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Says the man who expresses fear when instructed on true science. Logic is not one of your strong points either, I perceive?
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Don't let me get you mad. I am not upset with you. I just think your posts sound like you are willing to believe anything proposed by a crazy idea but not believe that you can identify the virus, observe it under an electron microscope, or understand how it infects a human cell, how the body reacts, such as inflammation of the lungs and know that it is due to the virus infection. There are still things we are learning, but there are definitely things we have learned and why is that so hard for you to accept? It's as if you WANT there to be an evil conspiracy so much that you are willing to make up any number of conspiracies and believe them even if they cannot all be true. The desire to believe in an evil conspiracy at any cost scares me.
 
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Don't let me get you mad. I am not upset with you. I just think your posts sound like you are willing to believe anything proposed by a crazy idea but not believe that you can identify the virus, observe it under an electron microscope, or understand how it infects a human cell, how the body reacts, such as inflammation of the lungs and know that it is due to the virus infection. There are still things we are learning, but there are definitely things we have learned and why is that so hard for you to accept? It's as if you WANT there to be an evil conspiracy so much that you are willing to make up any number of conspiracies and believe them even if they cannot all be true. The desire to believe in an evil conspiracy at any cost scares me.
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Ok. Post the studies where the "virus" has been isolated under electron microscope, and they've injected it into people to obtain the same symptoms, on a statistically significant basis. I'm happy to be wrong, but I guarantee you, no such studies exist. Hence my claim that you are the theorist - I am simply going off science and demonstrated facts.

By the way, I know there are studies about this so-called virus, but none of them addresses the above to prove that there is a virus which causes the symptoms associated with corona. As it wouldn't be hard to provide these proofs, were there indeed a virus that could cause the symptoms of corona, one can readily deduce that no such virus exists.
 
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Scribe said:
Don't let me get you mad. I am not upset with you. I just think your posts sound like you are willing to believe anything proposed by a crazy idea but not believe that you can identify the virus, observe it under an electron microscope, or understand how it infects a human cell, how the body reacts, such as inflammation of the lungs and know that it is due to the virus infection. There are still things we are learning, but there are definitely things we have learned and why is that so hard for you to accept? It's as if you WANT there to be an evil conspiracy so much that you are willing to make up any number of conspiracies and believe them even if they cannot all be true. The desire to believe in an evil conspiracy at any cost scares me.
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No body is angry, do you know how 5g radiation also affects the lungs ?
 
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Y'all reject science.
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Do you think people reject the observations (both biased and unbiased) by scientists? Or, the manipulation of The Almighty’s creation, using technology to profit on creating greater comfort and convienience, while “playing god”?
 
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Hungry said:
Do you think people reject the observations (both biased and unbiased) by scientists? Or, the manipulation of The Almighty’s creation, using technology to profit on creating greater comfort and convienience, while “playing god”?
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Do you drive a car?

So eradicating small pox is playing God?
 
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The spike is completely meaningless.

The virus has lost what supposed virulence it had. Even the elderly are now getting it and recovering just fine.

As if you had a bad cold or light flu. So to reiterate, the spike doesn’t matter. It’s always been, from the beginning, about this evil vaccine, and their plan to kill and control people.

DONT take it!!
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Sure it has, go tell that to the people in Brazil.

The loss is due to viral load .. they have yet to prove the virus is less virulent.

He’s quick to say that he is not basing his views on lab-confirmed findings; his statements are based on his own interactions with patients and his conversations with other doctors. “The clinical impression here is that the virus is different,” he says. “Is this because the virus lost some viral potency? Or because the viral load or total count of the virus is lower? I don’t know.”

Seems like he is doing some back peddling when confronted by other scientists.

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Do you drive a car?

So eradicating small pox is playing God?
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If God desired us to be immune to small pox, we would have been. We are designed to die if unfit to live. It’s not my plan. Take it up with the Logos. I think the design of the automobile has created more problems then it solved.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Sure it has, go tell that to the people in Brazil.

The loss is due to viral load .. they have yet to prove the virus is less virulent.

He’s quick to say that he is not basing his views on lab-confirmed findings; his statements are based on his own interactions with patients and his conversations with other doctors. “The clinical impression here is that the virus is different,” he says. “Is this because the virus lost some viral potency? Or because the viral load or total count of the virus is lower? I don’t know.”

Seems like he is doing some back peddling when confronted by other scientists.

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Just stop 11. It's ok to admit you were utterly wrong all along. It's a good thing, it stops the rooting for the virus.
 
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PennEd said:
Just stop 11. It's ok to admit you were utterly wrong all along. It's a good thing, it stops the rooting for the virus.
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I have been completely right.

