OT Prophecies of the Rapture
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The story of Noah...that's why Jesus points us Back to it.
Judgement came after Noah and his family were shut in to the ark by God.
Now Noah possibly heard the preachings of Enoch and believed.
And the Lord found grace in Noah.
By grace we are saved. Noah
Through faith... Abraham
Now Enoch was caught up and did not die personally I believe Enoch was a type of Christ.
I also believe he will return with Elijah (some say Moses) but as far as I have studied Moses died.
But Enoch and Elijah have yet to die the physical death that Paul says is required.
Also the feasts of trumpets as it is called in our Bible but in the Hebrew is the feast of shouting.
Is a very interesting feast to study. No one knows when the starting time for this feast takes place untill the new moon is seen for the first time. When it is seen a shouting takes place to relay the message to start the preparations latter on done with the shofar or trumpet.
Jesus alluding to this as no man knows the day or hour.
Now Jesus being a Galilean in his customs the father would pronounce the day of the wedding which was a year to possibly 2 years from day of engagement.
So hints of the rapture are all through scripture. There are a couple in the Psalms which I need to look up. (Sign of age😏).
So it's not as far fetched as some may think😀😀
Judgement came after Noah and his family were shut in to the ark by God.
Now Noah possibly heard the preachings of Enoch and believed.
And the Lord found grace in Noah.
By grace we are saved. Noah
Through faith... Abraham
Now Enoch was caught up and did not die personally I believe Enoch was a type of Christ.
I also believe he will return with Elijah (some say Moses) but as far as I have studied Moses died.
But Enoch and Elijah have yet to die the physical death that Paul says is required.
Also the feasts of trumpets as it is called in our Bible but in the Hebrew is the feast of shouting.
Is a very interesting feast to study. No one knows when the starting time for this feast takes place untill the new moon is seen for the first time. When it is seen a shouting takes place to relay the message to start the preparations latter on done with the shofar or trumpet.
Jesus alluding to this as no man knows the day or hour.
Now Jesus being a Galilean in his customs the father would pronounce the day of the wedding which was a year to possibly 2 years from day of engagement.
So hints of the rapture are all through scripture. There are a couple in the Psalms which I need to look up. (Sign of age😏).
So it's not as far fetched as some may think😀😀
Especially in the old testament it is like a hidden code it doesn't come out right and say it, but their are implications of it. For instance Isaiah was taken into heaven he never faced death, this is one of those implications of the rapture a true blue follow of God being taken into heaven never seeing death he was there and then wasn't, the word harpazo is usually likened to the rapture but that is in the nt the new testament is much more open about the event but the word harpazo being in the nt doesn't apply here.
The other one I noticed is the story of moses and the freeing of the jews, specifically as a prophetic foreshadowing.
If you see Pharoh as the antichrist the jews as the church moses as the savior and then the plaugues which are very similar to the plagues you see in revelation the blood of a lamb being the mark of belonging to him protecting them from death and then the transaction of going from the lands of egyp where they were opressed to the land of milk and honey the destination.
This can be seen as a foreshadowing of the church the antichrist the tribulation the mark of belonging to the lamb the transaction from this place to a better one.
There are actually plenty in the ot you just have to learn the formula
The other one I noticed is the story of moses and the freeing of the jews, specifically as a prophetic foreshadowing.
If you see Pharoh as the antichrist the jews as the church moses as the savior and then the plaugues which are very similar to the plagues you see in revelation the blood of a lamb being the mark of belonging to him protecting them from death and then the transaction of going from the lands of egyp where they were opressed to the land of milk and honey the destination.
This can be seen as a foreshadowing of the church the antichrist the tribulation the mark of belonging to the lamb the transaction from this place to a better one.
There are actually plenty in the ot you just have to learn the formula
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
The saints would of had to have been caught up to be with Jesus for them to come back with Jesus when He defeats the world, and saves Israel.
Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about:
thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
This is when Jesus fights the world, and the saints come back with Him, so they would of had to been caught up to come back with Jesus, which the saints will have glorified bodies which they are mighty.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
The saints would of had to have been caught up to be with Jesus for them to come back with Jesus when He defeats the world, and saves Israel.
Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about:
thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
This is when Jesus fights the world, and the saints come back with Him, so they would of had to been caught up to come back with Jesus, which the saints will have glorified bodies which they are mighty.
Enoch is a picture of the translation or what you call the rapture for sure. And he and Elijah are the only Old Testament hints of the translation that I know of BUT Enoch's body died. Enoch was translated to paradise just prior to the death of his body and that is the case for all who faith in Christ... Believers in Christ NEVER die.
