The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

[Phoneman-777]

You have Jesus coming back, and Satan being loosed after 1,000 just as dispensationalism teaches?

Jesus returns to rapture the saints at His glorious cataclysmic 2nd Coming (no secret rapture), at which time the wicked everywhere drop dead “with the brightness of His coming. Then, the saints go “to a place prepared for” us for 1,000 years where we review the Judgment books of the wicked and confirm that “just and true are Thy ways” while Satan and the demons are trapped on a desolate destroyed Earth awaiting the end of the 1,000 years. Then, New Jerusalem descends with the “sheep on My right hand” inside the city while the wicked goats are resurrected “on the left” separated by the city walls - they get cast into the Lake of Fire after they confess their guilt and then the cleansing fire burns up the entire Earth and all traces of sin, after which Jesus creates New Heaven/Earth.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Josephus is not a source of faith and there were no more signs as wonders that needed to be fulfilled .Prophecy ended with John.

Paul says the church is to “come behind in no gift waiting for the coming of the Lord” - one of the gifts to the church is that of prophecy.

Also, the church that Jesus returns to take home is the “remnant church” which means the “last” church and Revelation 12:17 says that church (a woman in prophecy represents a church - Jeremiah 6:2; Isaiah 51:16) has the “testimony of Jesus Christ” which is “the Spirit of Prophecy” according to Revelation 12:17.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus returns to rapture the saints at His glorious cataclysmic 2nd Coming (no secret rapture), at which time the wicked everywhere drop dead “with the brightness of His coming. Then, the saints go “to a place prepared for” us for 1,000 years where we review the Judgment books of the wicked and confirm that “just and true are Thy ways” while Satan and the demons are trapped on a desolate destroyed Earth awaiting the end of the 1,000 years. Then, New Jerusalem descends with the “sheep on My right hand” inside the city while the wicked goats are resurrected “on the left” separated by the city walls - they get cast into the Lake of Fire after they confess their guilt and then the cleansing fire burns up the entire Earth and all traces of sin, after which Jesus creates New Heaven/Earth.

Thanks for your detailed response concerning your belief.

I strongly disagree

At the second coming you gave the wicked dropping dead hanging out on a desolate earth, while the church in heaven is reviewing their future judgement after 1,000 years.

Sounds like the 7th day Adventist (Soul Sleep) and the Ellen G. White (Investigative Judgement)

I believe Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement immediately after the future tribulation, as the righteous living are caught up, and all that are in the Graves are resurrected, as this existing heaven and Earth are dissolved by the Lord's fire, as the righteous enter the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, the wicked are judged to the Lake of fire, judgement complete (Eternity Begins)

There is "ONE" future resurrection and final judgement of "ALL", death and hell will deliver up "ONCE", the book of life will be opened up "ONCE", death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire "ONCE"

The resurrection of "ALL" takes place on the Last Day

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

"ALL" that are in the Graves!

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The last day resurrection and final judgement!

Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Phoneman-777]

It is the end of the AGE, not the WORLD.

Look at the literal translation.

3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?'

No wonder you have everything wrong.

When Jesus comes, it is the end of this world as we know it - Peter says when Jesus comes as a thief in the night, everything will burn up and there won’t even be an atmosphere in which planes continue to fly, water in which ships voyage, or buildings in which people dwell. It won’t sustain life for 7 minutes, let alone 7 more years, right?

 

[PlainWord]

I disagree, please provide scripture to support your claims, waiting?

John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

After Christ arose from the dead He walked on earth another 40 days. Then He went away and the Helper came 10 days later at Pentecost.

 

[Truth7t7]

The past Man of Sin (Titus) already did this. The timing of Daniel's 70 weeks takes you into the first century AD. It does NOT take you to 2020.

Titus wasn't the (Man Of Sin) as you falsely claim above, he died in 81AD of a fever.

Jesus Christ didn't return and destroy Titus with the brightness of his coming in 81AD, a fairy tale!

Wikipedia:Titus

Titus (/ˈtaɪtəs/ TY-təs; in full: Titus Caesar Vespasianus; 30 December 39 – 13 September 81 AD) was Roman emperor from 79 to 81. A member of the Flavian dynasty, Titus succeeded his father Vespasian upon his death.

Death

At the closing of the games, Titus officially dedicated the amphitheatre and the baths, which was to be his final recorded act as Emperor.[70] He set out for the Sabine territories but fell ill at the first posting station[77] where he died of a fever, reportedly in the same farm-house as his father.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-9KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,[/QUOTE]

 

[KJV1611]

Titus wasn't the (Man Of Sin) as you falsely claim above, he died in 81AD of a fever.

Jesus Christ didn't return and destroy Titus with the brightness of his coming in 81AD, a fairy tale!

