First Word of Jesus was repent
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I'd say Old Testament. "Let there be light..."
John 1:1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
My first post was funning with you all. Sort of a means of breaking the ice that may grow rather thick with seriousness and conflict over the question?
Doesn't mean I don't take the Bible seriously.
John 1:1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
My first post was funning with you all. Sort of a means of breaking the ice that may grow rather thick with seriousness and conflict over the question?
Doesn't mean I don't take the Bible seriously.
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“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and give birth to a son, and they shall call him Emmanuel,“ which is translated “God is with us.” (Mounce)
The name Emmanuel is symbolic. What does it symbolize? It symbolizes that in the conceived person’s life God has intervened to save his people.
What happens when a person is conceived? Life begins for that person.
The name Emmanuel is symbolic. What does it symbolize? It symbolizes that in the conceived person’s life God has intervened to save his people.
What happens when a person is conceived? Life begins for that person.
This entire post's purpose in my mind was to start a discussion on repentance. It has taken off in an entirely new direction. I wonder if it is because posters are avoiding speaking of repentance or that God is working among us to discuss what is important for us now? Certainly, the question asked didn't make it's purpose clear. I wonder how important it is that Matthew said the first messages Christ had for us was to repent?
Actually, Bruce doesn't agree with either of us:
On "today I have begotten you". He wrote "It refers to the day on which God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power and called him to his messianic mission".
(Bruce F.F. The Book of Acts, Revised Edition. The New International Commentary of the New Testament. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1988)
But the rest of the NT does support this idea that the begottoness of Jesus is connected to His resurrection. Consider Hebrews 5:5.
"So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but God said to Him,
“YOU ARE MY SON,
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”
He was glorified by the Father at His resurrection, not His incarnation.
"Jesus was not yet glorified" (John 7)
"So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken" (John 2)
"when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written of Him, and that they had done these things to Him"
(John 12)
Because it makes it more readable in our language. Translators will often add things in addition to translated words/phrases for the sake of readability. This is not a problem as long as the meaning doesn't change. Most of the time this can be done successfully.
This is one reason I learned Greek, so these things wouldn't remain ambiguous in my understanding. One of the main reasons people differ doctrinally... is because of misunderstandings of the language and assuming an allegorical view of Scripture.
Are you saying that the second Person of the trinity was created? What about the divinity of Jesus?
On "today I have begotten you". He wrote "It refers to the day on which God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power and called him to his messianic mission".
(Bruce F.F. The Book of Acts, Revised Edition. The New International Commentary of the New Testament. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1988)
But the rest of the NT does support this idea that the begottoness of Jesus is connected to His resurrection. Consider Hebrews 5:5.
"So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but God said to Him,
“YOU ARE MY SON,
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”
He was glorified by the Father at His resurrection, not His incarnation.
"Jesus was not yet glorified" (John 7)
"So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken" (John 2)
"when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written of Him, and that they had done these things to Him"
(John 12)
Because it makes it more readable in our language. Translators will often add things in addition to translated words/phrases for the sake of readability. This is not a problem as long as the meaning doesn't change. Most of the time this can be done successfully.
This is one reason I learned Greek, so these things wouldn't remain ambiguous in my understanding. One of the main reasons people differ doctrinally... is because of misunderstandings of the language and assuming an allegorical view of Scripture.
Are you saying that the second Person of the trinity was created? What about the divinity of Jesus?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. In it was life, and the life was the light of men. And that life shine through in the darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.”
John 1:1-5, Geneva Bible
John 1:1-5, Geneva Bible
the purpose of this thread started by you is the same purpose of every thread stared by you- to push the judeaizing lie that gentile Christians have to keep the Law and the Sabbath to be saved.
what is so sad to me is i think you are good person and you truly love the Lord and His Son.
but, you have bought into and continue to spread the vicious lie that the Law and Sabbath are to be kept for salvation.
hopefully, one day you will see this.
what is so sad to me is i think you are good person and you truly love the Lord and His Son.
but, you have bought into and continue to spread the vicious lie that the Law and Sabbath are to be kept for salvation.
hopefully, one day you will see this.
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No. My Jesus is a “he”.
Your question illustrates what I said in an earlier post in this thread about connotation. “It” doesn’t sound like John is speaking about a person being with God. “He” sounds like John is speaking about a person being with God. (See the post by Diakonos in this thread on personification.)
John isn’t speaking about Jesus in the prologue of his Gospel. He is speaking about the Father.
Yes, but not in the prologue. You’re reading Jesus into the prologue.
Your question illustrates what I said in an earlier post in this thread about connotation. “It” doesn’t sound like John is speaking about a person being with God. “He” sounds like John is speaking about a person being with God. (See the post by Diakonos in this thread on personification.)
John isn’t speaking about Jesus in the prologue of his Gospel. He is speaking about the Father.
Yes, but not in the prologue. You’re reading Jesus into the prologue.
LOL. The very second sentence says, He was with God in the beginning. "He" is referring to the Word. Unless you want to try to tell me that it means to say that God was with God in the beginning? Yeah, not buying it. The Word is Jesus, Who is God, and Who took on flesh, just like the text plainly states.
An eternal person is a person who has always existed. A conceived person is a person who is brought into existence.
It’s complete nonsense to say that the second person of the Trinity was brought into existence.
It’s common sense to say that a human person was brought into existence.
Is Jesus a human person?
It’s complete nonsense to say that the second person of the Trinity was brought into existence.
It’s common sense to say that a human person was brought into existence.
Is Jesus a human person?
In trinitarianism, Jesus is not a human person.
https://www.ncregister.com/blog/steven-greydanus/is-jesus-a-human-person
Matthew and Luke are speaking about the conception of a person in the birth narratives. They aren’t speaking about the conception of the second person of the Trinity.
https://www.ncregister.com/blog/steven-greydanus/is-jesus-a-human-person
Matthew and Luke are speaking about the conception of a person in the birth narratives. They aren’t speaking about the conception of the second person of the Trinity.
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