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eternally-gratefull

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He doesn’t believe that. Quite a few of you avoid the truth at all cost, don’t you?
He declaired a person who was struggling with a sin could not be saved,

he also loves to side with other people who believe salvation can be lost

put two and two together
 
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EleventhHour

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1. you said god chose you but god rejected others, for he rejected them not even giving them an opportunity to be saved,

in any culture or language, this is declaring you are special while they are not
Those entrenched in the dogma are "special" in light of the fact God does not extend the same grace to others... anyone outside of their dogma sees it plain as day.

But deny they will.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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More ad hominem?

So in order for you to continue your false accusations you avoid Scripture, avoid what I said, avoid the biblical case I gave, then add to what I said? Got it.

Now, what texts did I use wherein I affirm my position? Where in those texts does it show I'm special? Address the texts instead of the ad hominem.

To the contrary in unconditional election, which I adhere to, it teaches the opposite of special. That and we do not know why God chose us other than according to his purpose, counsel and will, Ephesians 1, and we don't know why others are not. None are deserving, none are special.

Now, your belief shows you're special since you teach God chose you because he saw you'd choose him. That's merit, not grace.
Dude we have been here so many times I have lost count

you have not showed me any scripture which changes my view.

again, if you claim you are chosen but the person next to you is not chosen, thus left to die with no hope of ever coming to truth

you claim you are special,


you do not like it, don’t take it out on me, change your view. It gives god a bad name!
 
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He declaired a person who was struggling with a sin could not be saved,
He most definitely did not. Please stop twisting his words.

he also loves to side with other people who believe salvation can be lost
He does not believe in a salvation that can be lost. More lies coming from you.

put two and two together
Okay. 4
 
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You claimed a person who struggled with a sin could not have been saved while he was struggling with sin, is this correct or not?
It's funny how you think I said that, that they couldn't be saved, then twist it into meaning they lost salvation. How could a person you claim I said isn't saved lose salvation? Hmmmm.
 

stonesoffire

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Hmmmm ... a prevenient grace argument.

The old God gave me Libertarian Free Will argument.

Libertarian free will means that our choices are free from the determination or constraints of human nature and free from any predetermination by God. Libertarian freedom is essential for moral responsibility, for if our choice is determined or caused by anything, including our own desires, they reason, it cannot properly be called a free choice. Libertarian freedom is, therefore, the freedom to act contrary to one's nature, predisposition and greatest desires. Responsibility, in this view, always means that one could have done otherwise.
Free means uncaused which contradicts the Law of Causality. (Every effect has a cause)
There are two problems with Libertarian free will.
  1. On the one hand, if we make our choices strictly from a neutral posture, with no prior inclination, then we make choices for no reason. If we have no reason for our choices, if our choices are utterly spontaneous, then our choices have no moral significance. If a choice just happens,--it just pops out, with no rhyme or reason for it—then it cannot be judged good or bad. When God evaluates our choices, he is concerned about our motives. (consider Genesis 50:20)
  2. The second problem this popular view faces is not so much moral as it is rational. If there is no prior inclination, desire, or bent, no prior motivation or reason for a choice, how can a choice even be made? If the will is totally neutral, why would it choose the right or the left? If is something like the problem encountered by Alice in Wonderland when she came to a fork in the road. She did not know which way to turn. She saw the grinning Cheshire cat in the tree. She asked the cat, “Which way should I turn?” The cat replied, “Where are you going?” Alice , “I don’t know.”. “Then,” replied the Cheshire cat, “it doesn’t matter.” .......Consider Alice’s dilemma. Actually she had four options from which to choose. She could have taken the left fork or the right fork. She also could have chosen to return the way she had come. Or she could have stood fixed at the spot of indecision until she died there. For her to take a step in any direction, she would need some motivation or inclination to do so. Without any motivation, any prior inclination, her only real option would be to stand there and perish. Therefore, one must reject the neutral-will (free) theory because it is irrational.
You know Mr. Freddy, if we all just stuck to scripture and put away commentaries, we might agree on something.
 
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Dude we have been here so many times I have lost count

you have not showed me any scripture which changes my view.

again, if you claim you are chosen but the person next to you is not chosen, thus left to die with no hope of ever coming to truth

you claim you are special,


you do not like it, don’t take it out on me, change your view. It gives god a bad name!
Nope, that's not what I believe.

Its hilarious you believe God chose you because you chose him, which is merit, not grace then accuse others of being special. Lol!
 
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EleventhHour

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It's funny how you think I said that, that they couldn't be saved, then twist it into meaning they lost salvation. How could a person you claim I said isn't saved lose salvation? Hmmmm.
He means was not saved.

And yes you did state this quite clear about @Lightskin several times.

You even stated you would bring him to true repentance wanting to meet him sometime.

That means you deny his salvation.

You can ignore me but others are not... and the truth is the truth!!
 
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Dude we have been here so many times I have lost count

you have not showed me any scripture which changes my view.

again, if you claim you are chosen but the person next to you is not chosen, thus left to die with no hope of ever coming to truth

you claim you are special,


you do not like it, don’t take it out on me, change your view. It gives god a bad name!
You’ve taught that God saves ppl because He knew they would be willing to be saved. Fess up, its the right thing to do.
 
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You’ve taught that God saves ppl because He knew they would be willing to be saved. Fess up, its the right thing to do.
Here is what I adhere to:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Paul, writing to believers is warning them to not be deceived, he is warning professing believers to not be deceived, and is warning them. I do the same, I will never teach anyone it is OK, like some on here do.
 
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John15:16

You did not choose me,but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit-fruit that will last.
Then the Father will give you what ever you ask in my name.
This is my command:Love each other.

Read all of John 15.
The vine and the branches.....this scripture really speaks to my heart.
 
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Belief is not mental effort... we cannot force ourselves to believe something we know is untrue.
Hmm ....
According to the Oxford Dictionary, effort is an attempt to do something. When we use ''effort'' it implies that we are trying to accomplish a task or solve a problem.
.... so, it is not you that is thinking of believing so therefore it is not your mind or your effort ... I am confused. Who is doing the believing?
Re: we cannot force ourselves to believe something we know is untrue .... AMEN, and since you were a slave to Satan and No One Seeks God .... God changed your disposition by giving you a new heart and so now you freely want to trust him

As for the rest I have never heard faith as "work" that God does ... but rather a gift.
John 6:29 Jesus replied, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.”
Well someone is doing the WORK ... and this verse says God is doing the work to believe ... and we are not saved by works... so, sounds like an open and shut case.

So I have posed the question to @dcontroversal ..
I have him on IGNORE. When I first came on here I read 3 of his posts. He was .... hmmm ... not the most pleasant personality. I will let @preacher4truth stick handle his input if he is so inclined.



I am not about to fall into your cleverly designed traps.
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"Traps" is a word to make you feel better for it suggests a trick and therefore makes you feel better about your position. I only offer logic and scripture the best I can IMO.
 
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I was into Witchcraft and Paganism. You think while I was being devoted to that and had I died I was still going to go to Heaven?


Do any of you believe while I was giving my all to this ^ that because I once accepted Christ I was still Saved and on my way to Heaven?