I do recall your mentioning your viewpoint, which is (in other words) that people [/saints] ROUTINELY *die" (like, every single day since the beginning of time [/creation]) and that this is what is meant (according to you) by "the coming of the Lord" (and related passages)... to which "idea" I say,
"2 Peter 3:4
"Where is the promise of His coming?" they will ask. "Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation."
...people live and then people die*... people live and then people die*... [on and on...]
[*their physical bodies]
Well, I would just tell you to examine the passages speaking of "the Day of Christ" / "Day of our Lord Jesus Christ" [note: 2Th2:2 reads "day of the Lord" (the EARTHLY time-period of [ / beginning with JUDGMENTS], so is DISTINCT from it)] and see what all it is speaking of...
"2 Peter 3:4
"Where is the promise of His coming?" they will ask. "Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation."
...people live and then people die*... people live and then people die*... [on and on...]
[*their physical bodies]
Well, I would just tell you to examine the passages speaking of "the Day of Christ" / "Day of our Lord Jesus Christ" [note: 2Th2:2 reads "day of the Lord" (the EARTHLY time-period of [ / beginning with JUDGMENTS], so is DISTINCT from it)] and see what all it is speaking of...
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^ EDIT (ran out of time to CORRECT): "Well, I would just tell you to examine the passages speaking of "the Day of Christ" / "Day of our Lord Jesus Christ" [note: 2Th2:2 reads "day of the Lord" (the EARTHLY time-period of [ / beginning with] JUDGMENTS, so is DISTINCT from that)] and see what all it is speaking of...
--BEMA seat... reward (or not) for WORK
--crowns awarded "IN THAT DAY" (not the day of his/Paul's DEATH
), 2Tim4:8
--..."Therefore my brothers, beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, in this way stand firm in the Lord, beloved." Phil4:1; "After all, who is our hope, our joy, our crown of boasting, if it is not you yourselves in the presence of our Lord Jesus at His coming "
--BEMA seat... reward (or not) for WORK
--crowns awarded "IN THAT DAY" (not the day of his/Paul's DEATH
), 2Tim4:8--..."Therefore my brothers, beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, in this way stand firm in the Lord, beloved." Phil4:1; "After all, who is our hope, our joy, our crown of boasting, if it is not you yourselves in the presence of our Lord Jesus at His coming "
I don't know if 2 Peter is talking about Jesus coming back from the grave or if it's talking about Jesus coming to get the individual at his death. People back then didn't accept Jesus coming back from the grave as "His coming" just like people of today don't accept it either.
It should be obvious in 2 Thessalonians 2 that our gathering together unto him is talking about our death because the man of sin sits in the temple of God. We are the temple of God and only we ourselves, or God, can sit on that throne.
For non-believers who have not relinquished that seat to God, they will never see the day of Christ. They will die in this earthly body and after that the judgment.
It should be obvious in 2 Thessalonians 2 that our gathering together unto him is talking about our death because the man of sin sits in the temple of God. We are the temple of God and only we ourselves, or God, can sit on that throne.
For non-believers who have not relinquished that seat to God, they will never see the day of Christ. They will die in this earthly body and after that the judgment.
^ EDIT (ran out of time to CORRECT): "Well, I would just tell you to examine the passages speaking of "the Day of Christ" / "Day of our Lord Jesus Christ" [note: 2Th2:2 reads "day of the Lord" (the EARTHLY time-period of [ / beginning with] JUDGMENTS, so is DISTINCT from that)] and see what all it is speaking of...
--BEMA seat... reward (or not) for WORK
--crowns awarded "IN THAT DAY" (not the day of his/Paul's DEATH ), 2Tim4:8
--..."Therefore my brothers, beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, in this way stand firm in the Lord, beloved." Phil4:1; "After all, who is our hope, our joy, our crown of boasting, if it is not you yourselves in the presence of our Lord Jesus at His coming "
--BEMA seat... reward (or not) for WORK
--crowns awarded "IN THAT DAY" (not the day of his/Paul's DEATH
), 2Tim4:8--..."Therefore my brothers, beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, in this way stand firm in the Lord, beloved." Phil4:1; "After all, who is our hope, our joy, our crown of boasting, if it is not you yourselves in the presence of our Lord Jesus at His coming "
Jesus begins a good work in us at salvation, he continues to perform that work in us until when? The day we die. Jesus doesn't have to continue performing"a work" in us while we are in heaven waiting for 2000 years to expire so that we can come to the "The Day of Christ". The day of Christ happens at the death of a believer, that's when the WORK in us is completed.
