Not By Works

[EleventhHour]

After repenting and believing the gospel, your sins in that moment are taken away.

Then you walk worthy:

Ephesians 4:1-3
[1] I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, [2] With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; [3] Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

2 Thessalonians 1:11
[11] Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power

Matthew 22:14
[14] For many are called, but few are chosen.

And when is thIs goal achieved... what is the benchmark?

Unless you are completely worthy, sinless, and perfect like Jesus you will not be admitted you do understand this?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

I know you prefer to EARN your way..

I prefer the Bible way. You prefer the OSAS way.

.. you deny the full work of Christ Jesus on the cross..

I do not. I stated here many times that I believed the gospel for the remission of my sins. I could not earn this. Now I move on to perfection (Hebrews 6:1). This is the step you’ve been blinded to somehow.

Catholic teaching denies that Christ's sacrificial death was complete and sufficient... so yes you do line up with them.

I do not pray to Marry. I do not use prayer chains (whatever they’re called), I do not bow to the pope. Not sure how you make this connection.

I see a huge disconnect in your dogma.

No, in reality you are disconnected from the scriptures.

 

[BillG]

Most cults have started with a personal revelation and not the Bible which I’ve heard from famous OSAS teachers as they struggled with their doubts. That’s always been a red flag for me. No one comes by OSAS from reading the Bible. A group or person has to tell you. The Bible gives warnings. OSAS smooths all doubts away.

So OSAS is a cult to you?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Unless you are completely worthy, sinless, and perfect like Jesus you will not be admitted you do understand this?

I have been perfected by the blood of Christ (Hebrews 10:14). Now I walk by the Spirit to remain in this perfect condition. By the power of the Spirit. And God is able to prevent me from sinning (Genesis 20:6) if need be.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

You have not believed the Gospel... that is my point..... you have believed something else.

Paid in Full!!

It is you who have not believed the true gospel. You think OSAS is the gospel; what a joke!

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Non of those passages teach sinless perfection they teach becoming mature in Christ which does Not happen overnight

So if you are not found worthy, and are not chosen, what are you worthy and chosen for?

I’ll tell you; like the salt that has lost its flavor, good for nothing and not fit for the kingdom of God. OSAS has caused many to leave the plow and look back.

 

[EleventhHour]

I prefer the Bible way. You prefer the OSAS way.



I do not. I stated here many times that I believed the gospel for the remission of my sins. I could not earn this. Now I move on to perfection (Hebrews 6:1). This is the step you’ve been blinded to somehow.



I do not pray to Marry. I do not use prayer chains (whatever they’re called), I do not bow to the pope. Not sure how you make this connection.



No, in reality you are disconnected from the scriptures.

What does "Paid in Full" "It is Finished" mean?

There is huge significance in the word Jesus spoke from the cross.

Was Jesus lying?

 

[BillG]

The teaching that promises all future sins are forgiven is popular for obvious reasons. One can sin as much as one wants. It’s a “get out of hell” free card that never expires no matter what evil one does. Look at the nasty posts at least sone of those who believe this post! None of their words matters in their theology.

Your assumption is not true.
No genuine beliver will believe they can sin all they want and it's a get out of hell free card, no matter what evil one does.

If that is taught then that is an abomination to the gospel.
Those who have been taught such things and believe it need to be addressed.

I have only ever seen such thoughts twice in my 38 years as a believer.

And I have never ever seen anyone on here promote it either.

If you have then call them out.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

And yes the English Bible is inferior because if that issue

This explains a lot. You have no Bible in your language that can be 100% relied upon.

 

[Magenta]

I have been perfected by the blood of Christ (Hebrews 10:14). Now I walk by the Spirit to remain in this perfect condition. By the power of the Spirit. And God is able to prevent me from sinning (Genesis 20:6) if need be.

Only problem is, you leave off/fail to reference the half of the verse that says you are being sanctified.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

There is huge significance in the word Jesus spoke from the cross.

Is there any significance in what Jesus said here:

Mark 9:43-44
[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: [44] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

 

[Magenta]

Is there any significance in what Jesus said here:

Mark 9:43-44
[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: [44] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

It is significant that you have neither cut off your hands, nor gouged out your eyes.

 

[preacher4truth]

Your assumption is not true.
No genuine beliver will believe they can sin all they want and it's a get out of hell free card, no matter what evil one does.

If that is taught then that is an abomination to the gospel.
Those who have been taught such things and believe it need to be addressed.

I have only ever seen such thoughts twice in my 38 years as a believer.

And I have never ever seen anyone on here promote it either.

If you have then call them out.

Are you sure you want to go there? The proponents of Free Grace Theology teach these things. Once you are saved, no matter what you do afterwards, you're still saved. Zane Hodges, Grace Evangelical Society, Chuck Swindoll, Charles Stanley are all proponents of this. There are several more big name preachers who endorse this theology that came from Dallas Theological Seminary.

Surely there are some on here who teach the same thing, yet they are not going to come out and say it directly, but it is witnessed in what they teach. There was a guy on here recently admitting he lived in adultery and was a drunkard.

One on here assured him it's OK. That is in direct opposition to what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:5 to not be deceived because they, even as professing believers, are deceived.

 

[Magenta]

Are you sure you want to go there? The proponents of Free Grace Theology teach these things. Once you are saved, no matter what you do afterwards, you're still saved. Zane Hodges, Grace Evangelical Society, Chuck Swindoll, Charles Stanley are all proponents of this. There are several more big name preachers who endorse this theology that came from Dallas Theological Seminary.

Surely there are some on here who teach the same thing, yet they are not going to come out and say it directly, but it is witnessed in what they teach. There was a guy on here recently admitting he lived in adultery and was a drunkard. One on here assured him it's OK. That is in direct opposition to what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:5 to not be deceived because they, even as professing believers, are deceived.

Do you then deny the perseverance of the saints?

 

[EleventhHour]

Is there any significance in what Jesus said here:

Mark 9:43-44
[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: [44] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

You are avoiding the question.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

It is significant that you have neither cut off your hands, nor gouged out your eyes.

Because I walk in the Spirit where the offense of sin is not manifested in any of my members.

 

[Magenta]

You are avoiding the question.

Maybe they have decided it was about time they chopped off their typing hand.

Perhaps they will gouge out an eye also while they are at it...

 

[Magenta]

Because I walk in the Spirit where the offense of sin is not manifested in any of my members.

While you deny it is possible for those you oppose... like those pharisees whom Jesus condemned for their attitude.

 

[EleventhHour]

Maybe they have decided it was about time they chopped off their typing hand.

Hilarious!!

 

[preacher4truth]

Because I walk in the Spirit where the offense of sin is not manifested in any of my members.

You forgot the sin of arrogance, and the sin of making God out to be a liar, 1 John 1:10.