We experience a death to our old sin nature once we are baptized into Christ.

[posthuman]

We won’t be able to blame sin in us before the throne but it is not what we desire to be and do when the HS lives in us.

Romans 8 doesn't say there is no longer any condemnation on account of our perfect conduct.
it says there isn't any condemnation because we no longer serve sin with our mind, but have died with Him to it, and serve God by our spirit. "consider yourselves dead to sin" ((Romans 6:11)) -- the first imperative statement in the whole epistle; this is a command regarding a person's thoughts.

For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh,
but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
(Romans 8:5)
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I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord!​

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.​

(Romans 7:25)
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some people say that these two verses, barely one paragraph apart, are talking about two entirely different people, one damned and one saved. but both speak about a person whose mind is not set on the things of the flesh, but on the things of the Spirit.

this is not a gospel of salvation by perfect conduct. if salvation was by perfect conduct, our flesh would still condemn us before Him. Christ has made a way for us, by the cross, to be justified through faith in Him.

 

[posthuman]

this is not a gospel of salvation by perfect conduct. if salvation was by perfect conduct, our flesh would still condemn us before Him. Christ has made a way for us, by the cross, to be justified through faith in Him.

it ought to be obvious that the answer of a good conscious to this truth is to work to bring our bodies into subjection to the right spirit in us.

 

[Peterlag]

Yet, sin is still committed whether one is in Christ or not in Christ. No, the spirit of Christ does not sin but the spirit of rebellion inside oneself is fully capable of committing a sin. Paul was in Christ and walked in the spirit and yet he claimed that he was the chief among sinners.

Here's a few more...
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

 

[posthuman]

Again, vs 13 says But it was not counted as sin because there was not yet any law to break.

yet v. 12 says all sinned

Romans 5 isn't as easy to comprehend as Romans 7 IMO

 

[posthuman]

I therefore walk in the Spirit to prevent sin from manifesting itself in my conduct.

Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. ​

(Romans 8:33-34)

He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him,
since He always lives to make intercession for them.
(Hebrews 7:25)​

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why is it God who justifies, if your conduct is perfect?
why is Christ always making intercession for you, if you have no sin?
even for your flesh.

 

[jackrosie]

I was baptised in the Holy Spirit..I was set free from sin.....we experience coming alive in Christ...we are dead to sin after we are saved...
We then start a new journey with God..as he recognises us as his children.
Before that we are dead in sin/darkness.

As a charismatic Christian I have received power from Christ....to Glorify Him.

The power in me comes from God.

 

[jackrosie]

What does this have to do with anything? Doing wrong and God holding a man accountable is independent of where he lives. He suffers for the wrong he did. That is my point. The soul that sins dies. Sin enetered the world, not Adam. Through sin came death because we all sin.

We all sin in the flesh..in Christ we have a new heart....we walk in the Spirit our focus is on doing the will of the Father....our sins are forgiven,hidden in Christ.

But we still sin.....yes.

 

[jackrosie]

Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. ​

(Romans 8:33-34) ​

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He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, ​

since He always lives to make intercession for them. ​

(Hebrews 7:25)​

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why is it God who justifies, if your conduct is perfect?
why is Christ always making intercession for you, if you have no sin?
even for your flesh.

Once we are saved we focus our lives on the Lord as he resides in us....we are free from sin of the world....the Holy Spirit teaches us to walk in the Spirit.

 

[Guojing]

yet v. 12 says all sinned

Romans 5 isn't as easy to comprehend as Romans 7 IMO

Yes, they sinned due to imputation of Adam's disobedience.

Sin there is a noun.

 

[Guojing]

We all sin in the flesh..in Christ we have a new heart....we walk in the Spirit our focus is on doing the will of the Father....our sins are forgiven,hidden in Christ.

But we still sin.....yes.

Likewise, because we are not under the law, sin is not imputed to us. (1 Tim 1:9)

That is why you know your state is always righteous

 

[posthuman]

Sin there is a noun.

 

[Guojing]

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Paul explained in vs 13, sin was in the world, as in they committed acts of sins (verb), but it was not imputed to them because no other law was given.

 

[DorothyMae]

Thus, you find it difficult to understand the entire Romans 5:12-19 as it is written, not what you would like it to say.

I understand it completely. I understand your position completely. They aren’t the same and your position I don’t believe. I understand. I don’t believe it.

 

[DorothyMae]

We will always be in darkness and confusion regarding the truth of God’s Word if we do not understand the different administrations in the Bible.

No I understand it fairly well compared to many andsee no different administrations. Always the same Administration in charge.

All hope for our redemption is in Jesus Christ, who was born into this world, died, and in the resurrection he became the head of a new creation. The living resurrected Christ Jesus has become the one great subject that occupies the Word of God that the church belongs to. It's this Christ Jesus that is the key to the divine revelation in the Word of God for this our Grace administration.

Noah and others found grace so there’s no “grace”
administration.

The contents of the New Testament must be understood in reference to Christ Jesus our Lord because the doctrine and nature of God for this our Grace administration are centered in His Christ.

Well grace is there to know and obey God for more of us instead of a few.

 

[tourist]

Here's a few more...
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

Are you saying that once a person is born again that person will no longer commit even a single sin for the rest of their life? Have you, since the moment you were born again, committed even a single sin since? Providing various verses of scripture does not answer these questions for the answers are either yes or no. Please don't offer a bible verse saying let your yes be your yes and your no be your no either. That's not going to cut it.

 

[tourist]

Paul wrote that the law wasn’t give us til Moses.

He also wrote that without the law there is no knowledge of sin yet both Adam and Eve sinned and were certainly well aware of it.

 

[tourist]

What is trolling?

Trolling is the practice of posting with the clear intent to cause disruption and strife while at the same time portraying oneself to be scripturally and morally superior. Don't know why you included me in the quotes of your post as I never even mentioned about trolling.

 

[lenna]

I was baptised in the Holy Spirit..I was set free from sin.....we experience coming alive in Christ...we are dead to sin after we are saved...
We then start a new journey with God..as he recognises us as his children.
Before that we are dead in sin/darkness.

As a charismatic Christian I have received power from Christ....to Glorify Him.

The power in me comes from God.

ALL Christians are sealed by the Holy Spirit. The Bible does not give Christians different names to separate us one from another. I have seen pleeeenty of sinful Charismatics who really need to get a grip on their life styles. Every Christian is saved ONLY through the sinless blood of Christ and one is not better than another. In fact, doesn't scripture state we are one in Christ?

I understand what you are saying, but the emphasis is always on Jesus and that is who the Holy Spirit represents. There is plenty of abuse when it comes to people saying they speak for God because they speak in tongues or some such. I speak and pray in tongues myself and experienced several of the gifts, but I caution people to remain in the word and not carried away thinking they are in a zone different from any other Christian, because the devil does not make that difference.

I was set free from sin.

You were set free from sin having dominion over you.

 

[biker]

That is not a commandment.

They won't die anyway if they don't disobey that. God obviously made it too pleasurable for them not to do it

No, it is a direct Command.
Just 1 without consequences.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I simply believe because at this level to renew the mind is not to make it behave, but rather to make it believe. In doing so I bond in my mind with the spirit of Jesus Christ. I believe to renew the mind is to put on the mind of Christ. To put on the new man. Everyone that I talk to on here seems to think to renew the mind means to clean up their flesh. And this is why you are not understanding me.

The Bible says to present your bodies a living sacrifice,how can a person renew their mind without showing It with their body.

James 2:18
King James Version


18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.