Justification has not come about because of anything believers are capable of achieving on their own
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You can make a new thread that asks a specific question, follow by a brief explanation with scripture, with a poll that gives people the option to vote whether they believe they are a new creation in Christ or not. Don't know how many people will vote, but at least it can be quantified easier. Btw, I believe what the Bible says. Though I don't pretend to understand the why and how at all times, it's a matter of faith to trust what the Holy Spirit does.
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Anyhow, it's glaringly apparent you need to go to remedial school, read the bible through a lot, and have some truths taught you. Obviously your prior reading didn't bring you remotely close to the heights of super spirituality you claim and bear witness to yourself as achieving, Mr. Jens.
Anyhow, it's glaringly apparent you need to go to remedial school, read the bible through a lot, and have some truths taught you. Obviously your prior reading didn't bring you remotely close to the heights of super spirituality you claim and bear witness to yourself as achieving, Mr. Jens.
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Coming to whose knowledge of truth?
The two hundred page work you have performed must be looked at .Right from the beginning its easy to see where it is going .The Bible does not create mysteries it reveals them . The idea of you not falling short of the glory of God (not sinning) Is simply one of those wonders or mysteries .
Calling it knowledge of truth a great magical secret of some sort of magical kingdom.
Stephen was full of the Spirit faith and power in the same way as any believer. No ones wonders How your model got there .
You said in your work below...
I hear a lot of building up wonder in those empower by God . But nothing as to His power.
The two hundred page work you have performed must be looked at .Right from the beginning its easy to see where it is going .The Bible does not create mysteries it reveals them . The idea of you not falling short of the glory of God (not sinning) Is simply one of those wonders or mysteries .
Calling it knowledge of truth a great magical secret of some sort of magical kingdom.
Stephen was full of the Spirit faith and power in the same way as any believer. No ones wonders How your model got there .
You said in your work below...
I hear a lot of building up wonder in those empower by God . But nothing as to His power.
We don't read your two hundred page heresy over and over .The first page is enough.
No sin in Him who lives in us. Christ fills us with the work of His faith or called a labor of love.. We will not be held accountable for the wage. noT that we do not deny Him But he cannot deny us ..
Its why its called a imputed righteousness. Looks like you have not done your home work . You need to read the Bible again.
1 John 3. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Again not in us is no sin. that simply makes God a liar.
Starting in 1st John and not John 3 would be a good place to start. Context matters .
1 John 1: 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
No sin in Him who lives in us. Christ fills us with the work of His faith or called a labor of love.. We will not be held accountable for the wage. noT that we do not deny Him But he cannot deny us ..
Its why its called a imputed righteousness. Looks like you have not done your home work . You need to read the Bible again.
1 John 3. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Again not in us is no sin. that simply makes God a liar.
Starting in 1st John and not John 3 would be a good place to start. Context matters .
1 John 1: 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Think about it this way: Let's say you create a car. It's really all about you because the car brings nothing to the table. You can give the car life in that you can make it move. But the car can do nothing. God created us and it's all about him. We (I have to say we because if I say you everyone will yell at me) bring nothing to the table because it's His spirit whereby we move and have our being. The flesh profited nothing. It's really very simple.
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Thought so.
My fellow christians, when a believer tells you they are without sin, ask them if all who observe them agree. Jesus asked those around him which sin they could accuse him of or something similar and none could say anything. They were at that point honest.
The point is not whether others judge you. The point is we are often blind to the wrong we do to others, we are talking real wrong God sees, but the victims of our sin are not blind to it.
Jesus said when you go to present your gift to God and SOMEONE else has something against you, go to them and settle the matter between you. He doesn’t think the wrong you do others but refuse to see is negligible.
Thought so.
My fellow christians, when a believer tells you they are without sin, ask them if all who observe them agree. Jesus asked those around him which sin they could accuse him of or something similar and none could say anything. They were at that point honest.
The point is not whether others judge you. The point is we are often blind to the wrong we do to others, we are talking real wrong God sees, but the victims of our sin are not blind to it.
Jesus said when you go to present your gift to God and SOMEONE else has something against you, go to them and settle the matter between you. He doesn’t think the wrong you do others but refuse to see is negligible.
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You see the issue is your looking at the scriptures with a set mind you only see what your trying to defend. as far as the verse I posted being literal or not is not the issue it is the context. They seem to oppose each other but have the same message, it is not that we don't sin but we seek righteous because we have his seed so in his eyes we do not sin and are clean and righteous but even when we do sin according to the flesh not the spirit we ask for forgiveness.