Do you know what viral load is ...rather than the the ad hominems why do not discuss the actual facts?

The virus is weaker in Italy because of the efforts they have put on place....they thrive on tourism btw.

Study Brazil and also why is Florida seeing numbers go up while Canada goes down.

No scientist at this point on the process can make a definitive statement that the virus is becoming less virulent.

While yes viruses do become less virulent over time there is no evidence we are there yet.

You know it would be best if you followed unbias sources.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I have been completely right.

Do you know what viral load is ...rather than the the ad hominems why do not discuss the actual facts?

The virus is weaker in Italy because of the efforts they have put on place....they thrive on tourism btw.

Study Brazil and also why is Florida seeing numbers go up while Canada goes down.

No scientist at this point on the process can make a definitive statement that the virus is becoming less virulent.

While yes viruses do become less virulent over time there is no evidence we are there yet.

You know it would be best if you followed unbias sources.
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Ok 11. Stick with your pride. Carry on.
 
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Ok 11. Stick with your pride. Carry on.
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I have no idea what you mean...all I done is provide unbiased sources...had nothing to do with me personally and you continue with ad hominems.

Not nice.
 
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Scribe said:
You people scare me.
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Jesus made the Scribes and Pharisees fear Him with truth too.

We fully expect many “Christians” to join in the persecution, like the people who followed the Scribes did in His day.
 
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Hungry said:
Do you think people reject the observations (both biased and unbiased) by scientists? Or, the manipulation of The Almighty’s creation, using technology to profit on creating greater comfort and convienience, while “playing god”?
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Science was created by God. It is simply observing creation and recording facts about it. The laws of nature are created by God. There is no contradiction between true science and the Almighty's creation. The immune system can create antibodies when exposed to antigens of a virus (not a live virus itself) and this is the body's own natural immune system working to defeat the virus if exposed later. This is not playing God, it is no different than one who argues that one's immune system can created antibodies by ingesting some kind of vegetable smoothy being hawked by a quake online. They are wrong about it, the juice and vitamins do not cause your immune system to create an antibody to kill COVID but why people would rather believe that it does and think that it is the NATURAL method (even though it is some fake mixed product that does not occur in naturea vaccine is not natural is beyond me.
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Just stop 11. It's ok to admit you were utterly wrong all along. It's a good thing, it stops the rooting for the virus.
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The only ones rooting for the virus are those who advocate orange juice over a vaccine.
 
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PennEd said:
Jesus made the Scribes and Pharisees fear Him with truth too.

We fully expect many “Christians” to join in the persecution, like the people who followed the Scribes did in His day.
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My wife is a pharmd. She has witnessed how the virus is no longer as deadly as it once was. The "spike" is due to lots more testing available. Some have had the virus but were unaware, in fact an RN she worked with tested positive and all she had was some mild symptoms. There are many cases like this. A local plant tested workers here and found a bunch of cases and none were severely symptomatic.

Unfortunately this is a political tool for the Left, for fear mongering, control, panic, accusing, power grab &c. My personal opinion is the Left wants a spike. As you can see many are hoodwinked by the MSM.
 
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preacher4truth said:
My wife is a pharmd. She has witnessed how the virus is no longer as deadly as it once was. The "spike" is due to lots more testing available. Some have had the virus but were unaware, in fact an RN she worked with tested positive and all she had was some mild symptoms. There are many cases like this. A local plant tested workers here and found a bunch of cases and none were severely symptomatic.

Unfortunately this is a political tool for the Left, for fear mongering, control, panic, accusing, power grab &c. My personal opinion is the Left wants a spike. As you can see many are hoodwinked by the MSM.
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Pharmacists have no ability, training or expertise to make such a call.
 
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Scribe said:
Science was created by God. It is simply observing creation and recording facts about it. The laws of nature are created by God. There is no contradiction between true science and the Almighty's creation. The immune system can create antibodies when exposed to antigens of a virus (not a live virus itself) and this is the body's own natural immune system working to defeat the virus if exposed later. This is not playing God, it is no different than one who argues that one's immune system can created antibodies by ingesting some kind of vegetable smoothy being hawked by a quake online. They are wrong about it, the juice and vitamins do not cause your immune system to create an antibody to kill COVID but why people would rather believe that it does and think that it is the NATURAL method (even though it is some fake mixed product that does not occur in naturea vaccine is not natural is beyond me.

The only ones rooting for the virus are those who advocate orange juice over a vaccine.
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You are fighting a losing battle.

The left right paradigm is so entrenched in some people's brains they cannot even look at facts anymore.

The Spanish flu actually was more deadly for those with healthier immune systems... this is complicated stuff but now apparently some Christians prefer a dumbed down view of reality and prefer to misinformed than informed.
 
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