United Nations set to debate human right violations of the US

[1christian1]

It is immaterial whether anything was or was not purchased. Federal law is against being in possession of counterfeit currency.

Did the officer's find additional bill's on him? If not, they could'nt of charged him with possession. Right?
And when once in your life have you heard of a cashier waiting to check a bill. My experience always
is that when in front of me . They raise the bill ( looking into the light? ) I always wondered, because they pay so much attention. If I would have got one from another store. Or the bank. lol. Anyhow, Have you ever heard or read about the cashier not doing this? Just sounds odd.On both sides...

 

[Magenta]

Did the officer's find additional bill's on him? If not, they could'nt of charged him with possession. Right?
And when once in your life have you heard of a cashier waiting to check a bill. My experience always is that when in front of me . They raise the bill ( looking into the light? ) I always wondered, because they pay so much attention. If I would have got one from another store. Or the bank. lol. Anyhow, Have you ever heard or read about the cashier not doing this? Just sounds odd.On both sides...

Since the store clerk did not accept the money, believing it to be counterfeit, would it not still have been in George Floyd's possession?

I am not sure of the intention of your post. Could you please clarify?

 

[1christian1]

Since the store clerk did not accept the money, believing it to be counterfeit, would it not still have been in George Floyd's possession?

I am not sure of the intention of your post. Could you please clarify?

You were saying that the police had the right to arrest this guy because of possession. If the clerk accepted this as currency. At this point the are in possession of illegal bill's Right?

 

[Magenta]

You were saying that the police had the right to arrest this guy because of possession. If the clerk accepted this as currency. At this point the are in possession of illegal bill's Right?

It is my understanding that the clerk refused to sell anything to George Floyd because he believed the currency was counterfeit.

 

[Magenta]

You were saying that the police had the right to arrest this guy because of possession. If the clerk accepted this as currency. At this point the are in possession of illegal bill's Right?

It is my understanding that the clerk refused to sell anything to George Floyd because he believed the currency was counterfeit.

My apologies. The store clerk did accept the counterfeit bill. Passing counterfeit currency is more serious than simple possession, isn't it? Either way, both are against the law, and the clerk knew who gave him the bill.

 

[1christian1]

It is my understanding that the clerk refused to sell anything to George Floyd because he believed the currency was counterfeit.

I'm going to tell you a story that my daughter just reminded me of. Our vehicle was stolen about 2 Christmas' ago. That turned my world upside down. It was 2 hours from the time I called, to the time that they arrived. My vehicle was worth 200 times that, do you think that the police dept. have their priorities
strait? This is a true story Magenta. There are friends in here that helped me through this at the time...

 

[Magenta]

I'm going to tell you a story that my daughter just reminded me of. Our vehicle was stolen about 2 Christmas' ago. That turned my world upside down. It was 2 hours from the time I called, to the time that they arrived. My vehicle was worth 200 times that, do you think that the police dept. have their priorities strait? This is a true story Magenta. There are friends in here that helped me through this at the time...

I'm sorry that happened to you, especially at that time of year. You have been here now for almost two years, but I do not remember you posting back then. You seem much more active now Any ways, we live in a world where it seems a lot of things are awry. Would it be an exaggeration to say there is corruption at every level of governance? I do not place my faith in earthly rulers. The point I was making is that it is against the law to be in possession of, or pass, counterfeit currency. I did also state that a conviction would not come from the charge if the person could prove they did not know it was counterfeit. I am not in any way defending the actions of the police.

 

[1christian1]

I'm sorry that happened to you, especially at that time of year. You have been here now for almost two years, but I do not remember you posting back then. You seem much more active now Any ways, we live in a world where it seems a lot of things are awry. Would it be an exaggeration to say there is corruption at every level of governance? I do not place my faith in earthly rulers. The point I was making is that it is against the law to be in possession of, or pass, counterfeit currency. I did also state that a conviction would not come from the charge if the person could prove they did not know it was counterfeit. I am not in any way defending the actions of the police.

No, I did'nt talk to a lot of people in here at the time. . But I have a few friend's in here.

 

[Magenta]

No, I did'nt talk to a lot of people in here at the time. . But I have a few friend's in here.

It occurred to me that I have been more active of late too. I know we have butted heads a bit on certain issues lately, but I hope you consider me a friend also, regardless of that.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Member States in Africa have petitioned the United Nations...

This would be a good time to demand that the UN move out of New York and the USA, and start investigating themselves for failure to stop Africans from killing Africans. I wonder how many in DC will have the guts to do that.

 

[1christian1]

It occurred to me that I have been more active of late too. I know we have butted heads a bit on certain issues lately, but I hope you consider me a friend also, regardless of that.