If you focus on not sinning that will only be a stumbling block the spirit guides and leads us into all righteousness so sinning not sinning that is irrelevant because that was never the focus of salvation or being made clean and righteous it was to be made this way as a new creation bearing his seed made clean and royal kings and priests and in this new identity we walk forwards to seek and expand his kingdom without the stumbling block of sin.
In him sin is taken completely out of the picture not even worth debating if one sins or not because in his eyes we don't but a heart that understands grace may stumble sometimes but our image to him never once changed.
If you focus on not sinning that will only be a stumbling block the spirit guides and leads us into all righteousness so sinning not sinning that is irrelevant because that was never the focus of salvation or being made clean and righteous it was to be made this way as a new creation bearing his seed made clean and royal kings and priests and in this new identity we walk forwards to seek and expand his kingdom without the stumbling block of sin.
In him sin is taken completely out of the picture not even worth debating if one sins or not because in his eyes we don't but a heart that understands grace may stumble sometimes but our image to him never once changed.
And this is another issue as well. You say you don't read the bible anymore you ask why we read the same book over and over and you claim to have graduated from the bible.
This is yet another reason why you are blind to your truth because you think the bible is like any other book but it isn't. It is literally called the word of life meaning it feeds us it gives us life and insight you can read the bible a thousand times and yet still learn something new beecause the bible is not like other books it is holy spirit inspired it is infused with him.
The bible is like an onion or the earths crust it has many layers so just for the record no one ever graduates from the bible it is an ever going learning and life giving book no one could learn all there is in it in a single lifetime.
You seem to think you are in the place of a teacher that you have more insight and understanding than most when it seems you are the one who needs to be taught and are lacking the most.
Reading the bible to you seems like chore or a downgrade from the position you have placed yourself which is honestly sad and I had no idea any believer actually thought like this.
Everything you have posted every verse every theogical view you have inserted has been defeated by others on here who live in his word and his spirit you have yet to be able to override anything that was shown to you and that is because you do not write the word on your heart for if you did then you would know and have understanding.
Even just talking about the bible as you have is blasphemous you need to stop thinking yourself a teacher and learned and take on the heart of a student who knows nothing only in this way can one actually be taught and shown the hidden truths in the word
This is yet another reason why you are blind to your truth because you think the bible is like any other book but it isn't. It is literally called the word of life meaning it feeds us it gives us life and insight you can read the bible a thousand times and yet still learn something new beecause the bible is not like other books it is holy spirit inspired it is infused with him.
The bible is like an onion or the earths crust it has many layers so just for the record no one ever graduates from the bible it is an ever going learning and life giving book no one could learn all there is in it in a single lifetime.
You seem to think you are in the place of a teacher that you have more insight and understanding than most when it seems you are the one who needs to be taught and are lacking the most.
Reading the bible to you seems like chore or a downgrade from the position you have placed yourself which is honestly sad and I had no idea any believer actually thought like this.
Everything you have posted every verse every theogical view you have inserted has been defeated by others on here who live in his word and his spirit you have yet to be able to override anything that was shown to you and that is because you do not write the word on your heart for if you did then you would know and have understanding.
Even just talking about the bible as you have is blasphemous you need to stop thinking yourself a teacher and learned and take on the heart of a student who knows nothing only in this way can one actually be taught and shown the hidden truths in the word
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For the record ... I do not disagree with everything Peterlag has set out. It is true that when we are born again, we are born again of incorruptible seed (1 Peter 1:23) and incorruptible seed is incorruptible seed.
However, the incorruptible seed is housed in an earthen vessel which is corruptible and is easily tempted, drawn away, enticed by the lusts of the flesh. As we mature and grow up spiritually, we are less and less inclined to allow those lusts to draw us away from the Lord Jesus Christ and we enjoy a more full and robust relationship with the Lord.
I have been walking with the Lord for many years and I still do not 100% of the time cast down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ (2 Cor 10:5). And God has made provision for that eventuality (1 John 1:9) because He knows what we go through.
in agreement, Blain.
I love that I can fellowship with other knowledgeable believers and learn and gain/give insight into the Word of God. such a blessing!!!
However, the incorruptible seed is housed in an earthen vessel which is corruptible and is easily tempted, drawn away, enticed by the lusts of the flesh. As we mature and grow up spiritually, we are less and less inclined to allow those lusts to draw us away from the Lord Jesus Christ and we enjoy a more full and robust relationship with the Lord.
I have been walking with the Lord for many years and I still do not 100% of the time cast down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ (2 Cor 10:5). And God has made provision for that eventuality (1 John 1:9) because He knows what we go through.
in agreement, Blain.
I love that I can fellowship with other knowledgeable believers and learn and gain/give insight into the Word of God. such a blessing!!!
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