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The scripture gives reason why people leave the faith and are lost. None of them are because of being plucked out. None. What OSAS refuses to admit are the verses that describe believers CHANGING THEIR MINDS. Please stop accusing me of denying that no one can pluck someone out. I have no hope you’ll admit one can change their minds because of the reasons Jesus gave.

Admin this member is denying scripture..she twists everything I say......look at her post.

I posted that no one....”NO ONE” can be taken from Jesus who the Father has given him!.......she denies this scripture?

She also denies that a born again will only see Heaven.....she denies that also........she then changes it to the word faith?

This member is confusing new babes and needs to be stopped.....she has twisted God’s word.....and made it her own........look again at her post to me.

I said BORN AGAIN....she then twists it and said they can lose their FAITH!.........ONLY A BORN AGAIN CAN SEE HEAVEN!!...........she has denied that truth from JESUS!!

I have reported you....because you said a born again can lose their faith.......you have denied Jesus words in the Bible.........STOP IT.......NOW!!


A BORN AGAIN WILL SEE HEAVEN!.........YOU DENY THAT????
 
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Admin this member is denying scripture..she twists everything I say......look at her post.

I posted that no one....”NO ONE” can be taken from Jesus who the Father has given him!.......she denies this scripture?

She also denies that a born again will only see Heaven.....she denies that also........she then changes it to the word faith?

This member is confusing new babes and needs to be stopped.....she has twisted God’s word.....and made it her own........look again at her post to me.

I said BORN AGAIN....she then twists it and said they can lose their FAITH!.........ONLY A BORN AGAIN CAN SEE HEAVEN!!...........she has denied that truth from JESUS!!

I have reported you....because you said a born again can lose their faith.......you have denied Jesus words in the Bible.........STOP IT.......NOW!!


A BORN AGAIN WILL SEE HEAVEN!.........YOU DENY THAT????
I don’t know how to say it more plainly so I’ll put it in bold. I wrote it but you couldn’t understand.

NO ONE CAN PLUCK A BELIEVER OUT OF JESUS’ HAND!!!!

Will you please stop saying I deny this!!!! How many times do I hand to write it before you stop???


Any believer can turn back. That’s not being plucked. That’s turning back. Do you know the difference between being plucked and changing YOUR mind?

If the site is OSAS only I’m sorry I didn’t know. Should be in the title if it is. “Only one theology allowed” or something similar.
 
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Ephesians 6:24 (HCSB)
24 Grace be with all
who have undying love for ➡our Lord Jesus Christ.



John 14:15
If you love ➡ Me, you will ➡ keep My commandments.


3 By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: ➡ ➡IF we keep His commandments. ☺☺ 4 If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not ➡ keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.…



John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they ➡ follow Me. ➡ ➡




John 15:10
If ➡ you ➡ keep My commandments, you will ➡ remain in My love, ➡ just as I have kept ➡ My Father's commandments ➡ and remain in His love.



1 John 3:22
and we will receive from Him whatever we ask, because we ➡ keep His commandments And Do what is pleasing in His sight.


1 John 4:7
Be loved, let uslove 💙❤ one another, because love comes from God. Everyone ➡ who loves 💙❤ has been born of God ➡ and knows God.




1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love ❤💙 the children of God: ➡ when ➡ we ➡ love ❤💙 ➡ ➡ God <&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&> and ➡ ➡ Keep His Commandments. ☺☺



1 John 5:3
For this is the ⬅ love ➡ of God, ➡ ➡ that we KeepHis Commandments. And <&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&> ➡ His Commandments ➡ Are NOT Burdensome,





Philippians 3: 12 Not that I have already ////// obtained /////// all this, or have already been made PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that For Which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and s t r a i n i n g 🏋🏃 ➡ toward what is ahead, ➡ 14 I press on ➡ toward the ➡ goalto win 🎶🎉 the prize 🎖🎆 of God’s heavenly Calling in Christ Jesus.



⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆


15All of us who are mature should embrace this point of view. And if you think differently about some issue, God will reveal this to you as well. 16Nevertheless, we must live up to what we have already ////// attained ////// .


shalom
Nice post. Blesses me! Thanks
 
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I don’t know how to say it more plainly so I’ll put it in bold. I wrote it but you couldn’t understand.

NO ONE CAN PLUCK A BELIEVER OUT OF JESUS’ HAND!!!!

Will you please stop saying I deny this!!!! How many times do I hand to write it before you stop???


Any believer can turn back. That’s not being plucked. That’s turning back. Do you know the difference between being plucked and changing YOUR mind?

If the site is OSAS only I’m sorry I didn’t know. Should be in the title if it is. “Only one theology allowed” or something similar.



ONLY A BORN AGAIN WILL SEE HEAVEN????...now you try and deny those words from JESUS?

Do you get it now........read the above over and over....until it register.

Don’t you dare deny the word of God!!.......twisting born again to the word faith!!!
 
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amen, and there is no more sacrifice ;)
Is asking to be forgiven something you haven’t thought about? Don’t you ask people to forgive you or have your family members each given each other forgiveness for all future hurts and selfishness to save time? Does this improve relationships knowing you can behave as you will and all is already forgiven? Should the government consider all future crimes forgiven to save legal costs?
 
