There Is "One" Future Resurrection Of All, On The Last Day

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Not that straight forward is it? 😐
 

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The term "Resurrection" in the Scripture is reserved exclusively for the time of the Lords second coming when the believers take on their "immortal bodies"
No it isn't,

But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Mt.22:31-32
 

Nehemiah6

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The term "Resurrection" in the Scripture is reserved exclusively for the time of the Lords second coming when the believers take on their "immortal bodies"
This is completely false. The Resurrection/Rapture is not the same as the Second Coming in any way, shape, or form.

There is no resurrection at the Second Coming. But there is tremendous slaughter. There will be a river of blood 200 miles long and five feet deep.

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. (Rev 14:20)

The city = Jerusalem
The winepress = the battle of Armageddon
1600 furlongs = 200 miles
Horses bridles = about 5 feet high

And because there is such tremendous slaughter the Lord summons all the carrion birds to their feast: And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. (Rev 19:17,18)

If you are going to call yourself Truth 7t7, you should start posting the truth. So far all you have done is promote confusion.
 

Nehemiah6

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Just making that statement does not make it so..
It would take a book to set everything straight. And even then there is no guarantee than people will not hold on their their false ideas.
 

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This is completely false. The Resurrection/Rapture is not the same as the Second Coming in any way, shape, or form.

There is no resurrection at the Second Coming. But there is tremendous slaughter. There will be a river of blood 200 miles long and five feet deep.

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. (Rev 14:20)

The city = Jerusalem
The winepress = the battle of Armageddon
1600 furlongs = 200 miles
Horses bridles = about 5 feet high

And because there is such tremendous slaughter the Lord summons all the carrion birds to their feast: And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. (Rev 19:17,18)

If you are going to call yourself Truth 7t7, you should start posting the truth. So far all you have done is promote confusion.
Your claim is false as 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV clearly shows the future "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ and the "Resurrection", Just One Example :)

The (Last Day) Second Coming And Resurrection Seen Below.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 

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No it isn't,

But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Mt.22:31-32
Your response has proved "Nothing" to my claim :)
 
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Your claim is false as 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV clearly shows the future "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ and the "Resurrection", Just One Example :)

The (Last Day) Second Coming And Resurrection Seen Below.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This picture will clarify what that passage meant, Jesus will descend to meet the Body of Christ in the air, but his feet will not touch down on the Mount of Olives, that will only happen in the 2nd coming for Israel, see the pretrib pic

Your view is that of posttribulation.

 

Truth7t7

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This picture will clarify what that passage meant, Jesus will descend to meet the Body of Christ in the air, but his feet will not touch down on the Mount of Olives, that will only happen in the 2nd coming for Israel, see the pretrib pic

Your view is that of posttribulation.

Your claim is false, 1 Thess 4:14-17 is the (Last Day) resurrection of the believer, there is no earthly time "Beyond" the believers resurrection.

You falsely teach there is mortal time beyond The (Last Day)

The (Last Day) Second Coming And Resurrection Seen Below.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 6:40KJV
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 
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Your claim is false, 1 Thess 4:14-17 is the (Last Day) resurrection of the believer, there is no earthly time "Beyond" the believers resurrection.

You falsely teach there is mortal time beyond The (Last Day)

The (Last Day) Second Coming And Resurrection Seen Below.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 6:40KJV
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
I am just sharing with you that 1 Thess passage was talking about the rapture of the body of Christ. "meet the Lord in the air" is not equivalent to Jesus touching down on the Mount of Olives

The Rapture is obviously not found in John since it was mystery revealed only to Paul by the ascended Christ himself.
 

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I am just sharing with you that 1 Thess passage was talking about the rapture of the body of Christ. "meet the Lord in the air" is not equivalent to Jesus touching down on the Mount of Olives

The Rapture is obviously not found in John since it was mystery revealed only to Paul by the ascended Christ himself.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 & Zechariah 14:1-12 is the same event of the second coming (Last Day)

You falsely claim they are different events.

Just because the verse dosen't describe "Exactly" every detail, dosent mean it's a different event.

You have been clearly shown 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 isnt a pre-trib rapture, as is falsely taught in dispensationalism, it's the second coming last day resurrection.
 
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1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 & Zechariah 14:1-12 is the same event of the second coming (Last Day)

You falsely claim they are different events.

Just because the verse dosen't describe "Exactly" every detail, dosent mean it's a different event.

You have been clearly shown 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 isnt a pre-trib rapture, as is falsely taught in dispensationalism, it's the second coming last day resurrection.
The rapture is a mystery. If you don’t accept that, alright then.
 

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The Rapture is obviously not found in John since it was mystery revealed only to Paul by the ascended Christ himself.
I agree completely with your post except for the fact that the Rapture is indeed found in the Gospel of John.

JOHN 14: THE RAPTURE REVEALED BEFORE THE CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Anyone who deliberately tries to confuse the Resurrection/Rapture with the Second Coming of Christ is impervious to the truth, and has his own agenda.
 

Truth7t7

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It proves Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were considered "resurrected" by Jesus. :)
The scripture makes no claim that Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob are resurrected 100% "False"

The scripture claims they are part of the living, just as all those in faith.

Matthew 22:32KJV
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Psalm 69:28KJV
Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Psalm 116:9KJV
I will walk before the Lord in the land of the living.
 
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I agree completely with your post except for the fact that the Rapture is indeed found in the Gospel of John.

JOHN 14: THE RAPTURE REVEALED BEFORE THE CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Anyone who deliberately tries to confuse the Resurrection/Rapture with the Second Coming of Christ is impervious to the truth, and has his own agenda.
Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel during his first coming. (Matthew 15:24)

The idea of a Body of Christ consisting of Jews and Gentiles being equal was not revealed by him during his first coming, it was not the time yet. (John 16:12)

So he cannot be talking about the rapture in John, unless you want to read Paul into what he was saying to Israel.
 

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I agree completely with your post except for the fact that the Rapture is indeed found in the Gospel of John.

JOHN 14: THE RAPTURE REVEALED BEFORE THE CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Anyone who deliberately tries to confuse the Resurrection/Rapture with the Second Coming of Christ is impervious to the truth, and has his own agenda.
This shows nothing more than the "Second Coming" last day resurrection.
 

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Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel during his first coming. (Matthew 15:24)
This is improper exegesis. Even though Christ was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, His words and His salvation were for all mankind, as is very clear from the Gospels. Indeed there are very few things addressed specifically to Jews.

Furthermore, the words in John 14:1-3 are very clear -- I WILL COME AGAIN AND RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF. That can only be applied to the Rapture.
 

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This shows nothing more than the "Second Coming" last day resurrection.
That is TOTAL NONSENSE. Christ receives no one to Himself at the Second Coming. So let's take another look at the Second Coming to prove how nonsensical your beliefs are.

REVELATION 19: THE SECOND COMING IS FOR THE WRATH OF GOD
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
[THE SLAUGHTER OF MILLIONS]
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
[THE SLAUGHTER OF MILLIONS]
 

Truth7t7

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That is TOTAL NONSENSE. Christ receives no one to Himself at the Second Coming. So let's take another look at the Second Coming to prove how nonsensical your beliefs are.

REVELATION 19: THE SECOND COMING IS FOR THE WRATH OF GOD
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
[THE SLAUGHTER OF MILLIONS]
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
[THE SLAUGHTER OF MILLIONS]
There is only"One" future second coming, there is only "One" future resurrection

Dispensationalism does nothing more than take the second coming and try to change it into a pre-trib rapture, you think the entire body of Christ is ignorant of this fact