Wikipedia:Titus

Titus (/ˈtaɪtəs/ TY-təs; in full: Titus Caesar Vespasianus; 30 December 39 – 13 September 81 AD) was Roman emperor from 79 to 81. A member of the Flavian dynasty, Titus succeeded his father Vespasian upon his death.

Death

At the closing of the games, Titus officially dedicated the amphitheatre and the baths, which was to be his final recorded act as Emperor.[70] He set out for the Sabine territories but fell ill at the first posting station[77] where he died of a fever, reportedly in the same farm-house as his father.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-9KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

The man of sin sits in the temple of God. People are the temple of God. How do you explain this?

 

[PlainWord]

When Jesus comes, it is the end of this world as we know it - Peter says when Jesus comes as a thief in the night, everything will burn up and there won’t even be an atmosphere in which planes continue to fly, water in which ships voyage, or buildings in which people dwell. It won’t sustain life for 7 minutes, let alone 7 more years, right?

Oh no, not another person with little to no knowledge of OT prophetic symbolism.

1. Jesus returned around 66-70 AD and we are still here.
2. Peter's reference to "earth" in that passage from 2 Pet 3 refers to the Land of Israel. The "works" was the temple. Thus Israel, Jerusalem and its temple were burned up with fervent heat.

Peter's contemporary, Josephus, uses the same term "works" to describe the temple in War of the Jews.

8. Now although any one would justly lament the destruction of such a work as this was, since it was the most admirable of all the works that we have seen or heard of, both for its curious structure and its magnitude, and also for the vast wealth bestowed upon it, as well as for the glorious reputation it had for its holiness; yet might such a one comfort himself with this thought, that it was fate that decreed it so to be, which is inevitable, both as to living creatures, and as to works and places also...

 

[Truth7t7]

The man of sin sits in the temple of God. People are the temple of God. How do you explain this?

Jesus Christ in the future will return in the heavens, why do you deny this?

In the future the resurrection and glorified body will be received by the believer, why do you deny this?

In the future this existing Heaven and Earth will be destroyed by fire, and the New Creation in the New Heaven, Earth, and Jerusalem will be revealed for eternity, why do you deny this?

 

[Truth7t7]

Oh no, not another person with little to no knowledge of OT prophetic symbolism.

1. Jesus returned around 66-70 AD and we are still here.
2. Peter's reference to "earth" in that passage from 2 Pet 3 refers to the Land of Israel. The "works" was the temple. Thus Israel, Jerusalem and its temple were burned up with fervent heat.

Peter's contemporary, Josephus, uses the same term "works" to describe the temple in War of the Jews.

8. Now although any one would justly lament the destruction of such a work as this was, since it was the most admirable of all the works that we have seen or heard of, both for its curious structure and its magnitude, and also for the vast wealth bestowed upon it, as well as for the glorious reputation it had for its holiness; yet might such a one comfort himself with this thought, that it was fate that decreed it so to be, which is inevitable, both as to living creatures, and as to works and places also...

Josephus was a 4 time married adulterous Jewish traitor, who turned against his Jewish people

He was a propaganda priest for Rome and it's emperor's, rewarded with wives and the emperor's wealth.

You quote Josephus as if he was an anointed Apostle of God, sad!

 

[KJV1611]

Jesus Christ in the future will return in the heavens, why do you deny this?

In the future the resurrection and glorified body will be received by the believer, why do you deny this?

In the future this existing Heaven and Earth will be destroyed by fire, and the New Creation in the New Heaven, Earth, and Jerusalem will be revealed for eternity, why do you deny this?

Let me rephrase the question, maybe you didn't understand it the first time.

The man of sin sits in the temple of God. People are the temple of God. How do you explain this?

 

[PlainWord]

Titus wasn't the (Man Of Sin) as you falsely claim above, he died in 81AD of a fever.

Jesus Christ didn't return and destroy Titus with the brightness of his coming in 81AD, a fairy tale!

Wikipedia:Titus

Titus (/ˈtaɪtəs/ TY-təs; in full: Titus Caesar Vespasianus; 30 December 39 – 13 September 81 AD) was Roman emperor from 79 to 81. A member of the Flavian dynasty, Titus succeeded his father Vespasian upon his death.

Death

At the closing of the games, Titus officially dedicated the amphitheatre and the baths, which was to be his final recorded act as Emperor.[70] He set out for the Sabine territories but fell ill at the first posting station[77] where he died of a fever, reportedly in the same farm-house as his father.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-9KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

[/QUOTE]

I know when Titus died. Titus Flavius Vespasianus is called the man of lawlessness because he permanently put an end to the practice of the Law by destroying the Jewish Temple in A.D. 70 thereby making it impossible to fully follow the customs of the Law of Moses.