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ONLY A BORN AGAIN WILL SEE HEAVEN????...now you try and deny those words from JESUS?
Please quote Jesus saying “only a born again believer will see heaven” so I can see what your reference is. Just do a search.
Do you get it now........read the above over and over....until it register.
I want Jesus’ words not yours.
Don’t you dare deny the word of God!!.......twisting born again to the word faith!!!
Im asking for the Words of GOD.
 
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Is asking to be forgiven something you haven’t thought about? Don’t you ask people to forgive you or have your family members each given each other forgiveness for all future hurts and selfishness to save time? Does this improve relationships knowing you can behave as you will and all is already forgiven? Should the government consider all future crimes forgiven to save legal costs?


Once again,you twist what Born again stand for.

Saying we can behave as we please.....NO WE CANT......you have a smear campaign against OSAS and it needs to stop!!

You are accusing the brethren,making false accusations....I pray that God silence you very soon....in Jesus Name....AMEN!!.
 
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Please quote Jesus saying “only a born again believer will see heaven” so I can see what your reference is. Just do a search.
I want Jesus’ words not yours.Im asking for the Words of GOD.


Jesus words about born again are scriptural....I have provided scripture to you.......??.....only a born again will see heaven......do you deny that??
 
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The scripture gives reason why people leave the faith and are lost. None of them are because of being plucked out. None. What OSAS refuses to admit are the verses that describe believers CHANGING THEIR MINDS. Please stop accusing me of denying that no one can pluck someone out. I have no hope you’ll admit one can change their minds because of the reasons Jesus gave.
Your assertions are so baseless and contrary to scripture.

Nowhere does scripture speak of unjustifying a person.

One cannot cause themselves to re-incur a debt that has been paid in full.....

One cannot cause themselves to be guilty after being declared innocent.

Do you even understand the Gospel and what scripture teaches?

What you are arguing is preposterous.
 
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Please quote Jesus saying “only a born again believer will see heaven” so I can see what your reference is. Just do a search.
I want Jesus’ words not yours.Im asking for the Words of GOD.
I would like you to provide the words of God that state He unjustifies the born again believer.

The gifts and call of God are irrevocable.
 
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Totally wrong. I rest my case after this blatant piece of evidence. None of you can express what I believe in words. I can express yours in such an unbiased manner you’d think I believe it. You cannot do the same.
You are assumptions are without evidence.

How many posts have you made now has even one been of any substance?

Most of them inflammatory by the way.

Whether what you believe is simple or complex is meaningless...it does not make your dogma scriptural.
 

stonesoffire

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no, i don't know that they are completely wrong... but it is rather confusing to read at times. people seem to be treating Dorothy in ways that do not sound good and yet also accusing her of the same. :unsure::confused:
Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.

Good things actually to happen since the results causes one to look for help.
 

stonesoffire

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I know more than those believers about it because I look at the fruit whereas those adherents only see the individual scripture they like (ignoring the others) and church startements. Original and thoughts are rare.

For example, the idea that Jesus taught that a man CAN FALL AWAY or walk away not being snatched but leaving on his own doesn’t occur to them. No one can snatch FROM THE OUTSIDE OF YOU but you can still CHOOSE TO LEAVE is not tolerated.
Psa 139:5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.

Psa 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Psa 139:9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

Psa 139:10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

Psa 139:11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.

Psa 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

Psa 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

Psa 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Psa 139:17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
 

stonesoffire

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That’s the term Jesus used. To fall away from the faith means one was a true born again believer who gave up their faith for reasons He said happen and separated them selves from faith making them no longer a believer.
can you please post where Jesus said this?
 

stonesoffire

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I do not have a warped view of the Gospel and once saved always saved states it perfectly well.

And you sir should go back and read my before you accuse me of having a warped view of salvation.

My point was if salvation is not secure then "works" are not from His righteousness but our own to maintain/sustain salvation.
That wasn’t written to you EH. Go back to his original post.
 

stonesoffire

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Here is exactly what you said: "Outside of OSAS you can do NOTHING for Jesus ... you are still trying to keep/maintain salvation.... Jesus does not like that btw."

Had you worded this differently that would have been fine. But to say that "you can do NOTHING for Jesus" is indeed a warped view of salvation.

There are two separate issues which are being unnecessarily mixed up: (1) service to Christ after salvation (which is doing SOMETHING for Jesus) and (2) trying to maintain our salvation (presumably through good works), which is not possible since we are "kept by the power of God", and are eternally secure in Christ. Christians are appointed unto good works because they are saved by grace.

The best way to show that Christians are indeed REQUIRED to do something for Jesus is to examine the Parable of the Talents (see also Luke 19:12-26 where the Lord appoints His faithful servants to be rulers over cities in His coming Kingdom).

MATTHEW 25: SERVICE FOR CHRIST IS A NECESSITY
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country,who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, therethou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
boy, was I wrong...apologies to all.


Question...is this not our Lord, under law, speaking to His brethren before Pentecost? Does this not make a difference in our understanding? The church, Spirit filled believers haven not yet been birthed. So works were of law. Making oneself good in the eyes of God by “sweat”. Yet never enough.

Now, works being of Holy Spirit. Energized by Him. In His power. Freed from doing to being.