-28 God specifically says that men are made for the earth.
I think it is worth an investigation. If I were a detective looking at a crime scene, the facts would count - not a preconceived idea. What say you my esteemed brother?
“There's a way to preach the Bible unbiblically...You can use the Bible as the springboard for all kinds of ideas, can't you? Look around in here and find something that fits your fancy and then launch a rocket off it. People say, 'That was amazing, wasn't it? Remarkable what he got out of that.' Well of course it is, because he put it in before he got it out.”
― Alistair Begg
Now, put it into practice, just for you. Where is a single verse that says we are going to heaven? Oh, I know that there are some verses that if you add and subtract a little, you can make them mean that we go to heaven, but that is what your excerpt says. Ask yourself, is there a set of verses with which to build a doctrine of men going to heaven and seeing God? I mean verses like "you shall not murder", or "you are the Temple of God". And then comes another difficult question. If Christ is returning to earth, what are you going to be doing in heaven? This is followed by an even more difficult question. In 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 it says that at the coming of the Lord, the dead RISE. And then TOGETHER with the living are "caught UP". How could they if they were already in heaven.
Then, on examination of the dead, we see, in every case in scripture, the dead RISE. On top of this, God has never ever made a statement that He either made men for heaven, or that heaven was the goal. In Genesis 1:26-28 God specifically says that men are made for the earth.
I think it is worth an investigation. If I were a detective looking at a crime scene, the facts would count - not a preconceived idea. What say you my esteemed brother?
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There are some Scriptures which speak of God the Father as the Ancient of Days, and say that He has the likeness of a Man while seated on His throne. So while God is a Spirit, He can also take the appearance of a Man.
And above the firmament that was over their [the Cherubims’] heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a Man [the Ancient of Days] above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of His loins even upward, and from the appearance of His loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain [the rainbow], so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake. (Ezek 1:26-28)
We see this again in Daniel 7:9: I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
And above the firmament that was over their [the Cherubims’] heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a Man [the Ancient of Days] above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of His loins even upward, and from the appearance of His loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain [the rainbow], so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake. (Ezek 1:26-28)
We see this again in Daniel 7:9: I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
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That is incorrect. They are not one and the same. The Father is distinct from the Son, but also resembles His appearance. This is clearly brought out in Daniel 7:13: I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Christ] came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days [the Father], and they brought Him [the Son] near before Him [the Father].
We see this distinction in Revelation also.
We see this distinction in Revelation also.
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Why do you suppose our Maker told Moses I am that I am. Yahweh. Our Father will appear in any way He sees fit for the occasion, but come the Kingdom you will know.
It is an arrogant habit of saying flatly others are wrong or others are right. Learn to keep things to yourself if yo do not understand Isaiah 9:6 where we are told and taught that the babe prophesied to be born to a virgin would be called the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, or will you say this understanding is wrong.
It is an arrogant habit of saying flatly others are wrong or others are right. Learn to keep things to yourself if yo do not understand Isaiah 9:6 where we are told and taught that the babe prophesied to be born to a virgin would be called the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, or will you say this understanding is wrong.
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That’s not what was written:
Everlasting Father,
אֲבִיעַ֖ד (’ă·ḇî·‘aḏ)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 5703: 1) perpetuity, for ever, continuing future 1a) ancient (of past time) 1b) for ever (of future time) 1b1) of continuous existence 1c) for ever (of God's existence)
The translator made an assumption. What was translated “Everlasting Father” just means eternal.
Everlasting Father,
אֲבִיעַ֖ד (’ă·ḇî·‘aḏ)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 5703: 1) perpetuity, for ever, continuing future 1a) ancient (of past time) 1b) for ever (of future time) 1b1) of continuous existence 1c) for ever (of God's existence)
The translator made an assumption. What was translated “Everlasting Father” just means eternal.
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If they are one and the same, why when someone told Jesus He was good. He corrected him by saying only God is good. There is a plethora of verses that distinguish the Father from the Son. The only verse that loosely backs that assumption is when Jesus says, “The Father and I are one.” This isn’t a confirmation. My wife and I are one. That doesn’t mean we are a single entity.
I have repeated my learning from the Word in my own words, bringing up/to/the/day the language.
Everlasting Father is the Father. Comforter and Counselor are the Holy Spirit. Ruler of Peace is our Savior in the flesh, Jesus-Yeshua.
You KNOW this is correct so why are you splitting words by feigned scholarly wording which will only confuse the lesser educated_
You know what I have posted is according to understanding of the Word..now you wish to split hairs. This is not my calling, allow me to understand after reading all of the Word dozens of times in prayer, and aloud for the creation to hear.
Everlasting Father is the Father. Comforter and Counselor are the Holy Spirit. Ruler of Peace is our Savior in the flesh, Jesus-Yeshua.
You KNOW this is correct so why are you splitting words by feigned scholarly wording which will only confuse the lesser educated_
You know what I have posted is according to understanding of the Word..now you wish to split hairs. This is not my calling, allow me to understand after reading all of the Word dozens of times in prayer, and aloud for the creation to hear.
Both the Father and the Son are Yahweh -- GOD. At the same time they are distinct from each other in Heaven. Please note carefully:
THE FATHER HOLDS THE SCROLL
And I saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne [THE FATHER] a book [a scroll] written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. (Rev 5:1)
THE SON OPENS THE SCROLL
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And He [CHRIST] came and took the book out of the right hand of Him [THE FATHER] that sat upon the throne. (Rev 5:6,7)
And since the Father is shown with the appearance of a Man, holding the scroll in His right hand, it confirms that God the Father does take the appearance of a Man in Heaven. And both Father and Son are Yahweh. This is the Mystery of God.
THE FATHER HOLDS THE SCROLL
And I saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne [THE FATHER] a book [a scroll] written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. (Rev 5:1)
THE SON OPENS THE SCROLL
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And He [CHRIST] came and took the book out of the right hand of Him [THE FATHER] that sat upon the throne. (Rev 5:6,7)
And since the Father is shown with the appearance of a Man, holding the scroll in His right hand, it confirms that God the Father does take the appearance of a Man in Heaven. And both Father and Son are Yahweh. This is the Mystery of God.
Please note the name, Yahweh is akin to the English gerund, that is a noun form of a verb. The gerund, Yahwhe is from theHebrew verb Hayah, or, to be. The gerund of the English to be is being.
Now Yahweh is active as a gerund used meaning He wills to be. Perhaps you will understand more by studying the verb and the noun derived from it used by our Maker, for only He is able to Will to Be, and only He will be what He will be. I believe all He says of Himself, through all of His prophets.
Now Yahweh is active as a gerund used meaning He wills to be. Perhaps you will understand more by studying the verb and the noun derived from it used by our Maker, for only He is able to Will to Be, and only He will be what He will be. I believe all He says of Himself, through all of His prophets.
"Be spiritually prepared, for behold will be a glory to behold, and not one
here in the now shall know what that is to be, not one.
Spiritually prepared, know this and know it well. And, what you see, is not
what is meant has profound significance. Be not deceived by the intellectual community,
for deception shall hinder spiritual preparedness."
here in the now shall know what that is to be, not one.
Spiritually prepared, know this and know it well. And, what you see, is not
what is meant has profound significance. Be not deceived by the intellectual community,
for deception shall hinder spiritual preparedness."