Of coarse I do. As I had mentioned. The robbery happened a while ago. A short time there after. I had'nt been in here for over a year. As I head also mentioned incident rocked mine and daughter's world. She was actually the one to bring this to my attention about how the law cared nothing about what happened to us and killed a thief over 20 dollars. Not hypothetical, But real...

 

[UnoiAmarah]

This would be a good time to demand that the UN move out of New York and the USA, and start investigating themselves for failure to stop Africans from killing Africans.

Maybe, do you believe in the right to own property? Do you believe people should keep their word?

Except for those things it would be the perfect time, but the UN owns the property and building in NYC and then there is the issue of that treaty thing.

Isn't the U.S. is bound by its own Constitution to abide by the treaty it signed, and was ratified by the U.S. Senate upon the conclusion of WWII, with the United Nations. If I read Article VI of the United States Constitution correctly, it would appear that all treaties shall be the supreme Law of the land, and reading the treaty with the UN it kinda explains why the United States is referred unto as a Member State of the United Nations, kinda like the Virginia is a State of the United States.

What is your understanding of the US treaty with the UN?

I wonder how many in DC will have the guts to do that.

The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep

"Nothing is a greater stranger to my breast, or a sin that my soul more abhors, than that black and detestable one, ingratitude."
George Washington.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

and killed a thief over 20 dollars. Not hypothetical, But real...

So I guess you think George Floyd actually passed a counterfeit $20 bill because, what was your reason for saying he was a thief? Because you believe that everyone has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Oh ok, that makes
sense. I thought for a second there you were going to say that someone called 911 and said he did.

So did you see the video from the grocery store that claimed he used a counterfeit bill at? Minneapolis requires certain businesses to have in use video surveillance cameras:

An ordinance to require surveillance cameras was enacted in 2005 to protect the public health, safety and welfare by increasing security for patrons and employees of these businesses (MCO 259.230).

These businesses must have a surveillance camera operating in their stores during business hours: Gas stations with groceries, Tobacco dealers, Grocery stores, Off-sale liquor establishments and Confectioneries – candy stores.

Here is a link to the City of Minneapolis website for more information regarding the subject. https://www.minneapolismn.gov/licensing/WCMSP-217310

It must have been coincidence that they didn't have a camera in operation on the day Floyd entered their store and uttered a counterfeit bill, or else they would have had one at entrance door which would have captured his image when he entered. I can't help but ponder if the Police relied upon the store to be in compliance with the camera requirement so they took the clerks word for it? Or maybe the clerks just told the Officers that they did, or maybe like you they just assumed a black guy had to be guilty.

Now the restaurant located across the street from the grocery store where Mr. Floyd is said to have used the counterfeit bill at have a camera? So did the clip from their outside camera show Mr. Floyd parking his vehicle and exiting it to go over to the store?

But then again why should it, they are not required to have an camera for the type of business they operate. But none the less they have one so why doesn't its show Mr. Floyd either exiting his vehicle to go over to the store or even show him returning from the store and entering his vehicle.

But of course, why should that be relevant if one thinks that Mr. Floyd was guilty of the offense, it wouldn't matter at all.
But I know better than to qualify your belief that black people naturally are thieves, but would ask you again, how do you know that Mr. Floyd was a thief and if you don't then why did you refer unto as one....

 

[blueluna5]

Member States in Africa have petitioned the United Nations Human Rights Counsel to conduct hearings on the systemic racism and police brutality in the United States inflicted upon those who identify themselves as being African-americans. The UNHRC is set to meet on this matter on Wednesday June 17, 2020. Link

I wonder how many people believe Mr. Floyd had went into the Cup Food store on the day he died?

The videos released shows the store clerk exiting the store and walking to Mr. Floyd's vehicle but there is no video of Mr. Floyd walking to the store. And what is wrong with the video we can see is that the store clerk claims that he identified the counterfeit $20 bill before Mr. Floyd had exited the store. Therefore, if the store clerk said that they ran back outside after they identified it as a counterfeit, then if the store clerk was only 25 feet away from the front door of the store that Mr. Floyd used to exit the store too, then wouldn't you expect that Mr. Floyd would have at least moved 25 feet too, the same as the store clerk?

Therefore if it is approximately 50 feet from the front door of the store to where Mr. Floyd's vehicle was parked then I don't quite understand why Mr. Floyd doesn't appear in the footage if Mr. Floyd would still had 25 feet to go before reaching his vehicle.

If anyone knows where footage recorded before the point the store clerk exits could either be viewed or purchased I would be interested, however I don't think the folks at Dragon Wok would not have included all relevant footage, including that of Mr. Floyd walking to and fro if it had been recorded.

I'm confused on why Africa in the United Nations is conducting hearings on it. Are they offering to help black communities? Or just more judgment bc we have more than enough here!