How could Titus be the Lawless One if he did not die at the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 you ask? Of all the other possible first-century candidates for the Lawless One–Nero, Simon, John, Eleazar ben Jair, and Eleazar ben Simon–none of these people are known to have died at the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 either. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 never says the Lawless One would die at the coming of Christ in A.D. 70. This verse literally reads, “And then the Lawless One will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will TAKE AWAY with the Breath of His Mouth and DO AWAY WITH by the Splendor of His Coming.” Titus was done away with and taken away in A.D. 70 since he left Jerusalem and returned to Rome immediately after the city fell in A.D. 70.

 

[PlainWord]

Josephus was a 4 time married adulterous Jewish traitor, who turned against his Jewish people, a propaganda priest for Rome and it's emperor's, rewarded with wives and the emperor's wealth.

You quote Josephus as if he was an anointed Apostle of God, sad!

He was the only historian eyewitness. Who would you like me to quote, you? You have admittedly missed the second coming so you would be no good as a witness.

 

[Truth7t7]

I know when Titus died. Titus Flavius Vespasianus is called the man of lawlessness because he permanently put an end to the practice of the Law by destroying the Jewish Temple in A.D. 70 thereby making it impossible to fully follow the customs of the Law of Moses.

How could Titus be the Lawless One if he did not die at the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 you ask? Of all the other possible first-century candidates for the Lawless One–Nero, Simon, John, Eleazar ben Jair, and Eleazar ben Simon–none of these people are known to have died at the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 either. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 never says the Lawless One would die at the coming of Christ in A.D. 70. This verse literally reads, “And then the Lawless One will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will TAKE AWAY with the Breath of His Mouth and DO AWAY WITH by the Splendor of His Coming.” Titus was done away with and taken away in A.D. 70 since he left Jerusalem and returned to Rome immediately after the city fell in A.D. 70.

Your claims are false, bend and twist the truth below.

Titus wasn't the (Man Of Sin) as you falsely claim above, he died in 81AD of a fever.

Jesus Christ didn't return and destroy Titus with the brightness of his coming in 81AD, a fairy tale!

Wikipedia:Titus

Titus (/ˈtaɪtəs/ TY-təs; in full: Titus Caesar Vespasianus; 30 December 39 – 13 September 81 AD) was Roman emperor from 79 to 81. A member of the Flavian dynasty, Titus succeeded his father Vespasian upon his death.

Death

At the closing of the games, Titus officially dedicated the amphitheatre and the baths, which was to be his final recorded act as Emperor.[70] He set out for the Sabine territories but fell ill at the first posting station[77] where he died of a fever, reportedly in the same farm-house as his father.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-9KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

[Truth7t7]

He was the only historian eyewitness. Who would you like me to quote, you? You have admittedly missed the second coming so you would be no good as a witness.

No external sources are needed, God's words stand alone!

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Truth7t7]

Let me rephrase the question, maybe you didn't understand it the first time.

The man of sin sits in the temple of God. People are the temple of God. How do you explain this?

Let me rephrase it again, possibly you didn't understand

Jesus Christ in the future will return in the heavens, why do you deny this?

In the future the resurrection and glorified body will be received by the believer, why do you deny this?

In the future this existing Heaven and Earth will be destroyed by fire, and the New Creation in the New Heaven, Earth, and Jerusalem will be revealed for eternity, why do you deny this?

 

[Truth7t7]

When Jesus comes, it is the end of this world as we know it - Peter says when Jesus comes as a thief in the night, everything will burn up and there won’t even be an atmosphere in which planes continue to fly, water in which ships voyage, or buildings in which people dwell. It won’t sustain life for 7 minutes, let alone 7 more years, right?

100% Correct, when Jesus Christ appears immediately after the tribulation it's the end, fire time!

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

 

[KJV1611]

Let me rephrase it again, possibly you didn't understand

Jesus Christ in the future will return in the heavens, why do you deny this?

In the future the resurrection and glorified body will be received by the believer, why do you deny this?

In the future this existing Heaven and Earth will be destroyed by fire, and the New Creation in the New Heaven, Earth, and Jerusalem will be revealed for eternity, why do you deny this?

Why do you even participate here man, all you do is throw up the same BS every time someone asks you a question that you can't answer. I mean are you an adult? Seriously how old are you?

 

[Truth7t7]

Why do you even participate here man, all you do is throw up the same BS every time someone asks you a question that you can't answer. I mean are you an adult? Seriously how old are you?

The Scribes and Pharisees thought the same of Jesus Christ when he responded with a question to a question

Matthew 15:1-3KJV
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Jesus Christ in the future will return in the heavens, why do you deny this?

In the future the resurrection and glorified body will be received by the believer, why do you deny this?

In the future this existing Heaven and Earth will be destroyed by fire, and the New Creation in the New Heaven, Earth, and Jerusalem will be revealed for eternity, why do you deny this?

 

[PlainWord]

But the resurrection Josephus speaks of was a bodily resurrection wasn't it? I may be wrong on that.

It wasn't Josephus. It was Cassius Duo. No, he said Nero saw phantoms rising up out of the dirt and ascending up in the sky.