Jesus Christ was God manifest in the Flesh
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So let me write your Gospel down Zone and feel free to correct me where I err
Anyone who believes the Father(the one true God) existed before all else including Christ is an idolator and not a Christian. It does not matter if you believe Christ was in existence before time as we know it began
Now I am not sure, but would this condemn all oneness Christians? Or do they believe Christ existed in his own right from the begining with the Father? Maybe someone could help me out there. It certainly does condemn many who believe they are Christians and attend churches.
The plain and continuous words of Christ as to what the neccessary belief in him is for a person to receive salvation is not acceptable, it must be added to.
The gifts of the Spirit were done away with when the NT was completed as perfection had come
The angel of the Lord is God Himself
I will leave it there for now Zone, I will comment further as I avidly read more of what you write
Anyone who believes the Father(the one true God) existed before all else including Christ is an idolator and not a Christian. It does not matter if you believe Christ was in existence before time as we know it began
Now I am not sure, but would this condemn all oneness Christians? Or do they believe Christ existed in his own right from the begining with the Father? Maybe someone could help me out there. It certainly does condemn many who believe they are Christians and attend churches.
The plain and continuous words of Christ as to what the neccessary belief in him is for a person to receive salvation is not acceptable, it must be added to.
The gifts of the Spirit were done away with when the NT was completed as perfection had come
The angel of the Lord is God Himself
I will leave it there for now Zone, I will comment further as I avidly read more of what you write
i don't care about "time as we know it". Jesus is either eternally God or He isn't.
- if Christ is a creature and not the Creator (Theos Logos Arche), it is idolatry to worship Him.
- JWs and Mormons aren't Christians.
- Arianism/Polytheism add to and subtract from what Jesus said about Himself.
- the Apostolic Era miraculous gifts ceased exactly as paul said they would with the complete, once for all delivered body of Scripture. charismatics desire to turn back to incomplete and partial, and in so doing have entered into spiritism.
- God has appeared to and revealed Himself to mankind in many ways, all recorded in scripture. Finally in His Son.
- if Christ is a creature and not the Creator (Theos Logos Arche), it is idolatry to worship Him.
- JWs and Mormons aren't Christians.
- Arianism/Polytheism add to and subtract from what Jesus said about Himself.
- the Apostolic Era miraculous gifts ceased exactly as paul said they would with the complete, once for all delivered body of Scripture. charismatics desire to turn back to incomplete and partial, and in so doing have entered into spiritism.
- God has appeared to and revealed Himself to mankind in many ways, all recorded in scripture. Finally in His Son.
...me too!
Sorry but I have been getting confused here. I know I am not the brightest of people
but if the angel of the Lord is God Himself, Christ was raised above the angelsDoes this mean that Christ was raised above God Himself?
But how could he be, you said the Father and son are equal
And if Christ is the angel of the Lord, weren't angels created beings?
You said anyone who believed Christ was created was an idolator and could not be saved
And if God himself is the angel of the Lord does this mean He was created too?
And if Christ and his Father are angels of the Lord then how can either of them be God?
And does this mean that the angel of the Lord sent the angel of the Lord to die for our sins?
Could you explain please
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If you read, the Angel of the Lord reply as ....." And the Lord says...." and it is captal i think
in Genesis also
Notice it doesn't name the two other angels around Abrahams time but the third was the angel of the Lord
He is not named, but this is known that it could be the preincarnation of Christ
it is a guess
in Genesis also
Notice it doesn't name the two other angels around Abrahams time but the third was the angel of the Lord
He is not named, but this is known that it could be the preincarnation of Christ
it is a guess
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I will go ahead and be on record as saying sorry but you are outside the Christian faith what you believe is in no way shape or form what the church has believed or taught nor is it in any way scriptual..you misread the scriptures.You couldnt be more wrong.. Catholic Orthodox and Protestant churches would reject your doctrine outright..you are 100% outside of Christianity..
I take it you are refering to me.
I believe Christ is the only begotten son of the one true God. He died for our sins on the cross and if we repent of our sin and ask him into our lives as Lord and saviour we are saved
Now, I don't know what denomination you are but could you give me a link to a sermon in one of the mainstream churches in the US where it is clearly stated that if a person believes Christ is the son of God but not God himself he can have no eternal life.
Only I asked someone in Britain to find me siuch a sermon from his denomination and he hasn't managed to find one yet
So if my belief means I am not a Christian, then siurely the established churches would plainly preach this from the pulpit so the congregations would know clearly what is and what is not acceptable belief to have eternal life
Maybe you agree with another debater that the angel of the Lord is God Himself
If you cannot guide me to such a sermon it either does not say much for your denomination or you are not speaking as your church believes
Please do not apologise to me. One day you will stand before Christ and he will ask you why you said I was not saved for believing what he said was the condition of belief to have eternal life
I believe Christ is the only begotten son of the one true God. He died for our sins on the cross and if we repent of our sin and ask him into our lives as Lord and saviour we are saved
Now, I don't know what denomination you are but could you give me a link to a sermon in one of the mainstream churches in the US where it is clearly stated that if a person believes Christ is the son of God but not God himself he can have no eternal life.
Only I asked someone in Britain to find me siuch a sermon from his denomination and he hasn't managed to find one yet
So if my belief means I am not a Christian, then siurely the established churches would plainly preach this from the pulpit so the congregations would know clearly what is and what is not acceptable belief to have eternal life
Maybe you agree with another debater that the angel of the Lord is God Himself
If you cannot guide me to such a sermon it either does not say much for your denomination or you are not speaking as your church believes
Please do not apologise to me. One day you will stand before Christ and he will ask you why you said I was not saved for believing what he said was the condition of belief to have eternal life
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i dont need to provide you a link to a modern day sermon it is what has been taught and believed since Jesus walked the earth Scriptures The Apostles and early Church fathers who studied under the apostles..You deny the deity of Christ that is not Christianity.. I doubt you belong to any affiliation to Catholic Orthodox or Protestant churches they would reject your doctrine outright as Heretica..so no there is no need for me to wait till i meet the Lord to understand that you are outside the faith..You can be right in every aspect of doctrine yet miss the central theme about who Jesus is and be lost to all eternity..your welcome to believe Jesus si a created being but it is not Christian belief..If you reject the deity of Christ you are in no way shape or form a Christian nor saved..that is biblical fact..
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staement of faith for Baptists..
There is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. To Him we owe the highest love, reverence, and obedience. The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin. He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His substitutionary death on the cross He made provision for the redemption of men from sin. He was raised from the dead with a glorified body and appeared to His disciples as the person who was with them before His crucifixion. He ascended into heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God where He is the One Mediator, fully God, fully man, in whose Person is effected the reconciliation between God and man. He will return in power and glory to judge the world and to consummate His redemptive mission. He now dwells in all believers as the living and ever present Lord.
there a modern day statement of faith------
There is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. To Him we owe the highest love, reverence, and obedience. The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin. He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His substitutionary death on the cross He made provision for the redemption of men from sin. He was raised from the dead with a glorified body and appeared to His disciples as the person who was with them before His crucifixion. He ascended into heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God where He is the One Mediator, fully God, fully man, in whose Person is effected the reconciliation between God and man. He will return in power and glory to judge the world and to consummate His redemptive mission. He now dwells in all believers as the living and ever present Lord.
there a modern day statement of faith------