 

[Magenta]

So I guess you think George Floyd actually passed a counterfeit $20 bill because, what was your reason for saying he was a thief?
*******
But I know better than to qualify your belief that black people naturally are thieves, but would ask you again, how do you know that Mr. Floyd was a thief and if you don't then why did you refer unto as one....

George Floyd had done time for armed robbery. He moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after having served five years for a 1st-degree felony.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

I'm confused on why Africa in the United Nations is conducting hearings on it. Are they offering to help black communities? Or just more judgment bc we have more than enough here!

It is not Africa that conducted the hearings regarding what American media reported as police brutality against blacks in the United States.

It was the leaders of 54 African Nations who signed the letter following the death of George Floyd that was submitted to the United Nation Human Rights Counsel, an organ of the United Nations which investigates complaints of human rights violations around the world.

The United Nation Human Right Committee held the hearing on the matter described in the letter "is unfortunately not an isolated incident, with many previous cases of unarmed persons of African descent suffering the same fate due to unchecked police brutality,"
And upon conclusion of the meeting, the UNHRC unanimously adopted a resolution brought by African countries. The mandate also asks U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet to examine government responses to peaceful protests, including alleged use of excessive force, and deliver findings in a year’s time.

Are they offering to help black communities?

The resolution adopted states, "... the promotion and protections of the human rights and fundamental freedoms of Africans and of people of African descent against police brutality excessive use of force and other violations of human right violations by law enforcement officers.

So I would answer your question by saying that they are affirming to promote and protect the human rights and fundamental freedom of Africans and people of African decent.

Or just more judgment bc we have more than enough here!

If there was judgment here then adoption of the African resolution adopted by the UNHRC would be welcomed. What is unfortunate is that Americans see white, black, yellow, brown when they look at a police officer and fail to see blue.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

George Floyd had done time for armed robbery. He moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after having served five years for a 1st-degree felony.

The person who I was addressing didn't know Mr. Floyd's past when he called him a thief.

You didn't know his record until you looked it up which begs the question, are you saying that you don't believe that a person's sins are washed away and they are a new creature when they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour? If you do then why did you look up his past and since you did you should know that he served his time and was released.

15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; ......
16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; ......
Ezek 33:15-16

And couldn't call him a thief even if he did know his past.

 

[Magenta]

The person who I was addressing didn't know Mr. Floyd's past when he called him a thief.

Are you sure? How do you know? I have not seen @1christian1 say that.

You didn't know his record until you looked it up

None of us knew any of this until somebody else informed us.
His record is public knowledge at this point.
I certainly knew before I answered.

which begs the question, are you saying that you don't believe that a person's sins are washed away and they are a new creature when they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour? If you do then why did you look up his past and since you did you should know that he served his time and was released.

What is your problem, really? Do you now also assume George Floyd was a born again Christian?

Do you mean to imply that Christians are not to suffer any worldly consequences for breaking the law?

 

[UnoiAmarah]

I certainly knew before I answered.

Based upon your claim to know that it is against the law for a person to be in possession of a counterfeit bill whether they knew it or not, then if you knew it before you said it then why don't you provide either the Minnesota or Federal statute which you claim to know that affirms what your claiming to be the truth.

So there isn't any misunderstanding, it is you contention that you know Mr. Floyd was in possession of, or attempted to pass a counterfeit bill on the day he died in Minneapolis, While I don't mean to be disrespectful or arrogance sounding, but you don't know nothing in regards to whether Mr. Floyd was in possession of, or had used a counterfeit bill that day.

If you don't know that you don't know then the question in the spoiler will let you know whether you do or don't.

Spoiler: So if you believe the 911 caller

So do you think you know the driver in this incident had driven drunk when 3 different 911 callers had reported a truck that appeared to be driven by a drunk driver that had just hit another vehicle on the highway and described the semi truck, gave the license # the trailer plate, and the location they followed it to where it had just parked.

And the the police officers responding to the 911 dispatcher who immediately advice his officers to the location given by the three different 911 callers who within minutes arrive at the location given by the 911 callers where they find the vehicle they described with the the trailer having the license plate # matching the one given by the callers, and find the driver who was intoxicated standing outside the vehicle who told them the semi had been in his custody all day and nobody but him could have driven it.

So if the driver told you that the three 911 callers were lying then could he tell you anything that would convince you he was telling you the truth, or do you know that there is nothing that the driver could say that would prove that the three 911 callers were lying?

The answer is obvious except to those who don't know the answer, then the answer isn't so obvious. And if the answer isn't obvious then it is obvious that they don't know but are merely guessing.

 

[Magenta]

While I don't mean to be disrespectful or arrogance sounding, but you don't know nothing in regards to whether Mr. Floyd was in possession of, or had used a counterfeit bill that day.

Neither do you.