There is really no point in going beyond that verse because that is the most straight forward, to the point, easiest to understand verse in the bible that makes it crystal clear that the day of Christ is the appearing of Christ just prior to the death of a believer.
You are viewing the verse as though it said, "that he which hath begun a good work in you [singular] will perform it until..."
Here's how I see the text (according to the Grk) [speaking of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (see again Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence])]:
Philippians 1 -
"5 in view of your participation in the gospel from the first day until now. 6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work [SINGULAR] in you [PLURAL, corporate 'you'] will perfect it [SINGULAR] until the day of Christ Jesus. 7 For it is only right for me to feel this way about you all, because I have you in my heart, since both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel, you all are partakers of grace with me. 8 For God is my witness, how I long for you all with the affection of Christ Jesus. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment, 10 so that you may approve [/put to the test, prove, examine; distinguish by testing] the things that are excellent [/that differ], in order to be sincere and blameless until the day of Christ; 11 having been filled with the fruit of righteousness which is through [/by means of] Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God."
You are thinking "you, INDIVIDUALLY" rather than "you, CORPORATELY" (as part of the "ONE BODY" that will be "caught up TOGETHER [at the same time / 'at once'] with [in union with, G4862]" the dead "IN Christ").
Same here:
2Cor11:2 -
"For I [Paul] am jealous as to you [plural, corporate 'you'] with the jealousy of God. For I have betrothed you [plural, corporate 'you'] TO ONE HUSBAND, to present A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR] to Christ."
Here's how I see the text (according to the Grk) [speaking of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (see again Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence])]:
Philippians 1 -
"5 in view of your participation in the gospel from the first day until now. 6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work [SINGULAR] in you [PLURAL, corporate 'you'] will perfect it [SINGULAR] until the day of Christ Jesus. 7 For it is only right for me to feel this way about you all, because I have you in my heart, since both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel, you all are partakers of grace with me. 8 For God is my witness, how I long for you all with the affection of Christ Jesus. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment, 10 so that you may approve [/put to the test, prove, examine; distinguish by testing] the things that are excellent [/that differ], in order to be sincere and blameless until the day of Christ; 11 having been filled with the fruit of righteousness which is through [/by means of] Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God."
You are thinking "you, INDIVIDUALLY" rather than "you, CORPORATELY" (as part of the "ONE BODY" that will be "caught up TOGETHER [at the same time / 'at once'] with [in union with, G4862]" the dead "IN Christ").
Same here:
2Cor11:2 -
"For I [Paul] am jealous as to you [plural, corporate 'you'] with the jealousy of God. For I have betrothed you [plural, corporate 'you'] TO ONE HUSBAND, to present A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR] to Christ."
That is one interpretation but honestly I think the day he comes down is not the rapture.
There seems to be a distinct difference in the rapture and the actual second coming, in the rapture it speaks of us going to him not the other way around, two people are working in a field one is taken the other left, thefinal trumpet is sounded and the dead in Christ rise first and we meet them in the air after.
Also when it speaks of the great and terrible day of the lord it is referenced after the marriage of the lamb and the harpazo in fact the day of the lord is only described as fury and wrath not joy and praise
There seems to be a distinct difference in the rapture and the actual second coming, in the rapture it speaks of us going to him not the other way around, two people are working in a field one is taken the other left, thefinal trumpet is sounded and the dead in Christ rise first and we meet them in the air after.
Also when it speaks of the great and terrible day of the lord it is referenced after the marriage of the lamb and the harpazo in fact the day of the lord is only described as fury and wrath not joy and praise
Enoch was taken up prior to the death of his body. Take a look at this.
(Heb 11:5) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Ok, this verse shows that Enoch was translated to heaven prior to his body dying. Now continue reading that same chapter, and a few verses down, we are told that "all these (Enoch included) died.
(Heb 11:13) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
This is what happens to all believers in Jesus, none of us experience death because just like Enoch, we are taken prior to the death of our bodies.
(Heb 11:5) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Ok, this verse shows that Enoch was translated to heaven prior to his body dying. Now continue reading that same chapter, and a few verses down, we are told that "all these (Enoch included) died.
(Heb 11:13) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
This is what happens to all believers in Jesus, none of us experience death because just like Enoch, we are taken prior to the death of our bodies.
It makes sense except for two things, that first verse talks about him being taken to heaven but I didn't see anything about his body being left behind. And the second one it speaks of them seeing it afar off believing and embracing them that could also imply the faith in the promise. Faith is after all seeing because we believe but it also could mean whaty you say as well. Either way it is an interesting concept I think I saw a movie where a person died but didn't see death, although that person was also suddenly in hell but still
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